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Hey guys, I'm currently using a PB16 for my theater. I'm interested in maybe running a G1 m2 or maybe dual 212se's. How do these compare to the svs as far as infrasonics? I've heard both REL subs in a demo room but I'm sure they'd perform differently in my space. Do these REL's have enough impact for home theater usage or are they more musically oriented? They both definitely sounded more refined than my svs but I'd still want that ultra low rumble. Any thoughts?
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Looking for first subwoofer for 5.1 system, 40% HD TV, 40% HD streaming, and 20% CD music, that is fast and accurate for HT and music. Listen at low to moderate levels in U shaped seating area 6-10’ distance. Narrowing choices down to REL HT series (HT 1003 single or dual if needed) or Rythmic L12/F12 series, originally also considered SVS and JL Audio.Unfortunately, unable to audition either brand locally, but have heard Ti series. How does HT 1003 work in this application and compare to Rythmik. Research seems to indicate both brands offer quick and accurate reproduction of most sources. Have not been able to find much on the HT 1003 in reviews or forums. Would welcome and appreciate any comments or references.
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Looking for first subwoofer for 5.1 system, 40% HD TV, 40% HD streaming, and 20% CD music, that is fast and accurate for HT and music. Listen at low to moderate levels in U shaped seating area 6-10’ distance. Narrowing choices down to REL HT series (HT 1003 single or dual if needed) or Rythmic L12/F12 series, originally also considered SVS and JL Audio.Unfortunately, unable to audition either brand locally, but have heard Ti series. How does HT 1003 work in this application and compare to Rythmik. Research seems to indicate both brands offer quick and accurate reproduction of most sources. Have not been able to find much on the HT 1003 in reviews or forums. Would welcome and appreciate any comments or references.
I'm also interested in rhythmic as I use a Storm 5 for hi level connection but can't find any info on the audio delay for the rhythmic subs.
You realise with ht 1003 you wont have a hi level connection for music.
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Dumb questions.

Can someone educate me on this please.

I have REL T5i and Yamaha A-S801, want to setup the High Level Input.
2 questions.

Q1 : Does High Level Input goes to Speaker B (L and R) on Yamaha ? or Speaker A (L and R)
If it goes to Speaker A then my main speaker is also connected to Speaker A ?

Q2 : How my integrated amp know at what frequency it crosses over ? does REL crossover knob drives integrated amp ?

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Q1 - It doesn’t really matter, and yes, the high level cable can go on the same terminals as the speaker cable.

Q2 - If you connect via high level the crossover adjustment is done on the REL
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Q1 - It doesn’t really matter, and yes, the high level cable can go on the same terminals as the speaker cable.

Q2 - If you connect via high level the crossover adjustment is done on the REL
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Do Rel subs ever go on sale?
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Do Rel subs ever go on sale?
I think I got mine about 25% off during Black Friday here in Canada. I think you can wait for the boxing day sale.
REL bass quality is superior than my SVS SB ones (for the music), really nice bass.
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Is day after Christmas an annual sale day for Rel products? Or is that just in Canada since it's Boxing Day? I didn't see any Black Friday specials for Rel here in the U.S.
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REL H/T series subwoofers. Any one have any experiences with the H/T 1003 or 1205? What are the impressions for HT and music? Has anyone had actual listening in comparison to other brands such as SVS, PSA, HSU, and specifically RYTHMIK?
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I spoke to Rel regarding the limited LFE output on the S3’s and their response was that they internally limit the LFE to limit users from overdriving the sub. I asked some follow up questions and am awaiting reply. Thanks all for the responses.
Do you still have the S3's or you returned them? if you still have them you got a fix for the low out from the lfe ?



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I am running a pair of REL 5/SHO with my pass lab monoblocks and harbeth 40.2 speakers. Its sounding good but am a bit surprised that the best integration I am getting is with what I think is the lowest crossover setting which is ten clicks....I have tried twelve clicks but find that the sound is too full sounding.....the harbeth speakers go down to 35hz +- 3.....I would think twelve clicks should work but find that ten clicks crossover and gain sound the most integrated for me .....the subs are pretty close to corner and I do have bass treatment in the corner too......

so my question is just confirming that about ten clicks is around 30Hz?

thanks

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About the previous REL S3 and S5 series and lower output via RCA ... compared to T series.

My hifi dealer a few years back told me the exact same problem and even showed it to Rel rep in his showroom by switching the same sub cable between a T9 and S5. Even then they would not admit there was a problem. The reason is the input sensitivity on the old S series is just too low. My dealer persisted and persisted to no avail but Rel took back the Rel S series he had in stock and replaced them with T series since he was fed up.

Even knowing this I purchased dual S5/SHO 3 years ago. The problem was there but I managed to work around the problem by adding 8db to my sub outputs (on my processor). That resolved the problem in my case. I can only hope Rel solved this design problem in their newest S serie and I assume they did because the new S amp has more output now.

I really liked the Rel S subs once dialled in correctly but a year ago sold them to free up some living room space.

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About the previous REL S3 and S5 series and lower output via RCA ... compared to T series.

My hifi dealer a few years back told me the exact same problem and even showed it to Rel rep in his showroom by switching the same sub cable between a T9 and S5. Even then they would not admit there was a problem. The reason is the input sensitivity on the old S series is just too low. My dealer persisted and persisted to no avail but Rel took back the Rel S series he had in stock and replaced them with T series since he was fed up.

Even knowing this I purchased dual S5/SHO 3 years ago. The problem was there but I managed to work around the problem by adding 8db to my sub outputs (on my processor). That resolved the problem in my case. I can only hope Rel solved this design problem in their newest S serie and I assume they did because the new S amp has more output now.

I really liked the Rel S subs once dialled in correctly but a year ago sold them to free up some living room space.
Interesting thing about the previous S series. I read somewhere that Rel did this on purpose by adding low sensitivity to the LFE signal input to avoid over driving the sub in high LFE soundtracks.

But with the High Level connection the S series even the previous ones are amazing..


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Picked myself up a pair of Focal Electra 1028 Be's last week (picking up the matching centre speaker and some dipole surrounds this weekend), so I finally have a pair of front speakers to match my REL 212 SE. And man, what a combo! They blend so well and just sound so full and fantastic. We had a good listening session with just the speakers first, and although they sounded good turning the REL back on just took it up to a whole new level!
What did you end up using for the LPF on the 212 SE when using with the Electra 1028s? I'm considering a REL or two with some impending 1038s. Thinking that a 30Hz LPF would help integrate well given that the speakers are rated to 33 Hz +/- 3dB.
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REL H/T series subwoofers. Any one have any experiences with the H/T 1003 or 1205? What are the impressions for HT and music? Has anyone had actual listening in comparison to other brands such as SVS, PSA, HSU, and specifically RYTHMIK?
Hello. I replaced an SVS 20-39 pci sub with the Rel HT 1205 and HT Air Wireless unit.. I have the Rel coupled with PSB Bronze speakers for the rear channels of a 5.2.3 setup. The one thing I can't get over is how smooth and non boomy the Rel is compared to the SVS. Several times I had put my ear up to it to make sure I had things set right cause I thought I wasn't hearing it. Last week I was watching something and all of a sudden this wash of bass came out. I turned around and smiled. Smooth. Loud. Non boomy. You hear it without hearing it. I love it. Next, two 812s and a 510s to replace front SVS subs.

If your choice is between the 1003 and 1205, go with 1205 if you have the room.

Picture is of where 1205 is going. Behind the wall. SVS is still sitting there.
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I am running a pair of REL 5/SHO with my pass lab monoblocks and harbeth 40.2 speakers. Its sounding good but am a bit surprised that the best integration I am getting is with what I think is the lowest crossover setting which is ten clicks....I have tried twelve clicks but find that the sound is too full sounding.....the harbeth speakers go down to 35hz +- 3.....I would think twelve clicks should work but find that ten clicks crossover and gain sound the most integrated for me .....the subs are pretty close to corner and I do have bass treatment in the corner too......

so my question is just confirming that about ten clicks is around 30Hz?

thanks

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I thought the range of the dial is 30hz to 120hz. Wouldn’t that mean that 0 clicks would be 30hz?

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You are right ten clicks is not 30hz but that is roughly where REL recommends to start there or 10AM...

I might try one less click so crossover closer to 40hz
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You are right ten clicks is not 30hz but that is roughly where REL recommends to start there or 10AM...

I might try one less click so crossover closer to 40hz
Do you happen know if my rel sub says it’s lowest frequency extension is 32hz at -6db, and my bookshelf speakers are 39hz +- 3db, how much lower does my rel actually play compared to my bookshelf speakers ?

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Do you happen know if my rel sub says it’s lowest frequency extension is 32hz at -6db, and my bookshelf speakers are 39hz +- 3db, how much lower does my rel actually play compared to my bookshelf speakers ?

there is no formula other than to test in your room your equipment how low the REL is playing...this is because room acoustic speaker position subwoofer position and listening position would all be impacting the bottom line measurement......this is why REL recommends finding the position to put the REL that provides the most bass output and then fine tune it to suit your taste starting at about ten oclock on your REL sub crossover and output.....you will probably be either couple clicks higher or lower than that.
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