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Me and a friend once rolled a 36" tube tv up three flights of stairs to a 3rd story apartment. With packaging, it probably weighed close to 300 lbs. Before taking that approach, we tried to use a hand truck and couldn't get it up a single step. I think we just started laughing at that point. There may have been some beer involved. Rolling it in the box was much easier. Based upon how my F18s were packaged, I suspect that approach would probably work fine with a sub. Sliding it up the steps would probably be a bit safer, but likely much more difficult.
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Me and a friend once rolled a 36" tube tv up three flights of stairs to a 3rd story apartment. With packaging, it probably weighed close to 300 lbs. Before taking that approach, we tried to use a hand truck and couldn't get it up a single step. I think we just started laughing at that point. There may have been some beer involved. Rolling it in the box was much easier. Based upon how my F18s were packaged, I suspect that approach would probably work fine with a sub. Sliding it up the steps would probably be a bit safer, but likely much more difficult.


Ha! The fact that you are referencing a tube TV probably makes you closer to my age 51. I had a Mits 40” tube TV that I bought in 1995 when I first got married that was like moving a small car!


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We had one of those Sony Wega TVs in college. Man, what a tank that was. Lol
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We had one of those Sony Wega TVs in college. Man, what a tank that was. Lol


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I still have my 36in wega in my basement...free to whoever wants to move it.
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Me and a friend once rolled a 36" tube tv up three flights of stairs to a 3rd story apartment. With packaging, it probably weighed close to 300 lbs. Before taking that approach, we tried to use a hand truck and couldn't get it up a single step. I think we just started laughing at that point. There may have been some beer involved. Rolling it in the box was much easier. Based upon how my F18s were packaged, I suspect that approach would probably work fine with a sub. Sliding it up the steps would probably be a bit safer, but likely much more difficult.
Pushed a 150lb bed in a box up the stairs this way, too. A hand truck would just make it harder.

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Me and a friend once rolled a 36" tube tv up three flights of stairs to a 3rd story apartment. With packaging, it probably weighed close to 300 lbs. Before taking that approach, we tried to use a hand truck and couldn't get it up a single step. I think we just started laughing at that point. There may have been some beer involved. Rolling it in the box was much easier. Based upon how my F18s were packaged, I suspect that approach would probably work fine with a sub. Sliding it up the steps would probably be a bit safer, but likely much more difficult.
I had to move a 36 inch CRT TV out to the curb a few years ago.... it wasn't 300lbs but it was annoying, heavy, and awkward. The new 75 inch TV I was able to hang on the wall alone.... funny how things have changed

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Ha! The fact that you are referencing a tube TV probably makes you closer to my age 51. I had a Mits 40” tube TV that I bought in 1995 when I first got married that was like moving a small car!


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I just turned 53. My best friend had the 40” Mitsubishi. I never had to help him move it, but we played a lot of PlayStation on that TV. My 36” Sony Wega is sitting in my garage taking up floor space. It needs some repairs, and I always thought I would get it fixed, but at this point I would probably pay someone to come haul it off.
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I had to move a 36 inch CRT TV out to the curb a few years ago.... it wasn't 300lbs but it was annoying, heavy, and awkward. The new 75 inch TV I was able to hang on the wall alone.... funny how things have changed

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I believe the 36” Sony tubes were between 250-275 pounds without packaging. Mine was an XBR400 and it had no built in handles. Who makes that design decision?
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Pushed a 150lb bed in a box up the stairs this way, too. A hand truck would just make it harder.
It was amazing how much easier it was to move that television without the hand truck. Maybe if we had a proper hand truck for the job it would have helped, but considering how much effort we expended without moving it a single step it was shockingly easy to roll it up the stairs.
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I just turned 53. My best friend had the 40” Mitsubishi. I never had to help him move it, but we played a lot of PlayStation on that TV. My 36” Sony Wega is sitting in my garage taking up floor space. It needs some repairs, and I always thought I would get it fixed, but at this point I would probably pay someone to come haul it off.


Ha I think the first thing I watched on it was Lion King on VHS!


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I just turned 53. My best friend had the 40” Mitsubishi. I never had to help him move it, but we played a lot of PlayStation on that TV. My 36” Sony Wega is sitting in my garage taking up floor space. It needs some repairs, and I always thought I would get it fixed, but at this point I would probably pay someone to come haul it off.
Those Sony Wegas had the "flat" screen and the glass was super thick. My brother had a small one in his room as a kid. Very heavy

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Amazing how fast a thread can be derail, and not helping with this post.

For moving heavy stuff, my wife been smaller than me (I only weight 128lb). Move furniture around the house all the time with no hand truck, since She get bored with the look
And we are talking oversize furniture, and also know my Theater is Off Limit.

Now back to subject at hand.


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The G25HP is one heckuva subwoofer, but going from ported to sealed might give you a different result than you're anticipating. Ported tend to have a distinct 'presence' to them, while sealed generally blend into the background a bit more. You might want to consider the FV15HP instead. It will have some of the ported characteristics you probably enjoy from the PB-4000, but it will be every bit as precise as Rythmik is known for. As a bonus, it's actually a bit smaller than the PB-4000 and less costly than the G25HP. Could be a best-of-both-worlds scenario for you.
Wow, maybe I should look into this. I'm primarily movies/gaming, very little music these days..which is why I always go ported. BUt I'll look into it!
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All rythmik subs are regarded as “tight” so I would think it more from sense of what you are trying to achieve and your room will be a key part of it. So some details on your room, listening habits and music vs movies would be helpful. You have a ported sub now so going sealed would be a change


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Almost always movies/gaming. I just feel like the 4000 lacked some clarity. THe bass sounds great, but sometimes too boomy. If that makes sense? Somebody else suggested the FV15 so maybe I'll look into that one.
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Almost always movies/gaming. I just feel like the 4000 lacked some clarity. THe bass sounds great, but sometimes too boomy. If that makes sense? Somebody else suggested the FV15 so maybe I'll look into that one.

Not that I want to talk you out of a Rythmik purchase but you sure you have it calibrated right? I haven't heard the PB4000, so maybe it is boomy. My FV25HP's were a bit boomy when I first hooked them up but after level matching them and having some help with Mini DSP they are all good now. There are a few dips, but nothing crazy at this point.



*This is only true for my room situation*
The G25HP was much easier to dial in and get sounding fantastic. The FV25HP's were a bit of a chore. The low end on the FV25 cannot be ignored, it is spectacular. Explosions actually give me an adrenaline rush. They are anxiety inducing subwoofers. The G25 was just pleasant in all frequencies and sounded so good, I would definitely buy them again in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, the G25's also have a ton of output! More than all 4 of my prior subs.



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Not that I want to talk you out of a Rythmik purchase but you sure you have it calibrated right? I haven't heard the PB4000, so maybe it is boomy. My FV25HP's were a bit boomy when I first hooked them up but after level matching them and having some help with Mini DSP they are all good now. There are a few dips, but nothing crazy at this point.



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The G25HP was much easier to dial in and get sounding fantastic. The FV25HP's were a bit of a chore. The low end on the FV25 cannot be ignored, it is spectacular. Explosions actually give me an adrenaline rush. They are anxiety inducing subwoofers. The G25 was just pleasant in all frequencies and sounded so good, I would definitely buy them again in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, the G25's also have a ton of output! More than all 4 of my prior subs.
This has me thinking: the F25 doesn't get enough love lately.

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Here's an idea: a couple of DIY F25HPs using the latest 15" drivers and HP amps. Would be pretty sweet.

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I heard a set up with dual F25’s a few weeks back. They sounded amazing.

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Wow, maybe I should look into this. I'm primarily movies/gaming, very little music these days..which is why I always go ported. BUt I'll look into it!
If the PB-4000 has sufficient output, and is only lacking in detail, than the FV15 would be a good choice. As a few others have mentioned, some consideration might be given to the FV-18 or FV-25 as well. If you're going to make an upgrade now might be the time to get some extra horsepower. It's unlikely that you'll regret going a bit further, but history suggests it is likely you'd regret not doing it.
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Almost always movies/gaming. I just feel like the 4000 lacked some clarity. THe bass sounds great, but sometimes too boomy. If that makes sense? Somebody else suggested the FV15 so maybe I'll look into that one.
I would seriously consider the FV18 with paper cone. How big is your room?
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You all are a tremendous resource...much appreciated! My new pair of FV25HPs are due to ship late this week. Very excited, but nervous just the same. Are there any suggestions on initial settings to use for integration. They are going into my dedicated media room 15' wide x 28' long, 8' ceiling. Basement 1/2" drywall, no windows, carpet and 1/2" pad over concrete slab. Both subs will be replacing a Wisdom STS in the rear of my room and each sub will be pretty much exactly equidistant from the MLP on the back wall. There are two rows of theater seating and GIK acoustical treatments on all walls, bass traps in corners. TYIA - Paul

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Yes you did and I'm still very happy with them.
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You all are a tremendous resource...much appreciated! My new pair of FV25HPs are due to ship late this week. Very excited, but nervous just the same. Are there any suggestions on initial settings to use for integration. They are going into my dedicated media room 15' wide x 28' long, 8' ceiling. Basement 1/2" drywall, no windows, carpet and 1/2" pad over concrete slab. Both subs will be replacing a Wisdom STS in the rear of my room and each sub will be pretty much exactly equidistant from the MLP on the back wall. There are two rows of theater seating and GIK acoustical treatments on all walls, bass traps in corners. TYIA - Paul



Also, my pre-pro is a Marantz AV8805...I do currently bypass Audyssey in the Marantz and Use Dirac Live for Room Correction. Ha, its a long expensive lesson of a story!
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You all are a tremendous resource...much appreciated! My new pair of FV25HPs are due to ship late this week. Very excited, but nervous just the same. Are there any suggestions on initial settings to use for integration. They are going into my dedicated media room 15' wide x 28' long, 8' ceiling. Basement 1/2" drywall, no windows, carpet and 1/2" pad over concrete slab. Both subs will be replacing a Wisdom STS in the rear of my room and each sub will be pretty much exactly equidistant from the MLP on the back wall. There are two rows of theater seating and GIK acoustical treatments on all walls, bass traps in corners. TYIA - Paul

Also, my pre-pro is a Marantz AV8805...I do currently bypass Audyssey in the Marantz and Use Dirac Live for Room Correction. Ha, its a long expensive lesson of a story!
How do you bypass Audyssey? With a miniDSP DDRC-88A? Let me tell you another history. I'm a HUGE fan of Dirac and a HUGE hater of Audyssey. I just cannot stand how Audyssey makes my music sound. For movies, I can live with Audyssey. I have an Emotiva XMC-1 with Dirac Live and I love it. But recently I did install ATMOS speakers and because my XMC-1 is not ATMOS capable I decided to try a Denon X6500H for movies only. After figuring the way, I'm running right now dual processors: Emotiva XMC-1 for music and Denon X6500H for movies. I did run Audyssey and while I like the results for movies, still I didn't like for music. I did run Audyssey from the receiver, not the app. Last month after the app got the update that does not roll off LFE channel at 20Hz, I decided to try the MultiEQ Editor App. To my surprise the results are amazing, to the point that I was able to get very similar results for music with the Denon and the Emotiva. Still Dirac has the edge for music but for movies, Audyssey is a really hard contender after the app update. Just my 2 cents.

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How do you bypass Audyssey? With a miniDSP DDRC-88A? Let me tell you another history. I'm a HUGE fan of Dirac and a HUGE hater of Audyssey. I just cannot stand how Audyssey makes my music sound. For movies, I can live with Audyssey. I have an Emotiva XMC-1 with Dirac Live and I love it. But recently I did install ATMOS speakers and because my XMC-1 is not ATMOS capable I decided to try a Denon X6500H for movies only. After figuring the way, I'm running right now dual processors: Emotiva XMC-1 for music and Denon X6500H for movies. I did run Audyssey and while I like the results for movies, still I didn't like for music. I did run Audyssey from the receiver, not the app. Last month after the app got the update that does not roll off LFE channel at 20Hz, I decided to try the MultiEQ Editor App. To my surprise the results are amazing, to the point that I was able to get very similar results for music with the Denon and the Emotiva. Still Dirac has the edge for music but for movies, Audyssey is a really hard contender after the app update. Just my 2 cents.


Thank you...I’ll have to give Audyssey a try again with the app upgrade once the subs arrive. I used to have a wisdom Audio Sage speaker system in the room (thus the STS sub). I removed it but still use their SC3 system controller for 16 channel Dirac Live calibration because I couldn’t get things to sound good with Audyssey. So basically the SC3 is now a very expensive DL Room Correction tool. The SC3 allows 16 Balanced in and 32 Balanced out of DL calibrated channels. All the Wisdom speakers required bi-amplification, thus the 32 out.


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Hey me too, hope to get it by the end of the week

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Cool...hopefully we can newbie through things together!


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