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post #4921 of 5058 Old 09-16-2015, 03:34 PM
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Way better driver in the cap4000. I wouldn't make that move. I would also take the cap1400 over the 118.
I believe the 18" driver in the 2011 original Cap 4000 was the same one Jeff was using at that time in the Orbit Shifter. I might venture to guess it's way more "powerful" than later Captivator models with smaller amps, but that's a relative term based upon efficiency.

A less efficient driver at 4000w may produce the same SPL as a more efficient driver at 2400w which is why I think Jeff switched from the Cap 4000 to the Cap 2400 in 2013. Almost the same output at a lower cost.

Now in 2015, Jeff posted that the Cap 1400 would give up 2 Db in comparison to the Cap 2400 in return for an even lower cost. He also said that the new 118 had a less powerful driver than the Cap 1400

So the heirarchy might be Cap 4000 > Cap 2400 > Cap 1400 > 118.

The Cap 1400 could be a step down assuming you drive the passive Cap 4000 with the right sized amp.
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I believe the 18" driver in the 2011 original Cap 4000 was the same one Jeff was using at that time in the Orbit Shifter. I might venture to guess it's way more "powerful" than later Captivator models with smaller amps, but that's a relative term based upon efficiency.

A less efficient driver at 4000w may produce the same SPL as a more efficient driver at 2400w which is why I think Jeff switched from the Cap 4000 to the Cap 2400 in 2013. Almost the same output at a lower cost.

Now in 2015, Jeff posted that the Cap 1400 would give up 2 Db in comparison to the Cap 2400 in return for an even lower cost. He also said that the new 118 had a less powerful driver than the Cap 1400

So the heirarchy might be Cap 4000 > Cap 2400 > Cap 1400 > 118.

The Cap 1400 could be a step down assuming you drive the passive Cap 4000 with the right sized amp.
The Captivator 4000 thur 1400 all used pretty much the same driver (improved cooling and suspension) with impedance optimised for the various amplifiers. The 4000 watt amplifier works great in the Orbit Shifter but would overdrive the woofer in the vented Captivator cabinet so we switched to the 2400. The 1400 watt amplifier is half the cost of the 2400 watt amplifier and allowed us to get price down under $2000 ($1899 vs $2599).
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Well thanks to Jeff and others for the education. I've not been following the sub world of recent. Maybe I just need to find another passive (older=cheaper) Cap to add to my HT. Certainly, someone wants to downsize????
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What is this "downsizing" you speak of...sounds just confusing as vegetarians
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Jeff,

What is the different between s1 and 218ht in terms of musicality; clean and tight bass. Thx
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Jeff,

What is the different between s1 and 218ht in terms of musicality; clean and tight bass. Thx
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What is the different between s1 and 218ht in terms of musicality; clean and tight bass. Thx
There has been several blind sub tests and people could not tell the difference between ported and sealed. You just need to decide what is best for your application or what your needs are.

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There has been several blind sub tests and people could not tell the difference between ported and sealed. You just need to decide what is best for your application or what your needs are.
It will be interesting compare the different between 1400, 218ht and s1 cos the pricetag close each other. What is pro and cons. I interested one of them
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There has been several blind sub tests and people could not tell the difference between ported and sealed. You just need to decide what is best for your application or what your needs are.

It'll rather interested to see the difference between the Eminence 18" driver and the high excursion Fi drivers that Jeff uses though. Two completely difference brands and designs.
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It will be interesting compare the different between 1400, 218ht and s1 cos the pricetag close each other. What is pro and cons. I interested one of them
Here's some read on the 1400
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=117
Some comparison between the 1400 and 218ht
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...bang-buck.html
And Jim Wilson's review of the S1
http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...s1-review.html

Imo, if you have the room and just need one powerful sub, the 218ht will be of choice. It's a beast of a sub, but it's a beast in every way. Now, I would imagine duals with these . If you need compact, then 1400 is a no brainier. Now, the S1 will dig deeper and cleaner if that's your looking for. It's a hell of a sub. I like sealed, but duals minimum with these imo. And the S1 has a more powerful amp (2400)..
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thx for the input, i would like to know comparition between 218ht and s1, the databass sites cannot open right now. tx
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It'll rather interested to see the difference between the Eminence 18" driver and the high excursion Fi drivers that Jeff uses though. Two completely difference brands and designs.

JTR drivers are JTR drivers no matter who we use to manufacture them. We design, develop, use many proprietary parts and are unlike any other drivers. We spent a year developing the Noesis 215 driver, custom spider, santopene surround and the largest motor Eminence had ever built in production with 190oz of magnets. The Cap 118HT driver was nearly a year of development, pushing Eminence even further, modifying the baskets for performance well beyond anything they had ever built and going to an even larger motor with 215oz of magnets.
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It'll rather interested to see the difference between the Eminence 18" driver and the high excursion Fi drivers that Jeff uses though. Two completely difference brands and designs.
I believe all JTR drivers are custom design made. Meaning I don't even think the manufacture will sell anyone or advertise it to purchase..
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JTR drivers are JTR drivers no matter who we use to manufacture them. We design, develop, use many proprietary parts and are unlike any other drivers. We spent a year developing the Noesis 215 driver, custom spider, santopene surround and the largest motor Eminence had ever built in production with 190oz of magnets. The Cap 118HT driver was nearly a year of development, pushing Eminence even further, modifying the baskets for performance well beyond anything they had ever built and going to an even larger motor with 215oz of magnets.

I completely realize that Jeff and my comment wasn't meant as a slight against the subs. I love your stuff and even though I currently don't own any JTR products I'm still a huge fan and love what you do. I would gladly buy your Cap 118HT over another similar product using Eminence 18" drivers from another manufacture.


Is there any plans to have Josh test the new 218HT & 118HT products?
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I believe all JTR drivers are custom design made. Meaning I don't even think the manufacture will sell anyone or advertise it to purchase..
Of course they are, I never said they weren't though.
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I just posted a review on the Captivator 118HT. For anyone who might be interested, it can be accessed using this link.
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I just posted a review on the Captivator 118HT. For anyone who might be interested, it can be accessed using this link.
Nice review Jim. How would you compare the 118 to your S1 in your (smallish) room?
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I just posted a review on the Captivator 118HT. For anyone who might be interested, it can be accessed using this link.

Nice review Jim!


Why are the frequency response graphs in 20dB increments though? Shouldn't they be at 10dB at most? I know a lot of guys suggest in the REW thread that really they should be shown in 5dB increments.
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Nice review Jim. How would you compare the 118 to your S1 in your (smallish) room?
Output wise, the 118HT probably has an advantage; there's inherent benefits associated to large ported cabinets. Depth favors the S1 though, at least in my situation anyway.

 
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Why are the frequency response graphs in 20dB increments though? Shouldn't they be at 10dB at most? I know a lot of guys suggest in the REW thread that really they should be shown in 5dB increments.
Omnimic has an 'auto' scaling function, and I leave that enabled when doing measurements. For the most part I agree though that the scale should probably be more granular. I might revisit how I do that in the future.

 
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I just posted a review on the Captivator 118HT. For anyone who might be interested, it can be accessed using this link.
Nice read that makes me want to buy at least 2. The bard of boom strikes again.
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Nice review Jim. Another kickass turn-key gear from JTR.. Imagine what the 218HT brings to the table..
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Nice read that makes me want to buy at least 2. The bard of boom strikes again.
Do it Rob.. That would bring some heavy lifting and mass to your suspended HT. How fun is that! When I talked to Jeff about adding subs upfront with my 215's. He suggested to stick with vented. 1400, 118HT, or 218HT or 215 Captivator.
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Do it Rob.. That would bring some heavy lifting and mass to your suspended HT. How fun is that! When I talked to Jeff about adding subs upfront with my 215's. He suggested to stick with vented. 1400, 118HT, or 218HT or 215 Captivator.
Are you going to add more woofage than what you already have ....you've got 4 S2's already if I remember correctly right?

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Are you going to add more woofage than what you already have ....you've got 4 S2's already if I remember correctly right?
No.. I had the thought in mind at first. But I don't know what I was thinking cause I have a lot of woofage already. Especially since my HT area is on a suspended deck. So instead, I decided to upgrade to ATMOS. A more logical approach. Now, my 4 slanted 8's will go up to the ceiling. And instead of more woofage, I ordered 4 210RT's in place for my surrounds. Gonna experiment with full range surrounds with ATMOS..
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No.. I had the thought in mind at first. But I don't know what I was thinking cause I have a lot of woofage already. Especially since my HT area is on a suspended deck. So instead, I decided to upgrade to ATMOS. A more logical approach. Now, my 4 slanted 8's will go up to the ceiling. And instead of more woofage, I ordered 4 210RT's in place for my surrounds. Gonna experiment with full range surrounds with ATMOS..
What are you going to use for a processer to be able to run all seven channels full range with LFE content sent to the surrounds?
That's going to be friggin awesome by the way! I can only dream about having a space large enough to do what you're doing rhed!
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^^ Yeah I agree ...that's gonna to be pretty damn awesome!

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What are you going to use for a processer to be able to run all seven channels full range with LFE content sent to the surrounds?
That's going to be friggin awesome by the way! I can only dream about having a space large enough to do what you're doing rhed!
Thanks bro.. I'm still shopping. I bought a Pioneer SC-97 and a really low price at Magnolia .Didnt open it yet. Though I'm thinkin of returning it and just jump on to a 7702mkII. But, I don't want to spend too much on a processor too. Cause, well, it is 2016 and new models will start rolling in. So jus get one to get me goin.and wait till the 2016 models to come out. But I did get another 3000dsp.
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Thanks bro.. I'm still shopping. I bought a Pioneer SC-97 and a really low price at Magnolia .Didnt open it yet. Though I'm thinkin of returning it and just jump on to a 7702mkII. But, I don't want to spend too much on a processor too. Cause, well, it is 2016 and new models will start rolling in. So jus get one to get me goin.and wait till the 2016 models to come out. But I did get another 3000dsp.

How are you going to run all seven channels full range and route LFE content to all seven channels too? I don't think there's anyway to do that with a standard AVR. You might need to put a HTPC in your signal chain too and use Jriver.

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