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I've been graphing the 5 stars movie and will be doing GIF's to compare them to the new KING of 5 stars...in my opinion of course.
Now I do not have all the 5 stars so here's an example of what I'll be showing...


Settings are Exactly the same for all PvA's that I'll be posting...stay tuned
I can't wait for the low-end capable system owners to see the new king of ULF in a movie...
Those with floating floors will freak out!
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I've been graphing the 5 stars movie and will be doing GIF's to compare them to the new KING of 5 stars...in my opinion of course.
Now I do not have all the 5 stars so here's an example of what I'll be showing...


Settings are Exactly the same for all PvA's that I'll be posting...stay tuned
I can't wait for the low-end capable system owners to cseesee the new king of ULF in a movie...
Those with floating floors will freak out!
see not Too different.
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I've been graphing the 5 stars movie and will be doing GIF's to compare them to the new KING of 5 stars...in my opinion of course.
Now I do not have all the 5 stars so here's an example of what I'll be showing...


Settings are Exactly the same for all PvA's that I'll be posting...stay tuned
I can't wait for the low-end capable system owners to see the new king of ULF in a movie...
Those with floating floors will freak out!
Very interesting comparison and goes to show how the graphs can never tell the full story of a bass track. One of the LFE experiences I consider a true 5 star, one of the best (HB2) and the other a good, but 4 star at best all things considered with hiw I rate bass, start to finish. Other variables at play!
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I'm a Die Hard fan (got them five of them); and the first one is still my favorite one.

Now, I'm trying to remember which one has the most immersive, most intense, most punchy bass of them five? ...I think the last two are pretty much dynamic in their overall bass impact. Which one you guys think deserves to be the top contender, when it comes to "bass punch"? ...I like to revisit, just for the "bass" (fun) of it.

* The two Hellboy on Blu; right on!
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I'm a Die Hard fan (got them five of them); and the first one is still my favorite one.

Now, I'm trying to remember which one has the most immersive, most intense, most punchy bass of them five? ...I think the last two are pretty much dynamic in their overall bass impact. Which one you guys think deserves to be the top contender, when it comes to "bass punch"? ...I like to revisit, just for the "bass" (fun) of it.

* The two Hellboy on Blu; right on!
The fourth one (name escapes me for some reason)

Edit: live free or die hard is the best one

New one is t to bad either but not up to par with live free (a good day to die hard)
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@ Fatshaft whom is tis new King ye speak of! And I'm willing to bet my lunch its an Atmos disc
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The fourth one (name escapes me for some reason)

Edit: live free or die hard is the best one

New one is t to bad either but not up to par with live free (a good day to die hard)
Yeah, I like the fourth one too...good flick...and some great action.
...The last one* is mickey mouse type (fun), but I thought the bass was REALLY IN YOUR GUTS, no? ...I mean "aggressive".

* 'A Good Day to Die'.
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Yeah, I like the fourth one too...good flick...and some great action.
...The last one* is mickey mouse type (fun), but I thought the bass was REALLY IN YOUR GUTS, no? ...I mean "aggressive".

* 'A Good Day to Die'.
It was good. But not near the bass of live free
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@ Fatshaft whom is tis new King ye speak of! And I'm willing to bet my lunch its an Atmos disc
I checked, for that 6 stars bass flick, but couldn't find it. ...Even looked @ September 4th Blu-ray titles release date.
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Come on man! That movie is pure HT fun house ride time! Your right though as I think I'm the only one who likes that flick.

Another bass monster that is one of my favorites that most don't care for is Dead in Tombstone. Talk about getting pummeled with full range bass!


I'm with you on FA, loved it and have watched it twice so far. I could see some not liking the "found footage" style or maybe its too scary ala Hostel for others but I enjoyed it and even liked the thought of the man they had filming everything.
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It was good. But not near the bass of live free
I know what I'm gong to do; I'll revisit them last two BR titles* from the 'Die Hard' quintology, and see/hear which one is the most dramatically bass impacting one. Then I'll share my "subjective" evaluation...and perhaps the graphs will also eventually pop up.

* Not right away though...got few other things to watch first...but soon.
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I know what I'm gong to do; I'll revisit them last two BR titles* from the 'Die Hard' quintology, and see/hear which one is the most dramatically bass impacting one. Then I'll share my "subjective" evaluation...and perhaps the graphs will also eventually pop up.

* Not right away though...got few other things to watch first...but soon.
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Live Free or Die Hard:

Level - 4 Stars (111.6dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (28.65dB)
Execution - 5 Stars by Poll

Overall - 4.75 Stars

Recommendation - BUY by Poll



A good day:

Level - 4 Stars (111.2dB)
Extension - 5 Stars (1Hz)
Dynamics - 4 Stars (26.4dB)
Execution - 4 Stars - Good use of ULF, just not on par with the best of the best, IMO, and the movie was not that good. This will be up for debate.

Overall - 4.25 Stars
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Thx Brian, that's awesome. ...I'll revisit them both.
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I'm with you on FA, loved it and have watched it twice so far. I could see some not liking the "found footage" style or maybe its too scary ala Hostel for others but I enjoyed it and even liked the thought of the man they had filming everything.
That is awesome! I knew I couldn't be the only one who really liked FA!

As far as the last two Die Hard films and bass goes, I thought they were pretty close overall which the objective backs up as they are only half a star different from eachother. Both have some great scenes/moments!
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He's gotta be referring to Dragon Blade.....
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Very interesting comparison and goes to show how the graphs can never tell the full story of a bass track. One of the LFE experiences I consider a true 5 star, one of the best (HB2) and the other a good, but 4 star at best all things considered with hiw I rate bass, start to finish. Other variables at play!
It's a volume level issue. Turn EOT up 5 dB compared to HB2 and you will find it is just as good. When level matching the graphs they are nearly identical.
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He's gotta be referring to Dragon Blade.....
http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/index.p...-dragon-blade/

* I don't see a September 4th Blu-ray release in the USA for this title (it was released last June; an import from Hong Kong, and also in 3D).

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@ Fatshaft whom is tis new King ye speak of! And I'm willing to bet my lunch its an Atmos disc
I will take that bet..... SO where are you taking me then??? It aint atmos
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It's a volume level issue. Turn EOT up 5 dB compared to HB2 and you will find it is just as good. When level matching the graphs they are nearly identical.
Disagree. The graphs overall seem level matched. Now try this experiment---put a piece of paper over the graphs above 30Hz, so you can just see that low content. CLEAR difference.

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EoT is not a 5 star bass movie without the opening scene but still really good. HB2 has a 5-7 dB output level more than EoT and that is a big difference. It is like doubling your subwoofers.

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Disagree. The graphs overall seem level matched. Now try this experiment---put a piece of paper over the graphs above 30Hz, so you can just see that low content. CLEAR difference.
There is a difference in level, not slope. Turn up your subs 5 dB on EOT and it's the same
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There is a difference in level, not slope. Turn up your subs 5 dB on EOT and it's the same
I've actually done that. And it's still not the same presentation at all. There is just more content in more scenes, period. Besides which, at the end of the day, there is 5-7 db difference in what is one the disc, regardless of what the end user does to alter it. But, as always, different strokes....
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He's gotta be referring to Dragon Blade.....
Never heard of it! was the movie itself any good to go along with this great bass?

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I will take that bet..... SO where are you taking me then??? It aint atmos
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I've actually done that. And it's still not the same presentation at all. There is just more content in more scenes, period. Besides which, at the end of the day, there is 5-7 db difference in what is one the disc, regardless of what the end user does to alter it. But, as always, different strokes....

Can you please share how you determine the level differences? I've seen this a few times and can't figure out how members find this information.

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Never heard of it! was the movie itself any good to go along with this great bass?
Movie was ok, for what it is. Biggest budget Chines film ever made, I hear. Sad to see both John Cusack and Adrien Brody taking this B-movie route after the success they had earlier in their careers. But it's a paycheck!
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It's a volume level issue. Turn EOT up 5 dB compared to HB2 and you will find it is just as good. When level matching the graphs they are nearly identical.
I think there is more at play than a simple level difference, at least as far as why I strongly prefer HB2. I would bet both general bass execution and bass quantity are a bit better on HB2. Even if it is simply a level difference, I never grade a bass track on how good I can make it through tweaking, I judge it as it is. As it stands, for whatever reason, HB2 is clearly in a different league overall vs EoT for LFE IMO.
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I've been graphing the 5 stars movie and will be doing GIF's to compare them to the new KING of 5 stars...in my opinion of course.
Now I do not have all the 5 stars so here's an example of what I'll be showing...


Settings are Exactly the same for all PvA's that I'll be posting...stay tuned
I can't wait for the low-end capable system owners to see the new king of ULF in a movie...
Those with floating floors will freak out!
How does one graph the PVA?

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I think there is more at play than a simple level difference, at least as far as why I strongly prefer HB2. I would bet both general bass execution and bass quantity are a bit better on HB2. Even if it is simply a level difference, I never grade a bass track on how good I can make it through tweaking, I judge it as it is. As it stands, for whatever reason, HB2 is clearly in a different league overall vs EoT for LFE IMO.
It has more deep bass, plus plenty of 30 Hz content, which is in that "slam" range.
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Its also how the bass lines up with what is actually happening on the screen.

EOT has a lot of redundant footage so the same effect gets played over and over. Also EOT has so much going on in a battlefield environment that I actually felt it could have done with more bass.

These are just my subjective impressions of it from more of an artistic perspective of course.
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