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So I'm confused, are you saying thank you or #$%^ you?

It's a good thing your wife is on board, otherwise it would be the couch for you! If I may ask, what did you upgrade to? And is the S1 in your future now?
A big thank you, of course.

She still isn't the most supportive when it comes to the prices, but alas, she enjoys the setup quite a bit.

I went from a Onkyo sub (HTiB) to the Dayton Sub1200. After that, I upgraded to a PSA XS30se and then to dual S3000i.

As for the S1,I would love a JTR sub, but I think that the DIY bug has bitten me.

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I went from a Onkyo sub (HTiB) to the Dayton Sub1200. After that, I upgraded to a PSA XS30se and then to dual S3000i.

As for the S1,I would love a JTR sub, but I think that the DIY bug has bitten me.
It's going to take some work to top dual S3000's, but one thing is for certain; you have upgradeitis bad!

 
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It's going to take some work to top dual S3000's, but one thing is for certain; you have upgradeitis bad!

Well, mathematically the 18" subwoofer driver in the Captivator S1 can displace as much two 15" subwoofers with 25mm of xmax (most competitors 15" have 15-17mm). Plus, the Captivator S1 has a 2400 watt amplifier (as rated by SpeakerPower) vs a 1400 watt amplifier (as rated by Ice Power and SpeakerPower).
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Well, mathematically the 18" subwoofer driver in the Captivator S1 can displace as much two 15" subwoofers with 25mm of xmas (most competitors 15" have 15-17mm). Plus, the Captivator S1 has a 2400 watt amplifier (as rated by SpeakerPower) vs a 1400 watt amplifier (as rated by Ice Power and SpeakerPower).
Is it Christmas already???

He currently has dual S3000's, so that's four 15" drivers. Sounds like he's going to take a stab at DIY though, but the S1 analog still has merit; that should give him an idea of what he'll need to duplicate in order to best what he has now.

 
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Well, mathematically the 18" subwoofer driver in the Captivator S1 can displace as much two 15" subwoofers with 25mm of xmax (most competitors 15" have 15-17mm). Plus, the Captivator S1 has a 2400 watt amplifier (as rated by SpeakerPower) vs a 1400 watt amplifier (as rated by Ice Power and SpeakerPower).
I know my moneys on a Cap S1 to gun down a S3000i. But then again two completely difference price ranges.

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S2......problem solved. lol


The S2 was the best ID sub I have ever owned or heard hands down! That sub was a beast and I miss it dearly.
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S2......problem solved. lol

The S2 was the best ID sub I have ever owned or heard hands down! That sub was a beast and I miss it dearly.
It's funny you mention the S2... Jeff brought those to a GTG I attended, which was the first time I had heard them. It was at that moment where I approached him about a review of the S1.

But looking at the thing you could guess some of what was to come. You know what really shocked me? The Single 8. I was outside drinking a few cold ones when he fired those up, and you could hear them clear as day! No distortion whatsoever, even though they were being Jeff'ed (that's an adjective meaning "cranked to the Spinal Tap level").
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I know my moneys on a Cap S1 to gun down a S3000i. But then again two completely difference price ranges.
The Captivator S1 driver can displace 7924 cc (1200 x 6.6cm (33mm xmax each way)). For a point of reference, the Eminence Lab15 can only displace 1945 cc (823 x 2.36cm (11.8mm xmax each way)). This means the S1 driver can displace 4.1 times more than the Lab15.
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The Captivator S1 driver can displace 7924 cc (1200 x 6.6cm (33mm xmax each way)). For a point of reference, the Eminence Lab15 can only displace 1945 cc (823 x 2.36cm (11.8mm xmax each way)). This means the S1 driver can displace 4.1 times more than the Lab15.
Since your are replying to a quote regarding our products I'm sure you don't mind me correcting some errors Jeff.

1)The Lab15 xmax ratings that you quote are simple coil ratios. The true xmax of these designs are much higher. These ratings are done in the same manner that PE rates the xmax on their Dayton woofs. You know this as does every casual DIYer around. (Voice Coil Length - Height of the Magnetic Gap) / 2.
Anyone following along---go look at the databass comments regarding this method versus the true xmax of the driver..

2)No OEM that I know of using the "lab15" as their foundation keeps the xmax "stock" anyway. So I'm not sure why you would even quote that specification. It really has nothing to do with our drivers as nearly the entire motor(including the coil) is custom to our specifications.

If you're going to make specific comments about our products I'm sure you want to offer correct information. We never disclose specific T/S specifications but even assuming a relatively modest 20-21mm...the difference is about 15%? Worth noting I suppose but certainly nothing close to a 400% as claimed.



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On the other hand, back calculating the passing CEA2010 results for the XS15SE, the driver is delivering approximately 17mm of throw from 20Hz on down, and approximately 22mm of throw between 25-40Hz. I'd note this calc is probably a little conservative as well, as air density is standardized to 70 degrees F at sea level. Real world, the temp was 82F, and mum is the word on humidity and elevation (presumably above sea level), all of which will reduce air density, and require more stroke for X amount of dB. Either way, the results aren't exactly what one would expect from a driver with a rated xmax of 11.8mm.
I had no idea about this. Very interesting.

So, living in Albuquerque (about 5,000 feet above sea level) has an impact on the performance of my subs? Is that correct to assume?

Yippee-ki-yay...
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Since your are replying to a quote regarding our products I'm sure you don't mind me correcting some errors Jeff.

1)The Lab15 xmax ratings that you quote are simple coil ratios. The true xmax of these designs are much higher. These ratings are done in the same manner that PE rates the xmax on their Dayton woofs. You know this as does every casual DIYer around. (Voice Coil Length - Height of the Magnetic Gap) / 2.
Anyone following along---go look at the databass comments regarding this method versus the true xmax of the driver..

2)No OEM that I know of using the "lab15" as their foundation keeps the xmax "stock" anyway. So I'm not sure why you would even quote that specification. It really has nothing to do with our drivers as nearly the entire motor(including the coil) is custom to our specifications.

If you're going to make specific comments about our products I'm sure you want to offer correct information. We never disclose specific T/S specifications but even assuming a relatively modest 20-21mm...the difference is about 15%? Worth noting I suppose but certainly nothing close to a 400% as claimed.



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Your product was mentioned in a post that I had quote however I was not commenting about your product. I was simply using the Lab15 as a point of reference.
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For anyone who may be interested, I just posted a review on the Cap S1. It can be accessed using this link. If you have any questions please let me know.
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^^ That CF dust cap is a really nice touch..... Please send me 6 so I can replace all the drivers in my S2's
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Man that's a beefy driver! I love it.
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^^ That CF dust cap is a really nice touch..... Please send me 6 so I can replace all the drivers in my S2's
And while you at it, send me 8 so I can replace mines as well..
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You have three S2's?! How big is your room?

Yep.. I had 2 but needed a 3rd for a CC stand when I rotated the room 90deg. to fit the AT screen.. The room comes in at a whopping 842cubes. It's a ton of fun... especially since it's on a suspended floor, as well.


Btw, your review of the S1 was superb. I'm ashamed to say that it was the first review of yours that I've read... I'll be tuning in from now on, for sure!
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And while you at it, send me 8 so I can replace mines as well..

Ah come on, Rhed.. no need to replace all of those when you can just order 4 more S2's!
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Yep.. I had 2 but needed a 3rd for a CC stand when I rotated the room 90deg. to fit the AT screen.. The room comes in at a whopping 842cubes. It's a ton of fun... especially since it's on a suspended floor, as well.
Square feet or cubic feet? Surely you can't have 5x what I evaluated in a room less than half the size of mine, could you?


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I'm glad you liked my review, although you probably knew the outcome before you even started reading it...

 
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Lol, cubic feet.. the room is about 13'x8.5'.. and that's being generous.. There are angled ceilings on either end that cut into the space, giving me ~840cubes.


Yeah, I had a feeling you'd be a bit impressed.. I know I was.. I look forward to your next review. Is Jeff sending you an OS??
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Lol, cubic feet.. the room is about 13'x8.5'.. and that's being generous.. There are angled ceilings on either end that cut into the space, giving me ~840cubes.
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Yeah, I had a feeling you'd be a bit impressed.. I know I was.. I look forward to your next review. Is Jeff sending you an OS??
No OS, but there may be a 1400 sitting in my other room waiting for some attention.
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The pre-order period for JTR Captivator 218HT and 118HT has started.

Let the fun begin!

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Let the fun begin!
Placing my order for the 118HT and selling my Cap 4000 in Nov. Can't leave without real bass for that long.
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Placing my order for the 118HT and selling my Cap 4000 in Nov. Can't leave without real bass for that long.
Is Cap 4000 an older model? Sorry for asking as I just started paying attention to subs about 15 months ago.

Wouldn't that be a downgrade for you? If you are coming from a Cap 4000, you probably need at least a pair of 118 HT.

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Is Cap 4000 an older model? Sorry for asking as I just started paying attention to subs about 15 months ago.

Wouldn't that be a downgrade for you? If you are coming from a Cap 4000, you probably need at least a pair of 118 HT.
Nope, it's the passive version from 2011.
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Placing my order for the 118HT and selling my Cap 4000 in Nov. Can't leave without real bass for that long.
Why the downgrade?
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Way better driver in the cap4000. I wouldn't make that move. I would also take the cap1400 over the 118.

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JTR subs really are amazing! I have a CAP 2400 (the powered version) and am in awe of this thing! I have it in my living room on the first level in a very large open floor plan (roughly 9,500 cubic feet). I love bass and needed something with tons of output and this thing has it in spades! Big, powerful, clean bass that never seems to distort or make a bad sound at silly listening levels with bass ran hot. I've ran the CAP up in the front corner (12' away) paired with a Rythmik FV15HP temporarily right behind the MLP so the FV wouldn't have to work as hard. The nearfield is where the majority of tactile response comes from in my room. Recently, curiosity got the best of me so I moved the CAP behind the MLP with the driver facing into my back and the FV up front. With the Cap setup like this, the slam and tactile feel that it delivers is just crazy! The way I had it set up previously with Cap upfront and FV behind was great but with the Cap behind, (although not quite a much extention) it takes it to another level. I have to keep the Volume lower on the FV upfront to keep it from working it to hard at real loud levels but its works because the Cap pretty much takes the majority of the load. I tried stacking both subs behind couch but preferred a sub upfront as well though to pull the some of the bass sounds forward a little and balance it a little better. The FV is great but would love to have a Cap 1400 upfront to pair with the 2400 directly behind MLP ....maybe some day.

Somehow my wife agreed to let me leave the Cap behind the couch I think she must have felt sorry for me dragging it back and forth from the front of the room to behind the couch. Its a pretty damn beastly sub and looks like a half sized refrigerator setting behind the couch when its in the normal upright position. Surprising though, if I lay it down on its side, it doesn't look near as huge and blends in a lot better. This also allows me to get the driver a little closer to the couch. I wish I had a dedicated room but this will have to work for now.

I watched Mad Max Fury Road the other day at -5 MVC and subs +6db hot. It was the best bass and movie experience I've ever had! I got beat up with loads of clean potent bass . Watched it in 3D on the projector. Everything was so real and intense feeling that I even found myself flinching on multiple occasions.
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