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The F12SE is the only subwoofer that comes with black spike feet for free. These are not the same spike feet we sell for the 15" subwoofers.
Interesting. Why is that? Is there something about the F12SE that makes spike feet necessary?
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Feet are not necessary for the F12 / F12SE, they are just part of the upgrade to SE (Signature Edition).

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Purchase or DIY subwoofer riser are a consideration if you want the sub off the carpet. Some people believe the risers result in better sound quality by changing the interaction with axial room modes. I use risers with caster because they make moving the subs around much easier. Most of this stuff with spike feet, $1000 speaker wire, ect is equal to snake oil. I am in the snake oil business and sell it for only $25.00 a can.
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Any chance that the D15 will be offered in the HP version at some point and possible ported(DV15HP)? That was the only thing that kept me from going rythmik back when I was sub shopping. For some reason I just love a downfiring sub because there are no grills or drivers exposed. The D15se would make for some beautiful end tables, Just wish they were offered with the 1510 driver and 600watt amp.

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Any chance that the D15 will be offered in the HP version at some point and possible ported(DV15HP)? That was the only thing that kept me from going rythmik back when I was sub shopping. For some reason I just love a downfiring sub because there are no grills or drivers exposed. The D15se would make for some beautiful end tables, Just wish they were offered with the 1510 driver and 600watt amp.
Bass it seems like he could simply take the DIY kit that comes with the 600 watt amp and 1510 driver and stuff it in the D15 enclosure. I could very well be wrong and there could be more to it then that.
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^^^ All speculation on my part of course. We need Brian to chime in on this one.
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Have to redesign the cabinet...


My F12's sit on the carpet. That is a feature; if you move the subs around to clean behind them, or rescue a lost toy, it is easy to see exactly where to put them back. That is much harder with spikes.

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Have to redesign the cabinet...
For ported yes, but you think sealed as well?

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rescue a lost toy
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For ported yes, but you think sealed as well?
You dont understand. Its nothing to do with the port. Spikes dont leave an indentation in the carpet.
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Weird I think he might have posted and edited real quick. My response was only to him saying "Have to redesign the cabinet..." and not what was below that.
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If the driver parameters change, and I assume they would going to a higher capacity driver, the optimal cabinet size will probably change. It might not be significant. However, higher power/output usually means more displacement and that often entails a cabinet change. As others said, Brian can say for sure.

Don't think I edited that post...

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If the driver parameters change, and I assume they would going to a higher capacity driver, the optimal cabinet size will probably change. It might not be significant. However, higher power/output usually means more displacement and that often entails a cabinet change. As others said, Brian can say for sure.

Don't think I edited that post...
Makes sense, but I was just curious if it could be done with the current cabinet.
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I do not see why not...the F15 and F15HP are the same size cab.
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Wink lv12 availability

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L12 is an entry levelsealed sub. It is not meant to replace F12. The amp is similar to the amp used in LV12R (which is 300WRMS)so that we can keep the cost on par with LV12R. L12 is also smaller than F12 which means it is less efficient. We have adjusted the T/S parameters so that it can come as close to the output of F12 at 20hz. But output above 20hz will be slightly lesst han that of F12. I will keep a reasonable damping value of the lowest extension music mode so that customers can still enjoy deeper than 20hz extension. A rumble filter is included for HT mode. If some has more than one L12, he can even use low extension music mode for HT use. The third extension mode is high extension (maybe 24hz or 28hz 3rd order roll-off). I need confirmation from F12 customers that they seldom use 28hz extension setting.

I have hinted there will be derivative productsof L12 which include a possibility of E12 (aluminum cone driver using HX400 400WRMS amp for sealed configuration), or L22 (two drivers with HX580 amp). My thinking is F15 is no longer as price-wise competitive. We have to find a good replacement model and L22 seems to make sense.

Originally I don't want to discuss too much on future products. But I guess too many of you want to understand what we have in mind.
Brian, I am interested in a sub for music with the Tekton m-lore high efficiency speakers and the Jolida 1501r amp, Emotiva dac1 dac input. The LV12r interested me for price and also many users commented on it's musicality inspite of it listed as a HT sub in the company's web site. I was glad to read that you are planning a sealed sub in the same price range. I assume this new unit would be an even better match for 95% music and 5% games. Is this correct?
If so, could you give an approximation of when you anticipate this sealed unit would be available? Won't hold you to it as things change, but I am looking to decide should I wait for that or jump in to the LV12r if the time will be long.
Thanks for your reply and advice.
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Anyway, we are going to have more models between LV12R and FV15HP, customers certainly will have more choices.
And that's what I'm waiting for.
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I can't wait for a F25HP and or a ported version :O

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Ported version of the F25HP .... that would be insanely huge Imagine 2 FV15HP on top of one another

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Ported version of the F25HP .... that would be insanely huge Imagine 2 FV15HP on top of one another
People would buy it, but Brian might have trouble shipping it.
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The porting might be a bit challenging. I wonder if he could do a slot port. Perhaps that's more challenging or not feasible without being able to successfully implement the servo technology.
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People would buy it, but Brian might have trouble shipping it.
Agreed. That is why I think they should focus on offering a upgraded D15 model. I think it would sell more. Honestly for the marginal price difference, Rythmik should drop all the Non HP model 15" subs. Another thing that would help is to post some cea2010 data for each sub. The 20hz comparison is pretty vague..sure the LV12 might be within 2db @ 20hz of the non hp models, but above and below the tuning point it has to be down several db. If folks were to see this when navigating the website it might help them get a better idea of the subs capability that interests them. Jmo
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People would buy it, but Brian might have trouble shipping it.
Yes we would!

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Brian already mentioned a page or two back that he won't make fridge size sub, so there's no hope for the FV25hp.
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^ tvuong,

A little OT, but your avatar tells me you you're a fan of the world cup. Does the Rythmik sub(s) keep up with the tension in a soccer match? Not sure there's much low frequencies in the game.

NFL is a bit different, especially when the titans collide.

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^^ I am a huge NFL fan, Cowboys fan to be exact. To me, there's nothing better than football (NFL and college). I used to play soccer (when I was younger and thinner ). It's just not popular in the states but I do enjoy and watch the every four years World cup. Team US is playing well, I just want to show my support. And no, I just watch the World Cup in my main living room with just TV sound or at a sport bar.
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The porting might be a bit challenging. I wonder if he could do a slot port. Perhaps that's more challenging or not feasible without being able to successfully implement the servo technology.
I think the reason most of the moderate sized ID subs do not use slot ports is because the mdf takes up too much internal volume, as much as 10%, whereas the material of tubular ports takes up almost no internal volume. Giant cabs like the Captivators(which are tiny by DIY standards), it does not matter so much because people build the cabs as huge as they need to.
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Another thing that would help is to post some cea2010 data for each sub. The 20hz comparison is pretty vague..sure the LV12 might be within 2db @ 20hz of the non hp models, but above and below the tuning point it has to be down several db. If folks were to see this when navigating the website it might help them get a better idea of the subs capability that interests them. Jmo
I never understood the use of Max SPL, If I'm running my system flat. If my MAX @ 20hz is 95db my MAX @ 40hz should be 95db because I'm not going to run my system into compression. I understand headroom but I figured most people want a flat response. I would be more interested to know how loud 16hz is when 64hz is @ 95db's.

Eg. This Rythmik F12 kit to me has a MAX SPL of 92-93db's overall with 10hz @ 83db's (or 10hz at +/- 5 dbs)
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I never understood the use of Max SPL, If I'm running my system flat. If my MAX @ 20hz is 95db my MAX @ 40hz should be 95db because I'm not going to run my system into compression. I understand headroom but I figured most people want a flat response. I would be more interested to know how loud 16hz is when 64hz is @ 95db's.

Eg. This Rythmik F12 kit to me has a MAX SPL of 92-93db's overall with 10hz @ 83db's (or 10hz at +/- 5 dbs)
Because cea2010 offers a way to compare performance on a even playing field. It's nice to know a subs capability before purchasing.
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Maybe an F18HP or FV18HP .... imagine the output of that beast

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Brian already mentioned a page or two back that he won't make fridge size sub, so there's no hope for the FV25hp.
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