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post #8581 of 27592 Old 06-10-2013, 03:29 PM
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Well I have been missing quite the debate.
Just got home and got a chance to read everyone's input.
To put the DIY debate to rest, I do not plan to build my own sub.
I will buy one.

I like the sound of the Cap S2 with 2x 18", but some folks have said I should get 2 of those???
Meaning 4x 18" subs and 2 cabinets?
I don't think I need this much, plus, that would make it $6000...or do not understand something?

Is this because I am currently running 2 subs?

I would think (and hoping) that 1x Cap S2 or similar could replace both of my current subs.

Or, I can still run my Velodyne HGS 18 with the CAP S2 and turn it down a bit so it does not "pop" which only happens on the most aggressive of movies.
That would make 3x 18" subs in the room.

It was a long day at work, so I have not done much research yet.
This decision will take some time.

Multiple subs are helpful to smooth out room modes, or peaks and dips in the frequency response of the subs based on the dimensions of the room, and reflections/absorption by its walls, furniture and accoutrements.

It's likely true that a single S2 will significantly outperform your existing setup. However, with your budget and very large room, your best bet is dual Captivator S2. You can go cheaper, but won't get the output or value from any of the other available options. The difference in output compared to your current setup will be night and day. I would not recommend using your existing subs in conjunction with whatever you buy. There's just little to no point. Get some money back by selling them. smile.gif

Plus, after talking with Jeff recently, I'm fairly certain that lead time on the JTR subs is minimal at the current time. You'd want to call to make sure, though.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here guys, but a single OS has about the same output as dual S2's at horn load, right?

S2's dig deeper, but the OS would give you more in the fq range that "most people" want.

Wish I could point obx to D-B to let him draw his own conclusions, but none of the mentioned ID recommendations have been put through the Ricci ringer.

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Regardless of what you end up going with, I'm sure it will be such a massive improvement, you will be happy for a long time!
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$295.00 ep4000 probably a better deal for DIY. 4 of those in 4 ohm bridged gives you 6400 measured REAL RMS WATTS of power.

Then it's like 200 for mdf
50 for duratex
100 for minidsp

and you have 1400 bucks for drivers, which would get you six 18" drivers

6400 watts and six 18" drivers vs 4000 watts and two 18" drivers. Not really even comparable IMO.
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popalock, obxdiver doesn't want what "most people" want, though. He said real specifically that he wants the lowest octaves, or the "deepest" subs. And, now that I look again, he said his budget is only $3-4k. I mistakenly thought it was $6k for some reason. I guess a single S2 will prolly have to suffice!
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$295.00 ep4000 probably a better deal for DIY. 4 of those in 4 ohm bridged gives you 6400 measured REAL RMS WATTS of power.

Then it's like 200 for mdf
50 for duratex
100 for minidsp

and you have 1400 bucks for drivers, which would get you six 18" drivers

6400 watts and six 18" drivers vs 4000 watts and two 18" drivers. Not really even comparable IMO.

I agree in principle. However, this isn't a principled discussion. wink.gif

Your numbers are a bit light for the construction of the boxes and the actual price of the MiniDSP. But, if it was apples-to-apples, you'd be looking at a 1-1.5dB improvement with the 6 drivers due to the power limitations. However, that's still not a super realistic comparison, because driver parameters and box size result in different real world performance. This or a similar conversation has been had before in the DIY section, and a cheapie 18" driver (if they can even be had) isn't nearly the same as the custom manufactured, high xmax, high power capacity drivers in the S2.
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Well to be fair some of those cheaply drivers measured very well under real conditions and the CapS2 has not yet. We are assuming they are much better based on specs. There are cheaper drivers with better specs that did measure well too!

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As far as commercially available subs go, is there anything better than the S2 at its 3k price point? That seems like the best to me overall, but there might be something I am missing. If I ever upgrade from what I have now and go with another bought sub, that S2 (duals) is top of my list. Having said that, I hope I can muster up the courage to take on a DIY project since that seems to be where the real bang/buck factor is highest.


Die Hard 5 on blu can be had for $10 starting today at Target for those who do not know once you take off the $3.00 coupon which you can get for signing up for their text coupons (it is on sale starting today for $13). I am tempted on a blind buy at that price looking at the charts even with the generally bad word of mouth on the film itself. I enjoyed LFoDH quite a bit (watched it last night again) so as long as this one is not to far behind I think I would get a few watches out of it. cool.gif

Thanks for looking out, picked up Die Hard 5 for $10.60 last night.

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Thanks for looking out, picked up Die Hard 5 for $10.60 last night.

Cool! Glad it worked out. smile.gif I still need to get over there.
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Thanks for looking out, picked up Die Hard 5 for $10.60 last night.

Man you'd NEVER see those prices in Canada unfortunately frown.gif

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Any deep LFE or good surround sound in this movie ? Please post up before i buy it.
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Any deep LFE or good surround sound in this movie ? Please post up before i buy it.
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http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hansel-and-Gretel-Witch-Hunters-Blu-ray/65146/

Absolutely not. Zero bass, horrible movie.
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Absolutely not. Zero bass, horrible movie.
WOW !!!
Thanks for the info and saving my dime !!!

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I say AGDTDH is easily a 5 star. Holy hell!
AGDTDH? Huh?
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I think we are going to need a sticky at the start of this thread listing all of the movie acronyms for those stopping by.. 😄 I know I had to go looking several times

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Or people can search, I mean it was mentioned for 2 recent pages.

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Or people can search, I mean it was mentioned for 2 recent pages.

Well yes, there is always that....😏

I work in a world of acronyms.. Many newcomers don't always comprehend them or immediatly apply them to a phrase, word or title. It's always good to have a gouge or cross reference.

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So, what, in peoples opinions, is the very best all around Blu Ray that you would use as a DEMO disc? There are many great ones available and many that aren't worth a thing, but, other than animated cartoon stuff, what would be your choice as the best demo disc?

If you (still) want a demo disc, the best thing is a demo disc. I hope these have been mentioned somewhere here already, as they are each worthy of attention:

ScubaSteve's

http://www.mediafire.com/?ryv68qxb68s8nt4

Superleo's 1

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1391873/reference-blu-ray-demo-disc-bd9-dvd-dl-media-bd50

Superleo's 2

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1469192/reference-2-blu-ray-demo-disc-bd9s-bd50

Jindrak's

https://www.avsforum.com/t/1412846/the-ultimate-bass-demo-disc

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If you (still) want a demo disc, the best thing is a demo disc. I hope these have been mentioned somewhere here already, as they are each worthy of attention:
ScubaSteve's
http://www.mediafire.com/?ryv68qxb68s8nt4
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Jindrak's
https://www.avsforum.com/t/1412846/the-ultimate-bass-demo-disc

All four discs are AMAZING, and FREE biggrin.gifcool.gif

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Anyone see trailer to pacific rim? Looks like an awsomr movie visually and if it had quality sound and lfe it would be a pretty kick ass I bet

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Whatched oz the great and powerful yesterday.. when I went to audio options it had the option for dts 7.1 nearfeild mix. What does the nearfeild mix mean? Either way it sounded very good

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Was not impressed by A Good Day To Die Hard. Compared to the heavy hitters, it has only a couple of scenes, and only one of those is sustained. 4 stars for bass by my ears. Plus, it's an absolutely terrible movie. Much worse than the last one. Total waste of time.

I have to disagree wholeheartedly because AGDTDH along with Oz the Great and Powerful are both stellar in demonstrating demo worthy scenes.


Bass fanatics are lucky to have these 2 movies along with Looper and Judge Dredd in the past 12 months.


Say what you will about the quality of the movies, but the bass scenes are all top notch.
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Hello I watched the OZ movie and I have to say there were a few very nice LFE moments. I have to say I would like
To see some graphs on the end of the movie. Near field means the mix was mixed specifically for smaller rooms. The engineer has the speakers closer to him his head when he makes his mix.
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Hello I watched the OZ movie and I have to say there were a few very nice LFE moments. I have to say I would like
To see some graphs on the end of the movie. Near field means the mix was mixed specifically for smaller rooms. The engineer has the speakers closer to him his head when he makes his mix.

Okay I kinda figured something like that. So a large room should choose the Dolby 5.1 instead? As far as lfe the last 20 mins or so were awesome and very realistic. I found the fireworks to be my favorite quality wise. When they went off u could feel the percussion as if it were real. I was impressed by the movies lfe all together but everything after the fireworks seemed a step up output wise

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Any deep LFE or good surround sound in this movie ? Please post up before i buy it.
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http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hansel-and-Gretel-Witch-Hunters-Blu-ray/65146/
Has some decent bass in it, but AGTDH has more. Not a very good movie though, but somewhat OK for mindless popcorn entertainment.


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Jeff, thanks for the link. A treasure trove of info for me to wade into.
What I am looking for are plots of LFE alone with a bandwidth somewhat larger than 120 Hz, so as to see where the content rolls off. Are there such plots a DB? The ones I've seen all stop at 120 Hz.

Roger, curious as to what you're looking to find about the LFE bandwidth? Are you looking to see how many studios adhere to or deviate from the generic standards? Perhaps we could introduce this discussion on the other site where there are quite a few folks interested in the technical aspects of things.

BTW, did you ever manage to find out anything from your contacts about The Hobbit's mix/LFE?


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I'm expecting good things from smaug in the hobbit part 2.
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Why? They filtered out all the bass before so why expect some next time?

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Why? They filtered out all the bass before so why expect some next time?

Right Hobbit 1 was such a dissapointment in that area.

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