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Tidal launches Dolby Atmos Music support for TVs, home speakers, and soundbars!

‘Real’ Atmos support is finally here!

Tidal is vastly expanding its support for Dolby Atmos Music today to include living room set-top boxes, TVs, and speaker systems for subscribers to its $19.99-per-month Tidal HiFi service. Or, depending on how you feel about the mobile version of Atmos, Tidal is launching its first “real” implementation of Dolby Atmos Music today.

Technically, today’s launch marks the second rollout for Atmos on Tidal. The company initially launched the feature back in December for the few Android smartphones and tablets that supported the mobile version of Atmos, but the living room version of the feature (with the far better speaker systems that it offers) will likely offer a much better experience than the mobile one.

YOU’LL NEED ATMOS SPEAKERS, OBVIOUSLY

In order to actually take advantage of the new feature, you’ll need a few pieces of hardware. First and foremost is a Dolby Atmos-compatible speaker setup, be it a soundbar, sound system, or even your TV’s built-in speakers. You’ll also need a streaming device that both supports Atmos sound and has Tidal. Devices that meet those metrics include the Apple TV 4K, Fire TV Stick 4K, Fire TV Cube, Fire TV Stick (second-gen), Fire TV (third-gen), or the 2019 models of the Nvidia Shield

TV or Shield TV Pro. Sony and Philips smart TVs that support Atmos and run Android TV will also work without the need for a set-top box.

Assuming you’ve got all that set up, Tidal will automatically stream the Atmos version of a song or album, assuming there’s one available. Tidal also will label available songs with a “Available in Dolby Atmos” tag, and users can search the phrase “Dolby Atmos” to specifically find compatible tracks. Additionally, Tidal is also curating dedicated “At Home” playlists featuring Atmos tracks.

To celebrate the launch, Tidal is also offering an extended 60-day free trial for new subscribers who are interested in trying out the new Atmos Music for themselves.

You can read about it here: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/2...ound-bars-hifi

https://tidal.com/partners/dolbyatmos

This is great News!! Well Maybe. Read Comments below.
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Indeed: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/112-s...l#post59720314

Sufficed to say... There's no way I would pay $20.00 a month to hear 'up-sampled' Atmos music
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It still does not work. I have a fully ATMOS capable system. Denon 8500h, Apple 4k Tv, Fire Cube 2nd Gen and the Shield Pro new version. On all devices I can stream Dolby Vision & Atmos video content without problems. Try to play any songs in any of the Tidal Atmos playlists and all I ever get it 2 ch PCM. Yes I have the Hi-Fi account level. Very frustrating every time I try.

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It still does not work. I have a fully ATMOS capable system. Denon 8500h, Apple 4k Tv, Fire Cube 2nd Gen and the Shield Pro new version. On all devices I can stream Dolby Vision & Atmos video content without problems. Try to play any songs in any of the Tidal Atmos playlists and all I ever get it 2 ch PCM. Yes I have the Hi-Fi account level. Very frustrating every time I try.
Wow! That's got to be very frustrating!

I could see Atmos not working with the Firestick or Cube as it's been wonky with certain providers when Apple 4KTV and the Shield Pro worked fine.

Maybe try contacting member sdrucker as he has got it to work on Apple TV.

It's post 51 here : https://www.avsforum.com/forum/112-s...l#post59720314
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Same boat for me, Amazon fire tv stick into a marantz av8802a no joy.
tried it on my sony x900F arc in to the marantz no go on that either, although it was said yo need EARC from the tv for it to work, so long as they are using the dolby+ version of atmos and not the full dolby atmos it shouldn't matter.
I also have a ticket in with Tidal
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Same boat for me, Amazon fire tv stick into a marantz av8802a no joy.
tried it on my sony x900F arc in to the marantz no go on that either, although it was said yo need EARC from the tv for it to work, so long as they are using the dolby+ version of atmos and not the full dolby atmos it shouldn't matter.
I also have a ticket in with Tidal
Yep... Currently, Atmos audio from Tidal does not appear to work on the Amazon Fire devices
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When Dolby Atmos music is available on Blu-ray I'll try it. There are plenty of movies with great soundtracks in Atmos...one place to check is https://www.dolby.com/us/en/cinema/t...-releases.html I've never liked streaming and from what I see here, I like Tidal's Atmos audio least of all.
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When Dolby Atmos music is available on Blu-ray I'll try it. There are plenty of movies with great soundtracks in Atmos...one place to check is https://www.dolby.com/us/en/cinema/t...-releases.html I've never liked streaming and from what I see here, I like Tidal's Atmos audio least of all.
There's some pretty good albums released on ATMOS. A few that come to mind:
  • Beatles: Abbey Road
    Kraftwerk: Numbers
    REM: Automatic For The People
    INXS: Kick
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^^^^^Well at least I’m not alone here.^^^^^

Thanks for posting guys!

JJHXBR, Thanks I will reach out to sdrucker and inquire how he got it to work. Might be due to his Trinniov.

According to this article dated May 28th, this ATMOS feature will launch early next will in some type of rollout.
https://9to5mac.com/2020/05/28/tidal...e-tv-included/

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Thanks for posting guys!

JJHXBR, Thanks I will reach out to sdrucker and inquire how he got it to work. Might be due to his Trinniov.

According to this article dated May 28th, this ATMOS feature will launch early next will in some type of rollout.
https://9to5mac.com/2020/05/28/tidal...e-tv-included/
I got it working yesterday through my ATV4K box into my Anthem AVM60. Was not overly impressed with the sound. It sounded very compressed and the sound stage was still very focused on the front with little or no sound coming through the atmos or back channels for that matter.

I used the sound track from A Star Is Born which I also own on Ultra Blue Ray. I have listened to Shallow and I Always Remember You This Way as my evaluation tracks when setting up the system. Big difference between Tidal and the Blue Ray. Canceled membership right away. I have a buddy with a Monolith and he is going to give it a whirl as well. I will be interested in what he hs to say.
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There's some pretty good albums released on ATMOS. A few that come to mind:
  • Beatles: Sgt Pepper
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    INXS: Kick
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Thanks, weekendtoy! I knew someone on here would know if there were any music titles on Atmos Blu-ray. I'll start looking.
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There's also, Beatles - Abbey Road
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Same boat for me, Amazon fire tv stick into a marantz av8802a no joy.
tried it on my sony x900F arc in to the marantz no go on that either, although it was said yo need EARC from the tv for it to work, so long as they are using the dolby+ version of atmos and not the full dolby atmos it shouldn't matter.
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^^^^^Well at least I’m not alone here.^^^^^

Thanks for posting guys!

JJHXBR, Thanks I will reach out to sdrucker and inquire how he got it to work. Might be due to his Trinniov.

According to this article dated May 28th, this ATMOS feature will launch early next will in some type of rollout.
https://9to5mac.com/2020/05/28/tidal...e-tv-included/
Thanks for the feedback. After hearing the above reply's, I'm not going to even try to get this to work since I got a Firestick and Cube. Makes me wish sometimes I had sprung for the pricy Apple 4K TV or Shield Pro. Maybe eventually they will get the Firestick and Cube working.
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Thanks for the feedback. After hearing the above reply's, I'm not going to even try to get this to work since I got a Firestick and Cube. Makes me wish sometimes I had sprung for the pricy Apple 4K TV or Shield Pro. Maybe eventually they will get the Firestick and Cube working.
I tried them all. With zero luck. So the Apple 4k and Shield Pro don’t work either. I’m hoping that the new version of Tital just has not seeded in my area yet? One can hope!

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I tried them all. With zero luck. So the Apple 4k and Shield Pro don’t work either. I’m hoping that the new version of Tital just has not seeded in my area yet? One can hope!
That could be. I have an Apple TV 4K, connected on HDMI to the Trinnov Altitude. I didn't have Tidal on the ATV as an app, but I set up the 60 day Hi Fi trial with my account info and then installed the Tidal App on ATV. I signed in, then got a prompt to verify a code that I was sent to type in on my iPad (also on the same network as the ATV and the Altitude). Once I entered it in the iPad, I got a message that I was Dolby Atmos compatible and off to the races.

Did you try uninstalling then reinstalling Tidal?
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@sdrucker , did you notice any difference in sound? Did the atmos seemed compressed or muffled in any way?
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@sdrucker , did you notice any difference in sound? Did the atmos seemed compressed or muffled in any way?

For what it's worth, the Altitude shows the playback of the Atmos tracks as Atmos/Dolby TrueHD, 48 khz, and 12.8 Mbps. I have the REM disc so I have to do a proper comparison against the BD.

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That could be. I have an Apple TV 4K, connected on HDMI to the Trinnov Altitude. I didn't have Tidal on the ATV as an app, but I set up the 60 day Hi Fi trial with my account info and then installed the Tidal App on ATV. I signed in, then got a prompt to verify a code that I was sent to type in on my iPad (also on the same network as the ATV and the Altitude). Once I entered it in the iPad, I got a message that I was Dolby Atmos compatible and off to the races.

Did you try uninstalling then reinstalling Tidal?
Hi sdrucker,

Thanks for the suggestion. I did delete app and restart then reload the app on each device. I tried it again this morning and it worked on the Apple 4K TV, but did not work on the Fire Cube 2nd Gen or the Shield Pro. But any progress is good and I will take it. So thanks for the suggestion. Appreciate your help here!


Still confused why its not working on the Cube or Shield? I did the delete and reload reboot sequence on each unit 3 times. Kept getting the Message "System does not support Dolby Atmos" Using other apps like Netflix, VUDU Atmos worked every time. Bugs remain for now.

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I tried it again this morning and it worked on the Apple 4K TV, but did not work on the Fire Cube 2nd Gen or the Shield Pro.
Glad to hear you at least got one to work!

So looks like the current score is :

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Hopefully Tidal will get the bugs worked out soon or this may never even get off the ground.

If any brave souls manage to get the Firestick/Cube or Shield running with Tidal Atmos please let us know!
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    REM: Automatic For The People
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    Max Cooper: Emergence
    Booka Shade: Galvany Street
Although it exists and been publicly demo'd, the Atmos version of Sgt Pepper has not been publicly released (which is a damn shame). I own the expensive Sgt Pepper box set with the Blu-ray with DTS-HD MA 5.1 and Dolby True HD 5.1 but no Atmos. I wish they would release the Atmos mix on Blu-ray without having to buy another expensive box set again.

Abbey Road was released in Atmos and sounds great on my system.

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Tried in FireTV 4K and Shield TV Pro and no luck.
Apple TV 4K - Dolby Atmos music is working fine.
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A pattern emerges. Kind of. Only a few data points so far. Score looks to be 4/0/0 in favor of Apple 4kTV.

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I downloaded the ATV 4K Tidal app yesterday and was up and running in less than 5 minutes.

Color me impressed !

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I just downloaded the official app into my Shield TV [2017] linked it via PC no problems, showed my favorites and all that jazz, in fact I had an Atmos compilation playlist saved from earlier since my phone is compatible [Note 10+] Anyway hit play and on the bottom I had a message appeared that said "playing back in stereo, device is not compatible to play Atmos" or something along those line.

Tidal needs to look into this the Shield is the most complete device out there that is able to stream Atmos on any apps it support. And yes I've been a Tidal Hi-Fi subscriber for a year now.
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On a positive note. Did a long listening demo yesterday. Played mostly the Jazz ATMOS playlist, but also played a few selection from other playlists. Some Classical , Pop and the Rock list.

My impressions. Firstly there seems to be a gain issue. Another Words the MV must be set considerably higher when streaming ATMOS versus PCM 2CH. At first I thought this was a obvious result of compression. However, after many hours I came to a different conclusion. The Gain difference seems to be due to a much lower noise floor and vastly wider Frequency range dynamics.

The Music in ATMOS was inspiring, crystal clear and well engineered. The sound stage is very dynamic and instrumental placement enhanced the musical experience. Much like a live Band in a Jazz club, the presentation is superb and transforms your listening experience as to that of being front center row at a live stage performance. I truly enjoyed the immersion and impressive dynamics of the Songs I demoed.

Goosebump inducing. All my listening experiences so far, were using the Apple 4KTV. As @thehun pointed out. Tidal needs to fix the problem with the Shield not working at this platform may present the bet hardware chain to produce the very best sound quality path. That is pure subjecture on my part since there is no way to test my hypothesis.

What Tidal is endeavoring to deliver here is in my mind a Major move to take Atmos Music mainstream and thusly transform the home Music experience as Dolby Atmos has done for the Home Movie experience.

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For what it's worth, the Altitude shows the playback of the Atmos tracks as Atmos/Dolby TrueHD, 48 khz, and 12.8 Mbps.
What? They use True HD? and at that bitrate might as well have a 4k picture streamed too. Something doesn't add up there.

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What? They use True HD? and at that bitrate might as well have a 4k picture streamed too. Something doesn't add up there.
FilmMixer confirmed in the regular Atmos thread that it's DD+, converted and output as PCM by the ATV.
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FilmMixer confirmed in the regular Atmos thread that it's DD+, converted and output as PCM by the ATV.
Yes I know that's what it should be, however not even True HD requires 12.8 MBps streaming bit rates let alone the lossy DD+....

Having said that there can be no conversion as the Atmos metadata would be lost. Atmos has to be decoded by the downstream device not the player, so ATV must stream it unaltered to the receiver/pre/pro/soundbar.
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Have the ATV no luck so far just Dolby Surround
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