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I have only really listened to the F18s for a few hours. The G25HP's I tried in every configuration for many many hours. I think the G25HP is the finest sounding sub I have ever heard. It keeps it tight and clean even at really high volumes. I will mess with the F18 a lot over this weekend. I haven't tried it with movies yet, and the G25HP was amazing with movies. I am glad I have a tight, manageable system again.



Sound quality is probably so close that I could not really justify a winner. The G25HP is just more!!


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I always preach all the sound quality accolades worthless unless know how loud they play in given size room. my sealed velodyne hgs 12 of 20 yrs could play clean at 110 db in 20k cuft....my rythmik ported fv15hp hit 117db and my fv25hp hit 124db...obviously if I add subs the spl numbers increase. if you only listen 105db max and listen in a small space you probably dont need a whole lot.

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I always preach all the sound quality accolades worthless unless know how loud they play in given size room. my sealed velodyne hgs 12 of 20 yrs could play clean at 110 db in 20k cuft....my rythmik ported fv15hp hit 117db and my fv25hp hit 124db...obviously if I add subs the spl numbers increase. if you only listen 105db max and listen in a small space you probably dont need a whole lot.
Something isn't adding up here. 20,000 cubic feet? Surely that's a typo.

And, FV15HP is capable of 106.6dB at 20Hz.
FV25HP, 113.6dB at 20Hz.

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Something isn't adding up here. 20,000 cubic feet? Surely that's a typo.

And, FV15HP is capable of 106.6dB at 20Hz.
FV25HP, 113.6dB at 20Hz.

my mains can do 115db...at 80hz tho


20k isnt a typo, might be larger....30x50x14 open on both sides to exterior hallways.



I have posted all these rews before...my point is more people should be comparing stuff by spl and size of space.

imo the fv25hp would be too much bass in normal room.

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my mains can do 115db...at 80hz tho


20k isnt a typo, might be larger....30x50x14 open on both sides to exterior hallways.



I have posted all these rews before...my point is more people should be comparing stuff by spl and size of space.

imo the fv25hp would be too much bass in normal room.
Is there a thing as too much bass though?

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Is there a thing as too much bass though?

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Is there a thing as too much bass though?

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I have some tiny audioengine desktop powered monitors in my off ice now with velodyne hgs 12. I can rattle everything off the walls. so yea, in my case with tiny little desktop speakers its too much sub.


in my main listening area, I need 3 more fv25hp's....even tho I can hit high spl, in such a large space getting no reverby bass. the audiophiles at my dealer love my sound and say dont change a thing, but I do want some more bass...just enough were it can destroy all my wifes wall hangings/decorations....but ofc I never turn it up that much.


I can play at 124 db before stuff starts vibrating around...need 130db to make me happy I bet

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I have some tiny audioengine desktop powered monitors in my off ice now with velodyne hgs 12. I can rattle everything off the walls. so yea, in my case with tiny little desktop speakers its too much sub.


in my main listening area, I need 3 more fv25hp's....even tho I can hit high spl, in such a large space getting no reverby bass. the audiophiles at my dealer love my sound and say dont change a thing, but I do want some more bass...just enough were it can destroy all my wifes wall hangings/decorations....but ofc I never turn it up that much.
okay yes, I agree I once put svs prime bookshelf with the fv15hp in a office and let's say I got in trouble lol

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okay yes, I agree I once put svs prime bookshelf with the fv15hp in a office and let's say I got in trouble lol

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yea, size of room dictates alot. I can sit in my living room at 120db and have easy dialog with person. when I say 120db, I mean avg 95 db with peaks at 120 db.


and if I play some symphonic, orchestra, very clean recorded music I can hammer the master volume all the way and barely get 100 db. thats with alot of bridged watts on mains and subs boosted +10 db or more.
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my mains can do 115db...at 80hz tho


20k isnt a typo, might be larger....30x50x14 open on both sides to exterior hallways.



I have posted all these rews before...my point is more people should be comparing stuff by spl and size of space.

imo the fv25hp would be too much bass in normal room.
But were those sub measurements using REW and HDMI channel 4?

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Final pictures of the beasts covered up. I am listening to them uncovered right now. They are some TIGHT sounding speakers. My Girl is sitting with me and she said she absolutely loves the sound of sealed in comparison to ported. I think there are a few variables at work here. The proper spacing of the Martin Logan ESL 13a's adds a lot to the sound quality. Definitely a tier 1 speaker, the sound makes your jaw drop. These subs stay out of the way and really fill in the low end. I think my quest is probably done at this point. The McIntosh Pre sounds so good now...time to have a few cold drinks and re-listen to my favorites.

Did I mention they are really really ridiculously good looking Thanks again to the Rythmik team!

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Your set-up look outstanding
All you need is a front projector and a transparent Audio screen, that could be lower over your front stage
That said, I know you will not even think of this option with those ML

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Those don't really look that big "goes to check measurements compared to F15HP".

1.5" extra in all dimensions. Not bad...
While true, those Martin Logan must be a least 4 feet tall if not 5.
And therefore looking smaller next to those speakers


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But were those sub measurements using REW and HDMI channel 4?

I dont have the sub measurements on my current laptop...they somewhere included in this thread. here the left rights...without subs...I gurantee with subs much better.
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I know you have a bad case of OCD but it definitely look like your CC speaker is way to low and should be raised up to the top shelf...no?

Do the panels you have behind your ML's afect the highs in a negative way... seams like they would crush the spaciousness that the ML's are known for.
Always love the look of McIntosh gear tho..
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Mcintosh equipment's always did look gorgeous, and very nice sound to boot.

For the center been too low, a problem for many of us.
It can be remedy very easily by tilting up the center-up, so the tweeter sound are the same level as the main to the MLP.
All is needed is knowing how to do-it properly, and a cheap flat laser pointer.

Anyone needing help on this, can always quote or PM me.
I will be more than happy to post some easy instructions, that take about 30 minutes to get-it perfect.


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Mcintosh equipment's always did look gorgeous, and very nice sound to boot.

For the center been too low, a problem for many of us.
It can be remedy very easily by tilting up the center-up, so the tweeter sound are the same level as the main to the MLP.
All is needed is knowing how to do-it properly, and a cheap flat laser pointer.

Anyone needing help on this, can always quote or PM me.
I will be more than happy to post some easy instructions, that take about 30 minutes to get-it perfect.


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I'll would like to see these instructions to use in my set ups! Also open to learn as much as I can.

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I'll would like to see these instructions to use in my set ups! Also open to learn as much as I can.

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I was going to send this as PM, unfortunately my second computer screen did not give the option of opening my documents;

-First, go get yourself a cheap laserpointer, a flat one if possible.
-Then put-it on top of one of your main (does not matter which one, since they are both the same height).
-Point at your listening area.
-Put a piece of tape to mark the position.
-measure with a ruler the distance from the top of the speaker to the center of the tweeter.
-Go back to your piece of tape at your listening area and subtract that distance going down.
-Put a new piece of tape and remove the first one.
-Now do the same for the center speaker with a little difference.
-First measure the distance from the top of the center speaker to the center of the tweeter.
-Go back to your main listening area.
-Remember piece of tape #2
-now take the distance from the top of your center to the center of tweeter and go up from the piece of tape #2 to that distance.
-put piece of tape #3 , and piece of tape #2 can be remove if you like, since it was the distance of your main tweeter.
-put the laser pointer on top of your center
-adjust angle until the light hit that piece of tape (#3 ).
Now you're done, all tweeters should hit the main listening position at the same height(for the main listening position)."
Also, Make sure your center speaker is sticking out of the cabinet by about an inch.
Sound reflection from the edge of a cabinet can play havoc on your sound.

I also suggest to copy and paste/print those instructions, instead of going by memory
After a couple time, it become a breeze to go through this process.


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I was going to send this as PM, unfortunately my second computer screen did not give the option of opening my documents;




-First, go get yourself a cheap laserpointer, a flat one if possible.
-Then put-it on top of one of your main (does not matter which one, since they are both the same height).
-Point at your listening area.
-Put a piece of tape to mark the position.
-measure with a ruler the distance from the top of the speaker to the center of the tweeter.
-Go back to your piece of tape at your listening area and subtract that distance going down.
-Put a new piece of tape and remove the first one.
-Now do the same for the center speaker with a little difference.
-First measure the distance from the top of the center speaker to the center of the tweeter.
-Go back to your main listening area.
-Remember piece of tape #2
-now take the distance from the top of your center to the center of tweeter and go up from the piece of tape #2 to that distance.
-put piece of tape #3 , and piece of tape #2 can be remove if you like, since it was the distance of your main tweeter.
-put the laser pointer on top of your center
-adjust angle until the light hit that piece of tape (#3 ).
Now you're done, all tweeters should hit the main listening position at the same height(for the main listening position)."
Also, Make sure your center speaker is sticking out of the cabinet by about an inch.
Sound reflection from the edge of a cabinet can play havoc on your sound.
Thank you! 99 cent store here I come I hope to be able to use a real center channel but I cant mount anything so it will have to be lower then my L and R but hope to center it with this method.

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Thank you! 99 cent store here I come I hope to be able to use a real center channel but I cant mount anything so it will have to be lower then my L and R but hope to center it with this method.

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Best $1, you will ever spend. I also use a laser pointer to find out my main towers/surrounds are the same angle to my MLP
If you check my Theater tread on my signature, you will see that my center is much lower than my towers (post 2, first picture for the angle).


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Best $1, you will ever spend. I also use a laser pointer to find out my main towers/surrounds are the same angle to my MLP
If you check my Theater tread on my signature, you will see that my center is much lower than my towers (post 2, first picture for the angle).


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Okay so atleast now I'm happy I dont have to make a hole in the brick in order for me to align the center just right lol that's how I would place it, in front of the fireplace though something I will never use since I live in so cal lol

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I dont have the sub measurements on my current laptop...they somewhere included in this thread. here the left rights...without subs...I gurantee with subs much better.
You must be closer than 3 meters?

I see an average of 105dB up to 200Hz, but the rest of the range is blocked.

To produce 105dB with 3dB of amp headroom remaining, with a speaker with 92.5dB sensitivity, you need 320 watts.

Your Marantz can supply a max of 125wpc, resulting in a max of 101dB. You must be using your NAD for that measurement?

If you look at your sub-only measurements, keep in mind that REW HDMI 4 adds +10dB to your measurements.
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Mcintosh equipment's always did look gorgeous, and very nice sound to boot.

For the center been too low, a problem for many of us.
It can be remedy very easily by tilting up the center-up, so the tweeter sound are the same level as the main to the MLP.
All is needed is knowing how to do-it properly, and a cheap flat laser pointer.

Anyone needing help on this, can always quote or PM me.
I will be more than happy to post some easy instructions, that take about 30 minutes to get-it perfect.


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Like I said I have it angled up. There is no need to use a laser pointer to match it to a tweeter as I am using ESL panels. It sounds very good because I have it angled right at my listening postion (slight riser under it). Dialogue is loud and clear. I love having the Mac gear all in a line. I am a fan of aesthetics in a setup as well as sound. I am very happy for now. I have spent close to 100k in the past 2 years on this quest and its time to chill out for a while

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Like I said I have it angled up. There is no need to use a laser pointer to match it to a tweeter as I am using ESL panels. It sounds very good because I have it angled right at my listening postion (slight riser under it). Dialogue is loud and clear. I love having the Mac gear all in a line. I am a fan of aesthetics in a setup as well as sound. I am very happy for now. I have spent close to 100k in the past 2 years on this quest and its time to chill out for a while



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100k! Before I would think putting that much into speakers amps and wires is crazy. NOW I'm myself am headed that way lol ofcourse in a much smaller budget lol I'm just starting to break out of my severe anxiety by being (let be) part of this forum and thanks to everyone here I feel great and headed the right way. Though I'm still trying to convince my wife I need to fix that void on my right side with Greg's fv25hp

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Like I said I have it angled up. There is no need to use a laser pointer to match it to a tweeter as I am using ESL panels. It sounds very good because I have it angled right at my listening postion (slight riser under it). Dialogue is loud and clear. I love having the Mac gear all in a line. I am a fan of aesthetics in a setup as well as sound. I am very happy for now. I have spent close to 100k in the past 2 years on this quest and its time to chill out for a while

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Hello Greg.

I was aware of that, from some of your previous post and pictures.
My comment about angling a center speakers was for this OP @WOKNROX

After that much money, I agree it is time to Enjoy
I thought, I was bad after $40000 CDN. The more power to you, for achieving your Nirvana with such a budget


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100k! Before I would think putting that much into speakers amps and wires is crazy. NOW I'm myself am headed that way lol ofcourse in a much smaller budget lol I'm just starting to break out of my severe anxiety by being (let be) part of this forum and thanks to everyone here I feel great and headed the right way. Though I'm still trying to convince my wife I need to fix that void on my right side with Greg's fv25hp

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I am 99% sure both are sold, they will be picked up this weekend. Maybe that will put your mind at ease

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I am 99% sure both are sold, they will be picked up this weekend. Maybe that will put your mind at ease
That was quick but thats awesome! I think I'll still be planning my master plan to get 1 more fv25hp in this home, then I'll have enough bass. Atleast it's what I tell myself lol

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You must be closer than 3 meters?

I see an average of 105dB up to 200Hz, but the rest of the range is blocked.

To produce 105dB with 3dB of amp headroom remaining, with a speaker with 92.5dB sensitivity, you need 320 watts.

Your Marantz can supply a max of 125wpc, resulting in a max of 101dB. You must be using your NAD for that measurement?

If you look at your sub-only measurements, keep in mind that REW HDMI 4 adds +10dB to your measurements.

the nad amps bridged put out over 1200 watts.


my measurements are always at mlp which is 12 feet from front speakers. 5ft from fv15hp and 17ft from fv25hp. I use test tones for sweeps. when I get my new maggie lrs in I will redo measurements. I remember making adjustments to umik mic and mic settings in rew. i was _+10 MV on marantz which is way above what anyone will listen at and never went below 3.1 db headroom in rew. think i used hdmi 3 with cc unplugged. have my system tweaked now where 0mv on avr allows for 121db. I like seeing what stuff can max burst at from my car stereo days...not recommending any of it.
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Hello Greg.

I was aware of that, from some of your previous post and pictures.
My comment about angling a center speakers was for this OP @WOKNROX

After that much money, I agree it is time to Enjoy
I thought, I was bad after $40000 CDN. The more power to you, for achieving your Nirvana with such a budget


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I've been down the road you guys are on many many times.. even ran two cc's, one above and one below but it just never sounded right..to me at least.
Once you are able to move you cc behind your screen, all that other nonsense goes out the window..

I'm glad you guys don't have any issues tho..
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Final pictures of the beasts covered up. I am listening to them uncovered right now. They are some TIGHT sounding speakers. My Girl is sitting with me and she said she absolutely loves the sound of sealed in comparison to ported. I think there are a few variables at work here. The proper spacing of the Martin Logan ESL 13a's adds a lot to the sound quality. Definitely a tier 1 speaker, the sound makes your jaw drop. These subs stay out of the way and really fill in the low end. I think my quest is probably done at this point. The McIntosh Pre sounds so good now...time to have a few cold drinks and re-listen to my favorites.


Did I mention they are really really ridiculously good looking Thanks again to the Rythmik team!





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It seems the F18 would be a good comparison with the SB16 (price aside!). I can imagine it sounds better, but I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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They were just a bit too big and the additional output might still be a problem for my neighbors. I really wanted to add something to the Martin Logans not take over. The G25HP is similar to the F18 just a lot more output. I also wanted piano black this time. This checks a few additional boxes for me (aesthetics, 18" driver, square shape). This should be a perfect pairing and really its enough for the room.


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Ok, I must have missed something here. I knew you had the F18's coming, but I thought they were for your bedroom? Do you still have the FV25HP's?


edit: looks like you are selling the FV25HP's?? if so, you are worse then I am!


Glad to hear you like the F18's. I heard them at a Dallas GTG a couple of years back and couldn't get over how clean they sounded. I am curious how much you think a G28 might be better over a G25HP? I am seeing if Salk will build me a G28 right now but it's a little intimidating since it's such an unknown and a huge cabinet.
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It seems the F18 would be a good comparison with the SB16 (price aside!). I can imagine it sounds better, but I’m looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Greg replaced a pair of SB16 Ultras + a pair of JL Audio F113s with the pair of G25HPs and we all know what his thoughts are regarding those four subwoofers vs the pair of G25HPs. I'm pretty sure he could share his thoughts as well how the F18s compare with the SB16 Ultras, of course, this time by memory. He still owns a SB13 Ultra which is basically the little brother of the SB16, though.
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