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I know there is an 11% rule when gain matching a pair of subs. However, what would be proper mic placement for gain matching the FV25HPs? In between the two cones if laying on side and, if so, how far away? Thanks Much! - Paul


It’s important to have the subs in the exact same location with the same mic position when doing this. One at a time.


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I know there is an 11% rule when gain matching a pair of subs. However, what would be proper mic placement for gain matching the FV25HPs? In between the two cones if laying on side and, if so, how far away? Thanks Much! - Paul
Between the two cones would be if you are gain matching a FV25HP with a different model, like the FV15HP or FV18. If you are gain matching a pair of FV25HPs, then the bottom driver would be my choice as it's closer to the ports. In fact, because they are identical subwoofers, whatever spot you pick, do it for both subwoofers and you should be fine.
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It’s important to have the subs in the exact same location with the same mic position when doing this. One at a time.


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As explained by AustinJerry, this is not necessary if you place the mic near field (2" to 3" from the cone or 11% rule which is the 11% of cone radius). This is to remove room gain interaction in the measurements. Doing this way you can have the subwoofers in their final location when gain matching.
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As explained by AustinJerry, this is not necessary if you place the mic near field (2" to 3" from the cone or 11% rule which the 11% of cone radius). This is to remove room gain interaction in the measurements. Doing this way you can have the subwoofers in their final location when gain matching.


Looks like I need to revisit how I have my FV18s set up


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When I got my FV18s a couple of years ago, I set them up equidistant from the MLP and ran REW. After I got everything so it sounded good to me, I posted my measurements in the REW thread. My betters there, the Wise Men regulars, said the measurements looked just fine and I have been very pleased with my setup ever since. Once again, thanks to Austin Jerry and the others who helped me.
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Oh so recognisable. I started looking out for a sub (don't have one) almost a year ago.

Went from wanting the L12, to F12, to E15, to E15HP2. Now I'm fixed on the F18 but I feel that G25HP somewhere in the back of my mind
Considering the spot and our current situation with moving to another house being in our very near future (hopefully very very near!) I wouldn't go with a bigger sub, even if my wife suggested I did so. This house we're in is nice but so very small that this E15HP2 is going to look like a refrigerator sitting next to my little couch. My wife is going to have a brief WTF moment but will be ok with it after a little while. But I know how you feel. I've been bouncing all over the place on what type/brand subs I'm getting as soon as we find a house. I know for sure I'm getting the hardest hitting dual sealed sub setup I can find for under or somewhere around $5K. That's one reason I'm going to give this Rythmik a shot, as it may give me some insight into what I end up with when I start building my main system from scratch. I've looked very hard at the Seaton Submersive HP and HP slave setup and still consider it possibly my top choice when it comes time. Those Rythmik G25HP's look promising but I have no idea what type of output they're capable of when comparing to Submersives or even a set of PSA S3611's. This Rythmik I'm about to place an order for has the same amp as the F18 and the G25HP has basically the same amp but with two 900 watt output modules - one for each 15" driver. Speaking of which, does anyone know how the G25HP driver differs from the E15HP2's driver? Is there a difference? I just hope this Rythimk really impresses me, as it'll set the tone for a future setup I can't wait to get started on.

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Considering the spot and our current situation with moving to another house being in our very near future (hopefully very very near!) I wouldn't go with a bigger sub, even if my wife suggested
I did so. This house we're in is nice but so very small that this E15HP2 is going to look like a refrigerator sitting next to my little couch. My wife is going to have a brief WTF moment but will be ok with
it after a little while. But I know how you feel. I've been bouncing all over the place on what type/brand subs I'm getting as soon as we find a house. I know for sure I'm getting the hardest hitting
dual sealed sub setup I can find for under or somewhere around $5K. That's one reason I'm going to give this Rythmik a shot, as it may give me some insight into what I end up with when I start
building my main system from scratch. I've looked very hard at the Seaton Submersive HP and HP slave setup and still consider it possibly my top choice when it comes time. Those Rythmik G25HP's
look promising but I have no idea what type of output they're capable of when comparing to Submersives or even a set of PSA S3611's. This Rythmik I'm about to place an order for has the same
amp as the F18 and the G25HP has basically the same amp but with two 900 watt output modules - one for each 15" driver. Speaking of which, does anyone know how the G25HP driver differs
from the E15HP2's driver? Is there a difference? I just hope this Rythimk really impresses me, as it'll set the tone for a future setup I can't wait to get started on.
The E15HP2 has the same driver as the FV25HP and G25HP subwoofers, the DS1520 driver.

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The E15HP2 has the same driver as the FV25HP and G25HP subwoofers, the DS1520 driver.
Thanks, and how does the DS1520 differ from the DS1510 that's in the E15HP or the F15HP?
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Thanks, and how does the DS1520 differ from the DS1510 that's in the E15HP or the F15HP?
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See post #35775 .
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"DS1510 is 3ohms and DS1520 is 2ohms." That is all it says on the post link 35775. I don't know if there are other differences or that is the only difference. Doesn't really tell me much. I'm still waiting on a more definitive answer from enricoclaudio.
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"DS1510 is 3ohms and DS1520 is 2ohms." That is all it says on the post link 35775. I don't know if there are other differences or that is the only difference. Doesn't really tell me much. I'm still waiting on a more definitive answer from enricoclaudio.
Why? That post was by Enrico, it sounds like the difference between them IS the impedance

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"DS1510 is 3ohms and DS1520 is 2ohms." That is all it says on the post link 35775. I don't know if there are other differences or that is the only difference. Doesn't really tell me much. I'm still waiting on a more definitive answer from enricoclaudio.
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Why? That post was by Enrico, it sounds like the difference between them IS the impedance
That is correct my friend Jamie. The only difference is impedance. DS1510 is 3ohms and DS1520 is 2ohms. We had to lower impedance to 2ohms on DS1520 for it to handle up to 1100 watts RMS. DS1510 can handle up to 800 watts RMS.
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Why? That post was by Enrico, it sounds like the difference between them IS the impedance
I don't know what was asked that Enrico was answering. Maybe the question was specifically about impedance and that's exactly what he answered. What if there's also a difference in linear excursion or driver depth? My point is I'm about to buy one of these and I want an answer that simply says impedance is the only difference, if that is indeed that case.
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That is correct my friend Jamie. The only difference is impedance. DS1510 is 3ohms and DS1520 is 2ohms. We had to lower impedance to 2ohms on DS1520 for it to handle up to 1100 watts RMS. DS1510 can handle up to 800 watts RMS.
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The container with FV25HPs and G25HPs and other subwoofers on backorder is scheduled to arrive at our warehouse this Friday, May 31st. We should be able to start shipping next Monday, June 3rd all pending orders and new orders as soon we catch up with all pending orders. Thanks for you patience!!
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"DS1510 is 3ohms and DS1520 is 2ohms." That is all it says on the post link 35775. I don't know if there are other differences or that is the only difference. Doesn't really tell me much. I'm still waiting on a more definitive answer from enricoclaudio.
That answer was from Enricoclaudio. Can't get much more definitive than that.

EDIT: Sorry, missed jamiebosco's post before mine. Not a pile on. Main thing is you get the correct information you need to make an educated buying decision.
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I don't know what was asked that Enrico was answering. Maybe the question was specifically about impedance and that's exactly what he answered. What if there's also a difference in linear excursion or driver depth? My point is I'm about to buy one of these and I want an answer that simply says impedance is the only difference, if that is indeed that case.
That's my bad. I just thought you would go to that post and read the question preceding it to see the context. That wasn't a link I made. Just the # sign before a number shows up as a link. Least that's how it works on Tapatalk. I don't use the actual AVS website as a daily driver for threads.

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That's my bad. I just thought you would go to that post and read the question preceding it to see the context. That wasn't a link I made. Just the # sign before a number shows up as a link. Least that's how it works on Tapatalk. I don't use the actual AVS website as a daily driver for threads.
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No big deal. On the phone with Enrico now. Getting all kinds of good info!!
Cool deal. Get all that knowledge you can. Makes writing that check a little less painful.
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Cool deal. Get all that knowledge you can. Makes writing that check a little less painful.
haha, I'm about to send Brian and Enrico an email for billing info. I'm pulling a WAF sidestep. This E15HP2 is gonna show up on our CC as costing $573.00 and then 900 on grocery store visa's I just bought for cash. She'll be so much happier this way. I'm just wondering how long it'll be until someone who I'm not aware of is at my house and knows a little something about audio and says wow, that sub really hits hard and then my wife blurt out, yeah and it only cost $573 I told him he didn't need to spend over a grand on a sub. She'll be saying...'see honey he thinks that sub sounds great, aren't you glad I talked you out of spending over a grand on a stupid subwoofer. LOL
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haha, I'm about to send Brian and Enrico an email for billing info. I'm pulling a WAF sidestep. This E15HP2 is gonna show up on our CC as costing $573.00 and then 900 on grocery store visa's I just bought for cash. She'll be so much happier this way. I'm just wondering how long it'll be until someone who I'm not aware of is at my house and knows a little something about audio and says wow, that sub really hits hard and then my wife blurt out, yeah and it only cost $573 I told him he didn't need to spend over a grand on a sub. She'll be saying...'see honey he thinks that sub sounds great, aren't you glad I talked you out of spending over a grand on a stupid subwoofer. LOL
LMAO. That's hilarious. Just know that I saw that particular tactic when I was selling cars and it went both ways as to which signficant other was doing the money moving. One time I got 10 grand in cash coming out from under a hat, both shoes and I stopped physically taking it when he reached for his belt

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The container with FV25HPs and G25HPs and other subwoofers on backorder is scheduled to arrive at our warehouse this Friday, May 31st. We should be able to start shipping next Monday, June 3rd all pending orders and new orders as soon we catch up with all pending orders. Thanks for you patience!!
Enrio, Did you get my email with the three billing instructions? I haven't received anything back and I just want to make sure this process is officially underway. I'm very excited to have finally purchased a sub after well over a year of creeping and stalking sub and audio forums. Another question I forgot to ask you - how can I see photos of the black matte finish? I ordered black oak but would like to make sure that's the finish I want.

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every setting on rythmik subs and mic position will change your rew results....I can demonstrate almost every possible freq response now after 2+ years of trial and error. if using audyssey make sure sub set to low rumble filter off. once audyssey ran then tweak sub. with all the rythmik settings on amp, everyone should be able to find great sound with rew if they put in time.

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every setting on rythmik subs and mic position will change your rew results....I can demonstrate almost every possible freq response now after 2+ years of trial and error. if using audyssey make sure sub set to low rumble filter off. once audyssey ran then tweak sub. with all the rythmik settings on amp, everyone should be able to find great sound with rew if they put in time.
I know absolutely nothing about digital room correction software/hardware. In fact after just now reading your post I did a search and saw the Dirac Live website but haven't had a chance to look it over. Is this something I can just download to a pc or phone? Do I have to buy mics and other hardware?

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dirac can be bought with minidsp for 500 dollar license or something....I use audyssey. rew is free and only mic and laptop needed.
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Enrio, Did you get my email with the three billing instructions? I haven't received anything back and I just want to make sure this process is officially underway. I'm very excited to have finally purchased a sub after well over a year of creeping and stalking sub and audio forums. Another question I forgot to ask you - how can I see photos of the black matte finish? I ordered black oak but would like to make sure that's the finish I want.

Thanks, Brian
I got your email and forwarded it to Brian asking for the order link. I sent you the photos a few seconds ago.
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