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Question; is it normal the amp stays a bit warm all the time?
I have followed advise to leave the sub on all the time, but the amp on FV25HP always a bit warm even without play for more than 24 hours. Thank you for your time!
I don't know if this directly answers your question but I found heat information on the website at the following link.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/faq.html...inktemperature
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@Jim1290 : I don't leave mine on, and the FV25HP uses a higher-wattage amp than my F12's, but I think the idle power is in the 4-5 W range, about the same as a nightlight. So I'd expect they would be a little warm to the touch.

@enricoclaudio -- Could you ask Brian why the higher standby power for the class D amps vs. the AB/H amps? Curious... I know class D is least efficient at lowest power so that may have something to do with it.

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Did you know Rythmik makes subwoofers? ;D
Yeah, I heard that somewhere, and I think Enrico (who posted in the same vein right above me) thinks so too. Did you have a subwoofer question?
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I don't know if this directly answers your question but I found heat information on the website at the following link.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/faq.html...inktemperature
@Jim1290

i just went down and checked mine with a heat sensor and all 3 are showing about ~73F (cool to the touch). that's the warmest spot on each, the rest of the amp is in the mid to high 60s. all of mine are set to auto.

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I don't know if this directly answers your question but I found heat information on the website at the following link.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/faq.html...inktemperature
Thank you very much! I have found the above link the other day.

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@Jim1290 : I don't leave mine on, and the FV25HP uses a higher-wattage amp than my F12's, but I think the idle power is in the 4-5 W range, about the same as a nightlight. So I'd expect they would be a little warm to the touch.
Thank you very much Don, as always. I think that must be the reason.


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@Jim1290

i just went down and checked mine with a heat sensor and all 3 are showing about ~73F (cool to the touch). that's the warmest spot on each, the rest of the amp is in the mid to high 60s. all of mine are set to auto.

@serith thank you very much for your time! Yes, when on Auto ON it's not warm at all, it's only a bit warm when ON. Thanks again!
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Well when I was married I remember getting my new electronics with a Gucci, Luis Vuitton or Mario Hernandez bag attached to them so the wife didn't complaint. At the end I was buying Onkyo, Marantz and Denon at Trinnov and Lindorff prices but at least the wife was happy
It is give and take, isn't it? My wife just got another new designer bag (that she apparently just HAD to have, because it was somehow so different from the others she has), so I do have some bargaining room. On the LVX12, I measured the footprint and I am a bit concerned that it will be too big for my space. My tv is wall-mounted in a corner facing the main seating area in the opposite corner, with few options for placing a 2 ft sub. Ideally I would get a sealed model but this would cheat myself of the additional benefits for HT use. It may have to go along the wall by the tv but the front will not be facing the MLP if that makes a difference. I realise subs are non-directional but it may affect the results. Also, not sure if it matters what speakers I have, but I only have KEF Q100s as the LR fronts with the Q200c centre.
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It may have to go along the wall by the tv but the front will not be facing the MLP if that makes a difference. I realise subs are non-directional but it may affect the results.
there is actually some really detailed information a few people were sharing a page or two back with regard to where it makes most sense to place your subwoofer(s) (in a square/rectangle room anyway). most that have them flanking their l/r speakers do it for aesthetics, not because it sounds best there. all else fails do the sub crawl.
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We can't tell where the sound is coming from, but sub placement does make a difference in how the sub interacts with the room, so placement does matter and is audible. It changes the magnitude of peaks and valleys in the frequency response.

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We can't tell where the sound is coming from, but sub placement does make a difference in how the sub interacts with the room, so placement does matter and is audible. It changes the magnitude of peaks and valleys in the frequency response.
Thanks DonH50 and serith. As I said, options are limited, so I will play a bit with my current sub to find the best spot then determine if the large LVX12 will work. I think I am leaning towards the LV12R again at the expense of some tactile extension.
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Thanks DonH50 and serith. As I said, options are limited, so I will play a bit with my current sub to find the best spot then determine if the large LVX12 will work. I think I am leaning towards the LV12R again at the expense of some tactile extension.
Love my LV12R in my HT. Give it a try....

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Love my LV12R in my HT. Give it a try....
Thanks for the endorsement, I likely will. Since you have one, what is your experience with this sub? I am looking to hear and feel the subtle low frequencies in shows and movies without the muddiness that says "I'm a subwoofer!". I understand a lot of this will occur above 20 Hz and the Rythmik will be very good at providing clean bass. Anything you are aware of missing?
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The G25HP box is the same as the G25. If I recall I posted the G25 dimensions a few months back when we were selling the G25 demo unit. Dimensions are 18"(W) x 25" (D) x 24"(H). Amplifiers knobs add extra 1"(W). Brian is assembling one G25HP this week to test it and take some measurements. We won't be able to send it to Josh until mid Summer due to Josh busy schedule, though. That's all the info I have to share.
Are these dimensions including grille and heatsink?
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Thanks for the endorsement, I likely will. Since you have one, what is your experience with this sub? I am looking to hear and feel the subtle low frequencies in shows and movies without the muddiness that says "I'm a subwoofer!". I understand a lot of this will occur above 20 Hz and the Rythmik will be very good at providing clean bass. Anything you are aware of missing?
I've had a LV12R for a few years now myself. It's very capable. If you integrate it into your system properly, it will completely disappear, and simply make your main speakers sound better. I've never heard a sub like it before. On the right material, you feel it without it announcing itself, if you know what I mean.

Room modes are definitely a concern though, as with any subwoofer. I have a few problem spots in my room. Using Audyssey XT32 helps, and the primary listening spot I calibrated sounds perfectly balanced in the sub's range.
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Thanks for the endorsement, I likely will. Since you have one, what is your experience with this sub? I am looking to hear and feel the subtle low frequencies in shows and movies without the muddiness that says "I'm a subwoofer!". I understand a lot of this will occur above 20 Hz and the Rythmik will be very good at providing clean bass. Anything you are aware of missing?
My first entry into "real" subwoofers was an LV12R. I remember when I got it re-watching movie after movie and realizing that I had been missing an entire (and important) part of the audio track. There were sound effects, tactile slam (I had it nearfield), and more generally a full or more complete sound than with my previous HTIB dinky sub. Good luck and if you decide to purchase, please let us know your feedback. Most of us love hearing impressions, good or bad. If bad, there are many here who will step in to help you dial it in correctly.

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I've had a LV12R for a few years now myself. It's very capable. If you integrate it into your system properly, it will completely disappear, and simply make your main speakers sound better. I've never heard a sub like it before. On the right material, you feel it without it announcing itself, if you know what I mean.

Room modes are definitely a concern though, as with any subwoofer. I have a few problem spots in my room. Using Audyssey XT32 helps, and the primary listening spot I calibrated sounds perfectly balanced in the sub's range.
Thanks, my room is definitely a challenge. I have a Denon x2200w with Audyssey MultiEQ XT and I focus the setup in the opposite corner where the sectional is as MLP. Where the current sub is located seems to work, but a Rythmik will offer more for sure and hopefully blend in better than the BIC.
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My first entry into "real" subwoofers was an LV12R. I remember when I got it re-watching movie after movie and realizing that I had been missing an entire (and important) part of the audio track. There were sound effects, tactile slam (I had it nearfield), and more generally a full or more complete sound than with my previous HTIB dinky sub. Good luck and if you decide to purchase, please let us know your feedback. Most of us love hearing impressions, good or bad. If bad, there are many here who will step in to help you dial it in correctly.
Yes, it is the "didn't know those sounds were there!" that I am trying to get at. I went straight to an SVS SB-2000 for my living room 2.1 music setup and it does sound good, which is why I notice the shortcomings of the BIC in the HT. I am going to put the SVS in the HT this weekend and play a variety of media. Although it is sealed, it does go down to 19 Hz so it should give me a rough idea of how a better sub could sound and where it can be placed. I am wavering on going with a sealed Rythmik purely for aesthetics and footprint, but I know I will lose out on some LFE benefits. At least I get to play with my toys this weekend in the name of research . Now if only the CDN dollar would improve!
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Thanks for the endorsement, I likely will. Since you have one, what is your experience with this sub? I am looking to hear and feel the subtle low frequencies in shows and movies without the muddiness that says "I'm a subwoofer!". I understand a lot of this will occur above 20 Hz and the Rythmik will be very good at providing clean bass. Anything you are aware of missing?
My room is a dedicated HT room that is completely enclosed with no ambient light. 20ft long by 14 ft wide. 9 foot ceilings. Sound panels on the walls. The sub does a great job and with speakers set to small and 80hz handles the rumbles without being localized. I was looking to spend $500 on a sub and after all of my research this is the sub that stood out and I am very happy with it. If money was no problem, then I would have gotten two 15" Rythmik subs. I will add a second LV12R at some point as two subs are always better than one....
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My room is a dedicated HT room that is completely enclosed with no ambient light. 20ft long by 14 ft wide. 9 foot ceilings. Sound panels on the walls. The sub does a great job and with speakers set to small and 80hz handles the rumbles without being localized. I was looking to spend $500 on a sub and after all of my research this is the sub that stood out and I am very happy with it. If money was no problem, then I would have gotten two 15" Rythmik subs. I will add a second LV12R at some point as two subs are always better than one....
Thanks for the feedback. If I had a somewhat normally shaped room it would be a no-brainer, and I may even opt for the LVX12, but the opposite corner layout and large opening at one end make it challenging. Duals would be even more challenging, although I am starting to think about how I could get 2 in the tv/speaker corner. I like the LV12R for the price. I am also wondering about the F12 sealed based on specs and size, although it is a lot more money. I want to do it right this time so doing my homework.
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I am going through a difficult PHASE right now.

I have one subwoofer, F15 and trying to connect two systems to it. (2 channel audio and 2 channel HT) Both system do not have any digital processing. One connects Via RCA and the other via speaker level connection.

The Audio system connects via RCA, Phase is at 180, The HT system connects via Speaker level and phase is at 0. Can I reverse the speaker wire connections to make both in-sync without damaging the sub ?
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Yes, if you mean swapping the speaker-level input wires at the sub, but I'd probably buy a line-level switch box and do it that way if both have preamp outputs. There may be interaction between the two inputs.

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Will a line level switchbox solve my phase problem ?

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Yes, if you mean swapping the speaker-level input wires at the sub, but I'd probably buy a line-level switch box and do it that way if both have preamp outputs. There may be interaction between the two inputs.
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No, forgot about that, not if one component inverts phase with respect to the other and you have no other way to fix it through a setting in one of the systems.

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Well I made it to February, but am chomping at the bit for those F18 kits! I probably need to start building cabinets too. Enrico, do you have an estimated date when the container with the 18" drivers will arrive?
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I am going through a difficult PHASE right now.

I have one subwoofer, F15 and trying to connect two systems to it. (2 channel audio and 2 channel HT) Both system do not have any digital processing. One connects Via RCA and the other via speaker level connection.

The Audio system connects via RCA, Phase is at 180, The HT system connects via Speaker level and phase is at 0. Can I reverse the speaker wire connections to make both in-sync without damaging the sub ?
Why the HT system connects via speaker level inputs? Does your receiver has subwoofer out?

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probably not the best place to ask but figure worth a shot. does anyone have any recommendations for either a quality soundbar or self-powered in-wall speakers (not even sure they exist)? i like watching my guilty pleasure tv shows in the living room and the built-in speakers on the tv are abysmal. i don't want speakers protruding from the wall though or have to buy another receiver because space is limited. i know i could use the multi-zone feature on my denon to power a pair but i'd have to walk downstairs to turn it on nevermind controlling it. i do have the tv hooked up to my home theater pc in the basement though which is pretty cool. i have a wireless keyboard that i created a hotkey for to switch the display between the projector & the tv. now i just need some better sound.

i was going to get these even though they stick out a little but then cancelled the order because i noticed they are ported on the rear and they'd be right up against the wall which isn't going to work.. https://www.amazon.com/Micca-PB42X-P...wered+speakers
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i have this soundbar in my bedroom and like it...https://www.accessories4less.com/mak...eceiver/1.html

i bought mine from gramophone so not advertising for a4l...

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probably not the best place to ask but figure worth a shot. does anyone have any recommendations for either a quality soundbar or self-powered in-wall speakers (not even sure they exist)? i like watching my guilty pleasure tv shows in the living room and the built-in speakers on the tv are abysmal. i don't want speakers protruding from the wall though or have to buy another receiver because space is limited. i know i could use the multi-zone feature on my denon to power a pair but i'd have to walk downstairs to turn it on nevermind controlling it. i do have the tv hooked up to my home theater pc in the basement though which is pretty cool. i have a wireless keyboard that i created a hotkey for to switch the display between the projector & the tv. now i just need some better sound.

i was going to get these even though they stick out a little but then cancelled the order because i noticed they are ported on the rear and they'd be right up against the wall which isn't going to work.. https://www.amazon.com/Micca-PB42X-P...wered+speakers
Before having a full receiver and 5.1 system in my bedroom, I had a Denon mini stereo system, D-M39S and it sounded amazing. The New model is the D-M41. It comes with speakers and the stereo receiver has subwoofer out. It sounds much better than a sound bar.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hifi/mini/dm41

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Well I made it to February, but am chomping at the bit for those F18 kits! I probably need to start building cabinets too. Enrico, do you have an estimated date when the container with the 18" drivers will arrive?
The container is arriving in about 12 days. I would say that by mid-February we should be able to start selling the DS1820 CI Kit.
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Why the HT system connects via speaker level inputs? Does your receiver has subwoofer out?

The RCA in is being used by the AUDIO System.
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I finally got my nad 777 in today and I finally got a chance to dialed in the f18. Damn this sub blows away my old SB13 by a mile. I also modify my svs isolation feets to fit on the f18. I am blown away, pun intended. Wow! Now I got to save up for a second one next year .

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After kinda setting up my f18 I was slightly disappointed with performance so far to be honest. Coming from a SB13 and this being an 18 incher I was expecting a little more output. Sounds very clean but again I was expecting more output. Not sure if all my settings are correct, maybe someone can tell me the best setting on the amp for more oomph. I do have a new receiver with dirac so I'm still experiencing with a lot of setting that I need to dial in.
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I finally got my nad 777 in today and I finally got a chance to dialed in the f18. Damn this sub blows away my old SB13 by a mile. I also modify my svs isolation feets to fit on the f18. I am blown away, pun intended. Wow! Now I got to save up for a second one next year .
Look like you got it all figured out. I like happy ending story
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