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I come in here every so often to check to see if there is anything new that would be make me want to upgrade my dual F25's that I got in 2016. I'm not interested in ported, so thankfully there hasn't been anything new available yet to tempt me into an unnecessary (but fun) upgrade. Any word on when the F28 or anything else non-ported that will overcome the F25 might be happening?
The G25HP is our response to the F25HP. It's basically a F25 with DS1520 drivers + HX2000XLR3 amp, same components found in the FV25HP. The G25HP is +3dB compared to F25.
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The G25HP is our response to the F25HP. It's basically a F25 with DS1520 drivers + HX2000XLR3 amp, same components found in the FV25HP. The G25HP is +3dB compared to F25.
Both are awesome, but I would think that the F25 would help more with height modes since its gets a vertical boost. Anyone measured that?

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When I got my 2x4 HD from parts express, I searched the site for coupons and a there was a $20 off one.
Thanks. I wasn't sure if people bought directly from miniDSP or if there were alternatives. I have seen their products listed on other vendor sites, but they're often more expensive.
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The G25HP is our response to the F25HP. It's basically a F25 with DS1520 drivers + HX2000XLR3 amp, same components found in the FV25HP. The G25HP is +3dB compared to F25.

An F28 was discussed back in 2016. Did that plan get scrapped? Or any other plans for a dual 18" sub?

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Thanks. I wasn't sure if people bought directly from miniDSP or if there were alternatives. I have seen their products listed on other vendor sites, but they're often more expensive.
I got mine from Deer Creek Audio which is were I found it cheaper when I got mine 2 years ago. I think they are still cheaper compared to Part Express.

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@enricoclaudio , with one of my L22's laying on its side, will it safely support 57 pounds if I want to use it as a speaker stand?

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@enricoclaudio , with one of my L22's laying on its side, will it safely support 57 pounds if I want to use it as a speaker stand?
Now I will preface this by saying I am not a large person, but I am heavier than 57 pounds and I used one of my F12s as a step stool recently. They are extremely tough.

As long as the weight is distributed I don't see a problem.
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Site preference for ordering a Rythmik subwoofer?

Is there a preferred way to order a Rythmik sub, e.g., ascendacoustics.com or rythmikaudio.com? Does it make any difference if support is required? Thanks.
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If you order from Ascend, you get support first from Ascend. If you order directly for us you get support either from me or from Brian. In case of warranty or returns, if you order from Ascend, it would be handle by Ascend, not by Rythmik.
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@enricoclaudio , with one of my L22's laying on its side, will it safely support 57 pounds if I want to use it as a speaker stand?

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If you do that, make sure the speaker is placed right in the center as there is a brace right at the center of the cabinet that divide the two drivers.

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If you order from Ascend, you get support first from Ascend. If you order directly for us you get support either from me or from Brian. In case of warranty or returns, if you order from Ascend, it would be handle by Ascend, not by Rythmik.
Thanks for the quick reply!
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My first demo recommendation is 24K Magic by Bruno Mars. That song sounds so good through the YouTube app on my Panasonic VT60 that I'm actually surprised. Locked Out of Heaven by Bruno Mars also sounds effing good. I feel like I could open a night club in my living room, and the sound seems to be pretty isolated. I've walked around my house with the AVR at reference level, or a few notches higher, and I really don't think my neighbors can be hearing it, or at least not to the point it would be disturbing them. However, in my living room the floor is shaking, the bass is tight, it's loud as eff and crystal clear and just sounds flipping awesome.

For my music listening, I have four Polk LSiM703s, a Polk LSiM706c center and two Rythmik F18-SEs running in nine channel stereo through a Yamaha RX-A3040. I think I have the crossover set at 90hz right now, but only because I've been messing around with various settings. Jesus, those two songs sound so good it makes me wish all of the source material through YouTube sounded that good.

Then again, maybe it's the beer.

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My first demo recommendation is 24K Magic by Bruno Mars. That song sounds so good through the YouTube app on my Panasonic VT60 that I'm actually surprised. Locked Out of Heaven by Bruno Mars also sounds effing good. I feel like I could open a night club in my living room, and the sound seems to be pretty isolated. I've walked around my house with the AVR at reference level, or a few notches higher, and I really don't think my neighbors can be hearing it, or at least not to the point it would be disturbing them. However, in my living room the floor is shaking, the bass is tight, it's loud as eff and crystal clear and just sounds flipping awesome.

For my music listening, I have four Polk LSiM703s, a Polk LSiM706c center and two Rythmik F18-SEs running in nine channel stereo through a Yamaha RX-A3040. I think I have the crossover set at 90hz right now, but only because I've been messing around with various settings. Jesus, those two songs sound so good it makes me wish all of the source material through YouTube sounded that good.

Then again, maybe it's the beer.
Are you using the rumble filter?

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Are you using the rumble filter?
To be honest, I would have to check, but I'm pretty sure it's turned on because I've also been watching some home theater stuff and it just seemed easier to leave it on.
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To be honest, I would have to check, but I'm pretty sure it's turned on because I've also been watching some home theater stuff and it just seemed easier to leave it on.
I wondered because that feature will be of benefit if you want to reduce output below 20Hz to keep the neighbors happy. Test it both ways to see how it "feels". I prefer it off, but I don't listen at crazy enough levels that the neighbors (townhome) would notice. I do like the extra rumble I get with it off. OFF will reduce max SPL because those frequencies require large excursion and amp power.

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My first demo recommendation is 24K Magic by Bruno Mars. That song sounds so good through the YouTube app on my Panasonic VT60 that I'm actually surprised. Locked Out of Heaven by Bruno Mars also sounds effing good. I feel like I could open a night club in my living room, and the sound seems to be pretty isolated. I've walked around my house with the AVR at reference level, or a few notches higher, and I really don't think my neighbors can be hearing it, or at least not to the point it would be disturbing them. However, in my living room the floor is shaking, the bass is tight, it's loud as eff and crystal clear and just sounds flipping awesome.

For my music listening, I have four Polk LSiM703s, a Polk LSiM706c center and two Rythmik F18-SEs running in nine channel stereo through a Yamaha RX-A3040. I think I have the crossover set at 90hz right now, but only because I've been messing around with various settings. Jesus, those two songs sound so good it makes me wish all of the source material through YouTube sounded that good.

Then again, maybe it's the beer.
9 channel stereo?
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I wondered because that feature will be of benefit if you want to reduce output below 20Hz to keep the neighbors happy. Test it both ways to see how it "feels". I prefer it off, but I don't listen at crazy enough levels that the neighbors (townhome) would notice. I do like the extra rumble I get with it off. OFF will reduce max SPL because those frequencies require large excursion and amp power.
I'll check that out.

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9 channel stereo?
It's a setting on my Yamaha AVR. I guess it just sends a signal to all speakers as opposed to two channel which would just use the front left & right, which is also an option. I kinda like the nine-channel configuration. It's much more enveloping, but two channel is also nice.
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Is the F8 discontinued?


I was interested in having Salk Sound build be a custom pair of F8's to match (and use as bases) for my 3-way monitors, but Jim is under the impression they're discontinued?

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Is the F8 discontinued?


I was interested in having Salk Sound build be a custom pair of F8's to match (and use as bases) for my 3-way monitors, but Jim is under the impression they're discontinued?
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F8.html

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I’m starting to consider selling my Monolith 7X amp to fund another FV18. I’ve never ran duals and my space is an open floor plan so it would be nice. One is insane, couldn’t imagine 2.

The wife seems to now be ok with the one I have so evening out the look of my room should be ok right?
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I was interested in having Salk Sound build be a custom pair of F8's to match (and use as bases) for my 3-way monitors, but Jim is under the impression they're discontinued?
Yes, the F8 has been discontinued due to very low demand We have a few F8s in stock and as soon they are sold, it will be gone for good. We don't have any more CI kits in stock and that's why Jim told you it's not available anymore.

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I was interested in having Salk Sound build be a custom pair of F8's to match (and use as bases) for my 3-way monitors, but Jim is under the impression they're discontinued?

They are not discontinued yet. But we won't stock more inventory once the current batch runs out. We already run out of black matte finish. F8 is a very niche product.
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They are not discontinued yet. But we won't stock more inventory once the current batch runs out. We already run out of black matte finish. F8 is a very niche product.
Gotta say when looking at it I couldn't understand who would buy it. More expensive than than an L22 with less output. Still...

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Gotta say when looking at it I couldn't understand who would buy it. More expensive than than an L22 with less output. Still...
It's just a footprint issue. My system is a hybrid HT/2 channel system so I have a big home theater subwoofer for LFE and summed bass frequencies, but for the separate 2 channel signal path I also like using stereo subs to extend the range of the 2 channel system. I don't have much real estate up in the front stage, so all I have room for are 8" (I might be able to squeeze 10" subs in there).

I'm currently using Velodyne SPL800R subs for that, but I was hoping to upgrade to something that digs deeper, has more output and sounds tighter/cleaner. I have an L12 in a different system, so I know that I really love the Rythmik sound, but that's all that I can fit in my system.

It would also have made sense as I could have had Jim Salk build them to be the exact same width and match the veneer exactly with my 3-way monitors. But now I need to go back to the drawing board. I just don't have room for the L22 footprint and also putting the monitors on top of L22's makes the tweeter over 4 inches too high for my listening position.
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It's just a footprint issue. My system is a hybrid HT/2 channel system so I have a big home theater subwoofer for LFE and summed bass frequencies, but for the separate 2 channel signal path I also like using stereo subs to extend the range of the 2 channel system. I don't have much real estate up in the front stage, so all I have room for are 8" (I might be able to squeeze 10" subs in there).

I'm currently using Velodyne SPL800R subs for that, but I was hoping to upgrade to something that digs deeper, has more output and sounds tighter/cleaner. I have an L12 in a different system, so I know that I really love the Rythmik sound, but that's all that I can fit in my system.

It would also have made sense as I could have had Jim Salk build them to be the exact same width and match the veneer exactly with my 3-way monitors. But now I need to go back to the drawing board. I just don't have room for the L22 footprint and also putting the monitors on top of L22's makes the tweeter over 4 inches too high for my listening position.
I need to talk to Brian about this as we may need to keep some stock of DS800 drivers + HX580 amps because those are the components Jim Salk use on the Exotica 3 Tower. I will let you know what I found after talking this with Brian.
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I need to talk to Brian about this as we may need to keep some stock of DS800 drivers + HX580 amps because those are the components Jim Salk use on the Exotica 3 Tower. I will let you know what I found after talking this with Brian.
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I wondered because that feature will be of benefit if you want to reduce output below 20Hz to keep the neighbors happy. Test it both ways to see how it "feels". I prefer it off, but I don't listen at crazy enough levels that the neighbors (townhome) would notice. I do like the extra rumble I get with it off. OFF will reduce max SPL because those frequencies require large excursion and amp power.
I turned the rumble filters off and can't say there was a discernible difference. It still sounded great. Maybe if I listen for a while with them off and turn them back on I will be able to tell. I'm not sure what the frequency range is for these particular songs. 24K Magic has great bass, imo.
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It's just a footprint issue. My system is a hybrid HT/2 channel system so I have a big home theater subwoofer for LFE and summed bass frequencies, but for the separate 2 channel signal path I also like using stereo subs to extend the range of the 2 channel system. I don't have much real estate up in the front stage, so all I have room for are 8" (I might be able to squeeze 10" subs in there).
Here's something to think about.

Say you have two subwoofer setups. One for home theater, one for stereo music listening.

For the home theater sub system, you go through the effort to find optimal placement so you get the best bass you can.

For the stereo setup, your sub locations are not determined based on acoustics, but on physical proximity with the mains.

You switch on the stereo setup. Now how likely is it that your front speaker locations are ideal for bass? How likely is it that they can match your HT sub in terms of flatness of frequency response, being that your HT sub location(s) was/were chosen based on how it interacts with the room to produce a good response at your seat? It wouldn't surprise me if one starts to see a flaw in the reasoning for stereo subs.

I know some would argue for stereo bass, but IMO, the best sub setup is the one that is the best for the room. It will then be best for all material
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Here's something to think about.

Say you have two subwoofer setups. One for home theater, one for stereo music listening.

For the home theater sub system, you go through the effort to find optimal placement so you get the best bass you can.

For the stereo setup, your sub locations are not determined based on acoustics, but on physical proximity with the mains.

You switch on the stereo setup. Now how likely is it that your front speaker locations are ideal for bass? How likely is it that they can match your HT sub in terms of flatness of frequency response, being that your HT sub location(s) was/were chosen based on how it interacts with the room to produce a good response at your seat? It wouldn't surprise me if one starts to see a flaw in the reasoning for stereo subs.

I know some would argue for stereo bass, but IMO, the best sub setup is the one that is the best for the room. It will then be best for all material
I do understand that approach, there's just no real practical way to achieve that in a system with separate HT and 2 channel signal paths.

I still use the front stereo subs for home theater, they end up being part of the main l/r signal. Typically they get crossed to the main HT sub at 40Hz, and sometimes for late night viewing I set the front L/R to full range and LFE to front L/R so as not to disturb my wife and daughter as much.

Also, I use a miniDSP DDRC-22D to perform Dirac Live room correction on the stereo subs (and the front L/R speakers) in the 2 channel signal path, so I get a pretty nice and flat corrected response out of the stereo subs.

2 channel listening is the main priority in the system and the Esoteric SA-50/Wyred4Sound STP-SE/Krell KAV do a much better job with 2 channel music than the Denon receiver. does. I'm just trying to find ways to improve the low end response in the 2 channel system within the footprint limitations that I currently have. I also have a Paradigm Monitor SUB-10 in my desktop system. I can move the Velodynes out and find another SUB-10, which will probably make a small improvement but I'm sure the Rythmiks would be a more significant step up.

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