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So i have been interested in sacd and dvda. I thought i was gonna have to sell off my denon x4300 for a marantz sr7013 to get analog inputs, then i read about all that over hdmi !

The Oppo103 was first suggested in my readings. What are your thought on the sound of both analog vs hdmi

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Personally, I didn't hear any difference between the two audio transport methods when I had my OPPO BDP-103 connected to a mid-range Onkyo AVR.

But after getting fed up with the Onkyo's over intrusive CEC implementation and having the AVR powered on most of the time, and I decided to ditch it and go back to analogue amplification (well four actually)!

On the plus side, I reckon your Denon X4300H will sound way better with stereo and multi-channel music than my old Onkyo did. So I say keep it, and with audio over HDMI

Sadly, when it comes to disc spinners that support SACD and DVD-A playback, the choice is getting less and less with each passing year....
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Personally, I didn't hear any difference between the two audio transport methods when I had my OPPO BDP-103 connected to a mid-range Onkyo AVR.

On the plus side, I reckon your Denon X4300H will sound way better with stereo and multi-channel music than my old Onkyo did. So I say keep it, and with audio over HDMI [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

Sadly, when it comes to disc spinners that support SACD and DVD-A playback, the choice is getting less and less with each passing year....
Those 103’s hold their value like Honda Civics :0)
Glad to hear the sound is about the same between analog/hdmi

Im also glad i can keep my x4300, it does me well in my system

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I've done back to back comparisons on both my Denon 3930CI & Oppo 203 analog to HDMI or with the Denon analog to Denon Link. There is a difference, but neither myself nor the spouse could settle on one over the other. Based on the source disc, our opinions kept going in circles. In both cases, the one cable connection won out feeding my Denon 4306.

I have a barely used (couple of hours) Blue Jeans 7.1 cable set in the classifieds that I'll let go for 1/2 the price of new if you want to do your own comparison .
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I've done back to back comparisons on both my Denon 3930CI & Oppo 203 analog to HDMI or with the Denon analog to Denon Link. There is a difference, but neither myself nor the spouse could settle on one over the other. Based on the source disc, our opinions kept going in circles. In both cases, the one cable connection won out feeding my Denon 4306.

I have a barely used (couple of hours) Blue Jeans 7.1 cable set in the classifieds that I'll let go for 1/2 the price of new if you want to do your own comparison .
Out of interest... Can your Denon perform onboard DSD decoding or did you set-up the OPPO to pass PCM via HDMI and do the analogue/digital comparison that way?

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I think the Denon 4306 does the DSD decoding (I know it has this capability) in my system. I think the 3930 would as well. Because it is via Denon Link I've always accepted the default outputs. It has been many years since I set the 3930 up. I know the 4306 depicts on the front screen DSD from the 3930, that may be because it recognizes the source. I do have the Oppo set to PCM via HDMI because the 4306 does not decode DTS MA nor DD True HD. It will accept and output a 7.1 PCM signal as I have a 7.1 speaker system. One of my thoughts has been to upgrade to a 4311CI but my 4306 keeps cranking out the tunes & movies. You ask a good question, I'll have to check some day. Thx


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It's a lot easier to engineer a player that does digital out better, but that said, it's unlikely you'd hear a difference regardless.
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So i have been interested in sacd and dvda. I thought i was gonna have to sell off my denon x4300 for a marantz sr7013 to get analog inputs, then i read about all that over hdmi !

The Oppo103 was first suggested in my readings. What are your thought on the sound of both analog vs hdmi
I would suggest HDMI as that gives you the option to use Audyssey room correction. Not sure if you are using Audyssey but would suggest giving it a try. I have an Emotiva XMC-1 with Dirac room correction. Found that when using Dirac the SQ was significantly better than when using the 5/7.1 analog output of an Oppo 105 and 205. When using HDMI the bass management and other speaker settings are handled by the Denon. Normally those settings offer more flexibility than those in the player (103).

Doing a direct comparison of the 103's analog and HDMI outputs with the Denon X4300 the SQ will most likely sound very similar. That is if you use the Pure or Direct setting option with stereo SACDs or DVD-As. It's with multi-channel music or movies with room correction and the advanced speaker settings of the X4300 that HDMI would be more beneficial IMO. I have a 103 and it's an excellent player. Add to that is the ability to rip SACDs.

But if possible try both analog and HDMI and judge for yourself. Even if it's just using the R&L analog output of the 103 to the X4300. That way you would know first hand what sounds and works best in your room. Great to get advice and opinions but best to judge for yourself .

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Is Oppo the only SACD/DVDA player via HDMI ?
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Is Oppo the only SACD/DVDA player via HDMI ?
The 103 seems to hold its value quite well
There's some newish Sony models that do both disc formats (and more). And a couple of very expensive Pioneer models!
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Is Oppo the only SACD/DVDA player via HDMI ?
The 103 seems to hold its value quite well
The 103/105 models have the ability to rip SACD discs to a network PC, something which adds a lot to the value.
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If all you need is a digital transport with HDMI, the older Oppo DVD players are cheap and plentiful on eBay and elsewhere. DV-980, DV-981, DV-983, DV-970, DV-971.
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New or used? If you're fine with used the Oppo 83, 93 and 103 would be great choices. These would give you Blu-ray playback for the many great Blu-ray Audio titles out there.

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Sony UBP-X800 UHD BR player plays SACDs and DVDAs as well as BRs and has HDMI out.
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Sony bdp s5100 will bitstream DSD and you can rip sacds with it. Used for $42 on Amazon
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New or used? If you're fine with used the Oppo 83, 93 and 103 would be great choices. These would give you Blu-ray playback for the many great Blu-ray Audio titles out there.

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My only use of this player is for hdmi sacd and dvda, if those models can do that i would be happy, and i heard the talk of bluray audio maybe.......thoughts ?

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My only use of this player is for hdmi sacd and dvda, if those models can do that i would be happy, and i heard the talk of bluray audio maybe.......thoughts ?
If you are interested in surround music, you'll want Blu Ray capabilities as well. More and more (I'd guess most) surround titles being released today are on Blu Ray. SACD is still pretty popular for stereo releases.

The Oppo 103 or 203 would be good choices here if you can find one used at reasonable prices. The 203 would add 4K capabilities for movie playback.

Personally, I'd go new with one of the Sony's to get that 4K
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The Sony UBP-X800 does both DVDA and SACD. $250 for the newer M2 version.
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OK but can you rip SACDs on it> (That is possible with the BDP-S100.) N.B.: I meant to say 5100.

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Kal, the Sony BDP-S1100 can rip SACDs?
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Looking at the list in the link below the Sony BDP-S1100 is not listed as being able to rip SACDs. Although there appears to be quite a few players that can rip SACDs. Quite a change from a few years ago when only certain Sony Playstation units could rip SACDs.

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Looking at the list in the link below the Sony BDP-S1100 is not listed as being able to rip SACDs. Although there appears to be quite a few players that can rip SACDs. Quite a change from a few years ago when only certain Sony Playstation units could rip SACDs.

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/t...comment-940992

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Thank you Bill. I own the BDP-S790. Now I need to find out if I have the Auto Script version whatever that is.
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Thank you Bill. I own the BDP-S790. Now I need to find out if I have the Auto Script version whatever that is.
My pleasure. I believe the Auto Script mentioned is the latest version that needs to go on the thumb drive. It's not anything related to your Sony. I'm not familiar with all the nuts and bolts of the process. A friend helped me set everything up. Without his help I would have never figured out how to do it. Check out the link below which describes the steps.

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Looking at the list in the link below the Sony BDP-S1100 is not listed as being able to rip SACDs. Although there appears to be quite a few players that can rip SACDs. Quite a change from a few years ago when only certain Sony Playstation units could rip SACDs.

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/t...comment-940992

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Sorry, Guys. That was a typo. I meant to say 5100 and, even then, I am not well versed in Sonys as rippers. My point was that the two devices had different feature sets.

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Thank you Bill. I own the BDP-S790. Now I need to find out if I have the Auto Script version whatever that is.
Thank you and I apologize for wasting your time. Upon future inpection, I own the BDP-S780.
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