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I do understand that approach, there's just no real practical way to achieve that in a system with separate HT and 2 channel signal paths.

I still use the front stereo subs for home theater, they end up being part of the main l/r signal. Typically they get crossed to the main HT sub at 40Hz, and sometimes for late night viewing I set the front L/R to full range and LFE to front L/R so as not to disturb my wife and daughter as much.

Also, I use a miniDSP DDRC-22D to perform Dirac Live room correction on the stereo subs (and the front L/R speakers) in the 2 channel signal path, so I get a pretty nice and flat corrected response out of the stereo subs.

2 channel listening is the main priority in the system and the Esoteric SA-50/Wyred4Sound STP-SE/Krell KAV do a much better job with 2 channel music than the Denon receiver. does. I'm just trying to find ways to improve the low end response in the 2 channel system within the footprint limitations that I currently have. I also have a Paradigm Monitor SUB-10 in my desktop system. I can move the Velodynes out and find another SUB-10, which will probably make a small improvement but I'm sure the Rythmiks would be a more significant step up.
That philosophy works great until you pop in a jazz CD recorded in 1963 that has the double bass recorded and mixed all the way to the edge of the left channel. Then, not so much.

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It looks great, but the sub locations were likely not chosen by acoustic measurement. If that is the best place for them, they are lucky.
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It looks great, but the sub locations were likely not chosen by acoustic measurement. If that is the best place for them, they are lucky.
It sounds amazing, I also like the uniformity as well. I am sure I could get a few percent more out of them with an uneven placement but this works great for me and 2 channel is breathtaking. I am done for now, my quest for what I want is over....for now

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It sounds amazing, I also like the uniformity as well. I am sure I could get a few percent more out of them with an uneven placement but this works great for me and 2 channel is breathtaking. I am done for now, my quest for what I want is over....for now

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Your results are what matters most. Congrats on owning some of the baddest subs out there. I don't think I'll ever own G25s, but who knows! I'm sure at some point I thought I'd never have 2 subs of any kind.
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Brian, Enrico, will there be a non hp version of the G25hp (called G25) that uses the same amp and drivers as the F25 but in the dual opposed cabinet? This will be perfect for those who like the DO design and don’t need high output and/or don’t want to spend >$2k.
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Brian, Enrico, will there be a non hp version of the G25hp (called G25) that uses the same amp and drivers as the F25 but in the dual opposed cabinet? This will be perfect for those who like the DO design and don’t need high output and/or don’t want to spend >$2k.
Doesn't need high output?
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Doesn’t sound right, does it? How about a more affordable dual opposed design from Rythmik, the G25?
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After visiting Chucky7 and Edoggrc51 last week, I had an itch so I went home and cranked my system up as I have not done so for a long while. I was playing the Pulse server scene at reference MV with subs +8 hot with dyneq ON and I was smiling the whole time. Later on that day, I was driving my family to dinner, my daughter said what were you playing upstairs that caused window and blinds in my room downstairs to shake so violently? My wife added the wall in our master bed was flexing. I smiled and replied ‘Yes, successful’. My wife and daughter had that confused faces at my reply. Priceless moment . My daughter room and my master bedroom are downstairs at the opposite side of my theater. I did not know my subs could do that, wow just amazing
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Brian, Enrico, will there be a non hp version of the G25hp (called G25) that uses the same amp and drivers as the F25 but in the dual opposed cabinet? This will be perfect for those who like the DO design and don’t need high output and/or don’t want to spend >$2k.
To do that we need to make a new cabinet as the current G25HP cabinet amp cut out is designed for the HX2000XLR3 amp, which is bigger than the HX800XLR3 amp. If we arrive to a point that the G25 (non HP) becomes a possible option, most likely we would stop F25 production as both models would be very similar in terms of output and frequency response.

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^^ No chance to have both F25 and G25 as options? Choices are good, at least for consumers.
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^^ No chance to have both F25 and G25 as options? Choices are good, at least for consumers.
More choices? Right now we offer 17 different finished subwoofer models and about 12 custom install kit options. Some of the 17 finished subwoofers are offered in three finishes, 4 different amp options and 2 drivers finish options. That means about 80+ finished subwoofers combinations and endless designs options if you go with DIY. I can assure you that there is no subwoofer company in planet Earth that offers so many models/options as Rythmik Audio does

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^^ No chance to have both F25 and G25 as options? Choices are good, at least for consumers.
More choices? Right now we offer 17 different finished subwoofer models and about 12 custom install kit options. Some of the 17 finished subwoofers are offered in three finishes, 4 different amp options and 2 drivers finish options. That means about 80+ finished subwoofers combinations and endless designs options if you go with DIY. I can assure you that there is no subwoofer company in planet Earth that offers so many models/options as Rythmik Audio does [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
I have had this thought lately. Still, I told myself the other day if I ever move to a bigger room, the F12s will probably change to F25s. I like the idea of a vertical orientation to save floor space and to get at the room's height modes, at least a little.

Can you explain the strengths of the G25 vs the F25?

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It's done!!!

So since integrating the F18SE into my setup running rew (finally) doing the sub distance tweak (7ms to both front and rear sub) and playing around with the settings on the sub (rumble filter off, high damping/ 12hz my jaw has been on the floor more than once! ever hear a subwoofer setup play bass guitar? brass? strings? well that's what it means to have articulation and distortion free bass regardless of note needing reproducing! Here's one of my make it or break it subs on or off disc! I happy to say since the balance is fully there its mostly on these days after much of this hobby pure uncut straight 2/ch, few things needed to happen that new Audyssey app for one limiting correction to only 250hz on the mains is just killer for 2/ch and movies with all else cut off at 5000hz

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Hi all.. soon to be new time Rythmik owner. I have ordered 2 F8SE’s for my 2 channel audio playback. I see that Erinco and Brian (and probably other Rythmik staff) are active here and want to say thanks to them for assisting with my many questions on the F8’s earlier this week via email (this is “rj84..”)

I had a lot of questions because I currently own dual PB16’s which are great for HT but not so great for music so I wanted something that would give me the most accuracy.. and not so worried about output because I have a newborn and have to keep it down for the time being. A friend of mine has a pair of F8’s and he absolutely swears by them for musical accuracy so I went ahead and made the purchase.

Then I found about the G25HP’s and was trying to figure out if I should forgo the F8’s and sell the PB16’s and just get dual G25HP’s but my main concern was if the G25HP’s would be able to offer the same ultra accurate response as the F8’s considering the driver size. So after a lot of consideration I decided to stick with my dual F8SE’s and still plan to run the PB16’s for HT. It’s going to be a bit of a pita as I’m going to run all 4 subs through a miniDSP2x4HD and use the different mDSP presets to use the F8’s for stereo audio and another preset for the PB16’s HT. I will likely have different XT32 calibration profiles I’ll load when switching between the subs..

Am I crazy for thinking the response should be slightly more accurate on the F8’s compared to the G25HP’s due to the weight/size difference of the drivers?
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@enricoclaudio I just wanted to say thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it. I am enjoying the heck out of these!! (and yes, I know the candle holders are distracting, but its for the WAF )
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Hi all.. soon to be new time Rythmik owner. I have ordered 2 F8SE’s for my 2 channel audio playback. I see that Erinco and Brian (and probably other Rythmik staff) are active here and want to say thanks to them for assisting with my many questions on the F8’s earlier this week via email (this is “rj84..”)

I had a lot of questions because I currently own dual PB16’s which are great for HT but not so great for music so I wanted something that would give me the most accuracy.. and not so worried about output because I have a newborn and have to keep it down for the time being. A friend of mine has a pair of F8’s and he absolutely swears by them for musical accuracy so I went ahead and made the purchase.

Then I found about the G25HP’s and was trying to figure out if I should forgo the F8’s and sell the PB16’s and just get dual G25HP’s but my main concern was if the G25HP’s would be able to offer the same ultra accurate response as the F8’s considering the driver size. So after a lot of consideration I decided to stick with my dual F8SE’s and still plan to run the PB16’s for HT. It’s going to be a bit of a pita as I’m going to run all 4 subs through a miniDSP2x4HD and use the different mDSP presets to use the F8’s for stereo audio and another preset for the PB16’s HT. I will likely have different XT32 calibration profiles I’ll load when switching between the subs..

Am I crazy for thinking the response should be slightly more accurate on the F8’s compared to the G25HP’s due to the weight/size difference of the drivers?

Driver distortion is a function of cone stiffness and amplifier characteristics among other things. A larger, heavier cone driven by a more powerful (or at least lower output impedance) can have lower distortion up to the point of cone breakdown. There are other factors like thermal heating and such. The Rythmik's servo design substantially reduces the difference so a G25 is essentially as clean as an F8, though will not play as high, and produces significantly more output. Higher output capability generally means lower distortion at lower output levels although, again, the servo greatly helps in that regard.

Other than a different output (target) curve for HT I cannot imagine why you'd want to deal with two different sub setups. And accurately aligning ported to sealed subs is quite a challenge. If you only have space and funds for two, get the G25's and call it a day. If you have room for four, then four F8's might do a better job at providing the best in-room experience without jumping through a bunch of hoops to change from music to HT. Disclaimer: I have enough issues dealing with getting subs and mains integrated well that I wouldn't want to deal with two setups, and IME/IMO what is great for music works for HT and vice-versa. Why would you want less-accurate bass for HT?

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@enricoclaudio I just wanted to say thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it. I am enjoying the heck out of these!! (and yes, I know the candle holders are distracting, but its for the WAF )
MANY folk here would be quite happy if all it took to achieve WAF nirvana was a pair of candlesticks...

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@enricoclaudio I just wanted to say thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it. I am enjoying the heck out of these!! (and yes, I know the candle holders are distracting, but its for the WAF )
I wish I only had candles. My wife will not budge on the giant mirrors behind my tv. Lol

She has accepted the FV18 in our main and only living room so I will deal with it. . Hopefully 2 won’t throw her in a tailspin. Lol
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So since integrating the F18SE into my setup running rew (finally) doing the sub distance tweak (7ms to both front and rear sub) and playing around with the settings on the sub (rumble filter off, high damping/ 12hz my jaw has been on the floor more than once! ever hear a subwoofer setup play bass guitar? brass? strings? well that's what it means to have articulation and distortion free bass regardless of note needing reproducing! Here's one of my make it or break it subs on or off disc! I happy to say since the balance is fully there its mostly on these days after much of this hobby pure uncut straight 2/ch, few things needed to happen that new Audyssey app for one limiting correction to only 250hz on the mains is just killer for 2/ch and movies with all else cut off at 5000hz

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I wish I only had candles. My wife will not budge on the giant mirrors behind my tv. Lol

She has accepted the FV18 in our main and only living room so I will deal with it. . Hopefully 2 won’t throw her in a tailspin. Lol
HAHA!! Yeah, she's been very accepting of all the changes and "upgrades" and whatnot. It's the least I could do for her.

She now understands my obsession with good video and audio quality.
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@enricoclaudio I just wanted to say thank you for all your help, I really appreciate it. I am enjoying the heck out of these!! (and yes, I know the candle holders are distracting, but its for the WAF )
Beautiful setup!! Congratulations... and I like the candle holders
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Am I crazy for thinking the response should be slightly more accurate on the F8’s compared to the G25HP’s due to the weight/size difference of the drivers?
I'm evaluation a G25HP now and posted a review on the F8 about 3 years ago so I have first hand experience with both of them.

Due to the larger drivers and more powerful amp the G25HP has more presence than the F8 but I don't know that it's any less articulate, to me they sound equally precise. What speakers are you using? That can factor in when deciding how big/small a subwoofer to get.

 
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^^ Talk about the G25hp, when are you going to publish your review, Mr. jman?
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I'm evaluation a G25HP now and posted a review on the F8 about 3 years ago so I have first hand experience with both of them.

Due to the larger drivers and more powerful amp the G25HP has more presence than the F8 but I don't know that it's any less articulate, to me they sound equally precise. What speakers are you using? That can factor in when deciding how big/small a subwoofer to get.
Kinda late He already contacted us to change his 2 x F8SE order for a pair of G25HPs in Piano Black. I think this is the best choice for him as he can run the G25HPs for music and movies and sell the pair of PB16-Ultras. BTW, his room is 1300 cu ft
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Is the F8 discontinued?


I was interested in having Salk Sound build be a custom pair of F8's to match (and use as bases) for my 3-way monitors, but Jim is under the impression they're discontinued?
Hey Nick, spoke with Brian today and we are going to keep some stock/inventory of DS800 drivers and HX580 amps for Jim Salk so he can use them to build custom F8s and Exotica 3 speakers. Please, call Jim Salk and let him know that he can order the kits from us to build your custom F8s.
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Kinda late He already contacted us to change his 2 x F8SE order for a pair of G25HPs in Piano Black. I think this is the best choice for him as he can run the G25HPs for music and movies and sell the pair of PB16-Ultras. BTW, his room is 1300 cu ft
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Kinda late He already contacted us to change his 2 x F8SE order for a pair of G25HPs in Piano Black. I think this is the best choice for him as he can run the G25HPs for music and movies and sell the pair of PB16-Ultras. BTW, his room is 1300 cu ft
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