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^^^ I would say on a pound for pound bases for me its WOTW as its seems to just about have it all covered, its just brutal experience and i would go as far as saying its the heavyweight boxing champ, but OHF is the undisputed grappler or sumo big boy not that they're just big and powerful but skillful as well .
Regarding LFE mixing in a movie, do the mixer normally throws all the bass in the .1 LFE channel and leaves nothing in the mains (LCR) channel?
I'm just wondering if I can break-in my new LCR speakers just by playing movies with crossover 40Hz set, however it will be moot if all the bass is in the LFE channel.

Can someone make a speclab bass chart with just the LCR channels on movies like TIH & WOTW?
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Let's not forget that OHF was only .2 db away from being a true 5 star flick.
I still liked Oblivion more as a front to back LFE experience.

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Guardians of the Galaxy - DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
Well the movie was great - highly recommended
Audio / LFE - not so much - kind of flat

Thanks for the report. Between the variable aspect on the 3d version which I cant stand on my scope screen and reports like yours on the audio, I am going to rent this instead of my planned blind buy.

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Regarding LFE mixing in a movie, do the mixer normally throws all the bass in the .1 LFE channel and leaves nothing in the mains (LCR) channel?
I'm just wondering if I can break-in my new LCR speakers just by playing movies with crossover 40Hz set, however it will be moot if all the bass is in the LFE channel.

Can someone make a speclab bass chart with just the LCR channels on movies like TIH & WOTW?
They throw MOST of the bass in the LFE channel, but there is still plenty of content that will surface in all satellite channels that can extend quite low actually. Take Edge of Tomorrow's woofer blowing opening credit bassfest; There is bass that is mixed into LFE, along with very strong bass in the LCR channels as well to basically create the hottest, loudest bass requirement of any movie I know of to date. While the LFE channel calls for 115dB reference peaks, when you are redirecting other channels to the subs via crossover, you basically need the capability to handle up to 126dB if a full 0dBFS signal is sent to all 5/7 traditional satellite channels. That'll suck up your headroom real quick

Contrary to popular belief, your main speakers really don't require "Break-in" from a traditional standpoint that some people feel like running heavy bass will "Loosen up" the woofers and such. In fact, they actually do break in, but it's the t/s parameters that will shift as they work through a little bit of content, but, after you cut the system off, they revert back to basically right where they started.

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Well the movie was great - highly recommended
Audio / LFE - not so much - kind of flat
you just ruined my christmas...possibly the year.


i can't tell you how sick i am getting of these neutered tracks....give us a separate HTIB track that is ball-less, and leave the original track alone! hulk is getting angry!
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They throw MOST of the bass in the LFE channel, but there is still plenty of content that will surface in all satellite channels that can extend quite low actually. Take Edge of Tomorrow's woofer blowing opening credit bassfest; There is bass that is mixed into LFE, along with very strong bass in the LCR channels as well to basically create the hottest, loudest bass requirement of any movie I know of to date. While the LFE channel calls for 115dB reference peaks, when you are redirecting other channels to the subs via crossover, you basically need the capability to handle up to 126dB if a full 0dBFS signal is sent to all 5/7 traditional satellite channels. That'll suck up your headroom real quick

Contrary to popular belief, your main speakers really don't require "Break-in" from a traditional standpoint that some people feel like running heavy bass will "Loosen up" the woofers and such. In fact, they actually do break in, but it's the t/s parameters that will shift as they work through a little bit of content, but, after you cut the system off, they revert back to basically right where they started.
Voice coils do loosen up a tad after break in. Actually, I just bought a 15" subwoofer for my son's Jeep and the manufacturer specifically says to break in woofer at half power for at least a month before feeding it full power. This thing was pretty dang stiff out of the box.

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I don't have a system that goes to OHF levels...but of the three, I like the bass in Oblivion the best. All three kick some ass though.

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you just ruined my christmas...possibly the year.





i can't tell you how sick i am getting of these neutered tracks....give us a separate HTIB track that is ball-less, and leave the original track alone! hulk is getting angry!

Would we like him when he's angry?


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you just ruined my christmas...possibly the year.





i can't tell you how sick i am getting of these neutered tracks....give us a separate HTIB track that is ball-less, and leave the original track alone! hulk is getting angry!

The boys over at db are doing some neat things with eq to regain the bottom octaves. Some movies like man of steel are drastic, others much more subtle, but depending on where in the production the filter was applied, you can get it back if the ulf is your main priority, check it out.

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Voice coils do loosen up a tad after break in. Actually, I just bought a 15" subwoofer for my son's Jeep and the manufacturer specifically says to break in woofer at half power for at least a month before feeding it full power. This thing was pretty dang stiff out of the box.

I would hope the actual voice coil was NOT what loosened up maybe surround, or spider, but you don't want that vc to budge except for when you have signal going in.
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Btw. It only digs to 15hz so more people than you think listen on a capable system.

Oblivion digs to 1hz
And olympus has fallen does as wel but also has the most demanding scene in any movie to date
What scene is that? I watched OHF but it might have been in my room with headphones versus my 5.1 setup, might need to give it another try,

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The Art of Flight had 6 ot of 5 bass!

I can see it, I've watched it several times and it shakes the walls on a frequent basis throughout the whole movie.

I'm curious, if a sub is only capable of 18Hz and in a movie there is content below that does the subwoofer attempt to play it or is the sound completely lost? I have a single sub (SVS PB12-NSD) which to me is awesome but nothing compared to the subs on this forum and I remember when I first got it and tried Black Hawk Down I don't think the Irene scene was all that powerful especially when I compared it to the opening scene in The Dark Knight Rises (plane scene) or X-Men: First Class (sub scene or Argentina scene).
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What scene is that? I watched OHF but it might have been in my room with headphones versus my 5.1 setup, might need to give it another try,

I'm rewatching it for the first time now since I built my new sub! That scene with the take over of the White House and the Washington monument had three of my inuke's lights flickering


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They throw MOST of the bass in the LFE channel, but there is still plenty of content that will surface in all satellite channels that can extend quite low actually. Take Edge of Tomorrow's woofer blowing opening credit bassfest; There is bass that is mixed into LFE, along with very strong bass in the LCR channels as well to basically create the hottest, loudest bass requirement of any movie I know of to date. While the LFE channel calls for 115dB reference peaks, when you are redirecting other channels to the subs via crossover, you basically need the capability to handle up to 126dB if a full 0dBFS signal is sent to all 5/7 traditional satellite channels. That'll suck up your headroom real quick

Contrary to popular belief, your main speakers really don't require "Break-in" from a traditional standpoint that some people feel like running heavy bass will "Loosen up" the woofers and such. In fact, they actually do break in, but it's the t/s parameters that will shift as they work through a little bit of content, but, after you cut the system off, they revert back to basically right where they started.
All my speakers are JBL Pro Cinema speakers...and yes, they require break-in as proven by many AVS members, including MKtheater . He played 3 rounds of WOTW to break-in.
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Yup, they sound like they were CD only the first 3 watches of pod emerge.
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Maleficent was a real treat both LFE and mix were superb ! Did a nice job of sending jolts through the concrete
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Well the movie was great - highly recommended
Audio / LFE - not so much - kind of flat
I saw it last week and I thought the bass was excellent! No five star rating but still demo worthy. When the girl took the crystal and destroyed the whole building of Bonicio Del Torro's charakter, I could definitely feel the rumbles of the bass.

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Maleficent was a real treat both LFE and mix were superb ! Did a nice job of sending jolts through the concrete
Agreed! Watched last night and the A/V were both fantastic. LFE was used very well with a number of great moments. One of the best looking blu rays I have seen as the visuals just sucked me in!
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Maleficent was a real treat both LFE and mix were superb ! Did a nice job of sending jolts through the concrete
Someday will check that out – its one of those movies for me
that just does not peak any interest at all to watch – kind of like oz
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I saw it last week and I thought the bass was excellent! No five star rating but still demo worthy. When the girl took the crystal and destroyed the whole building of Bonicio Del Torro's charakter, I could definitely feel the rumbles of the bass.
Watch it back to back with something like Expendables 3 on reference capable system at reference level and the separation is quite significant

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that just does not peak any interest at all to watch – kind of like oz
I can fully understand that. As great as the A/V was, I certainly won't be adding it to my collection as it was a one and done as far as the film goes for me. Well worth a rent though for the HT aspect.My GF was texting me and giving me a hard time about watching this by myself on a Fri night! It is definitely geared more toward the female demographic IMO.
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Watched Expendables 3 last night on Blu Ray from Redbox and was really pleased with that Dolby 5.1 track !! I have never watched the first two and so I don't know if bass is present or not. Bass was excellent and hit hard in Expendables 3 !!
Bass is plentiful throughout and will definitely work the sub or subs.
Blind bought Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and will be watching that one tonight !!

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Agreed! Watched last night and the A/V were both fantastic. LFE was used very well with a number of great moments. One of the best looking blu rays I have seen as the visuals just sucked me in!
Yea.. The first time I watched this one I really like the A/V done on the blu ray. LFE was great on my side. Now, I'm sick and tired of watching it since it's my daughters new favorite. And she wants to watch it all the time. Going on #6 now with this one. Frozen ended since this one came out. Frozen went on, ah, about 26 times...
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Yea.. The first time I watched this one I really like the A/V done on the blu ray. LFE was great on my side. Now, I'm sick and tired of watching it since it's my daughters new favorite. And she wants to watch it all the time. Going on #6 now with this one. Frozen ended since this one came out. Frozen went on, ah, about 26 times...
You poor soul! That's enough to drive any guy crazy! I feel your pain though. My GFs two boys have been obsessed with Rocky 4 playing it over and over and over.....now they have moved on to Polar Express and as much as I enjoy both those films, I'm starting to hate them for some reason!

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Watched Expendables 3 last night on Blu Ray from Redbox and was really pleased with that Dolby 5.1 track !! I have never watched the first two and so I don't know if bass is present or not. Bass was excellent and hit hard in Expendables 3 !!
Bass is plentiful throughout and will definitely work the sub or subs.
Blind bought Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and will be watching that one tonight !!

Apes was a very good movie. Not so much for bass though
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Apes was a very good movie. Not so much for bass though
Well I guess it is what it is ?? I have these and don't recall any good bass moments either.
*Planet of the apes (2001) *Rise of the planet of the apes (2011). So if the newest one is good overall, then I take that.
Plan on doing a revisit with X-MEN DOFP today. Hopefully it will turn out to be a better experience than my first viewing of it. This time I'm going to really crank it up !!

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You poor soul! That's enough to drive any guy crazy! I feel your pain though. My GFs two boys have been obsessed with Rocky 4 playing it over and over and over.....now they have moved on to Polar Express and as much as I enjoy both those films, I'm starting to hate them for some reason!
Yea.. What's messed up about it too is that when I'm at work, I find myself humming or whistling those Frozen music soundtrack..
Wait! Toe.. Ain't Polar Express a musical flick too? Aw man! Be careful brotha..
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Watched Expendables 3 last night on Blu Ray from Redbox and was really pleased with that Dolby 5.1 track !! I have never watched the first two and so I don't know if bass is present or not. Bass was excellent and hit hard in Expendables 3 !!
Bass is plentiful throughout and will definitely work the sub or subs.
Blind bought Dawn of the Planet of the Apes and will be watching that one tonight !!

Glad to Hear you liked Expendables 3! If you liked the film for the action you may enjoy the first two. I seen them prior to getting my new sub so I also do not know if they have good bass or not. If you do watch them post up your thoughts if you may.

Looking Forward to DOTPOTA when I get the chance to see it. Enjoyed the first one and wonder how many they plan to make. The first time around they did a total of five Planet Of The Ape films.
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Agreed! Watched last night and the A/V were both fantastic. LFE was used very well with a number of great moments. One of the best looking blu rays I have seen as the visuals just sucked me in!
This movie is on the menu for tonight's sensory pleasure!! Great to hear it will be good for both A/V.
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I think 5 minutes with the Server Scene and EVERYTHING in the house will be broken in.
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Question, please re the master list. Specifically, there often are some designations of recording type following the name of the movie. Examples: (dts), (dir cut dts), (dts re-mix), (blu-ray dts-hd:ma 5.1)

Does this mean to hear the desired LFE sound that I must look for the DVD of that title displaying any of the examples above? Outside of Blue Ray, is it prominently displayed on the cover somewhere? I mean, if I rent from Red Box, will any such designation be visible to me before I actually pay for the DVD?

Or, the answer may be different/more simple than I am understanding.

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Someday will check that out – its one of those movies for me
that just does not peak any interest at all to watch – kind of like oz
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I can fully understand that. As great as the A/V was, I certainly won't be adding it to my collection as it was a one and done as far as the film goes for me. Well worth a rent though for the HT aspect.My GF was texting me and giving me a hard time about watching this by myself on a Fri night! It is definitely geared more toward the female demographic IMO.
At first I was glad I rented it but by the end it kinda grew on me and the wife loved it ( demographic perhaps!) and do to the superb A/V execution I'll be picking a copy up
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