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Nice to see that BvS made up for the bass-embarrassment that was Man of Steel. I think in Man of Steel, I actually checked to see if my subs were on. With BvS, the film lets you know right away that they're not playing any games this time around. I actually turned my subs down. Though I got the impression, on my system at least, those opening notes might have been louder than anything else in the film.
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How low does BvS dig down? There was some pulsating scenes that jus made my floor, walls, and couch shake and not hear anything. Overall, it's a bass heavy movie throughout. Plus on the ATMOS too..
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Nice to see that BvS made up for the bass-embarrassment that was Man of Steel. I think in Man of Steel, I actually checked to see if my subs were on. With BvS, the film lets you know right away that they're not playing any games this time around. I actually turned my subs down. Though I got the impression, on my system at least, those opening notes might have been louder than anything else in the film.

That's good to hear. I'm giving it a spin tonight so I'm hoping all the buzz lately about the LFE is legit. Man of Steel was disappointing, to say the least, in the bass department so I'm encouraged by the talk about BvS.

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MOS wasn't an award winner, but it had some solid moments in it. were there moments that could have used more? sure. but it was still a pretty good overall presentation. it's not like it was the hobbit or anything. i certainly liked the story better than BVS, that's for sure.
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Wow bass monster is an understatement for BvS

Too bad the movie is a stinker. Just all over the place oh well. Not like I won't watch it again.

4K wasn't the best. But was nice
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Not all studios support immersive audio on home video equally.

Fox doesn't do Atmos or DTS:X on Blu-ray whatsoever. Only UHD.
Disney is the same yet they haven't released UHD's yet.
Lionsgate has been using Atmos on Blu-ray and even more on UHD now also with DTS:X.
Paramount does both but is now heavily supporting UHD.
Same for Sony and Universal.
Warner Bros has been good at releasing on both formats equally.


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Brian did you watch the extended version? It looks like I can only play the extended version if I'm 4k capable...

Am I missing something?
yes I did...but i ONLY watch in 4k
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The projector is the main reason and the fact that I would have to buy another video processor too because my lumagen XD does not support 4k. Projector and video processor is a hefty investment that I really don't need to make right now because everything is working great in my theater right now. If something breaks I might consider at that point.

Or, you could just upgrade to a UHD Blu-ray player (so far, the Sammy and the Philips has dual HDMI outs; one HDMI 2.0a for 4K/HDR that will auto-detect your display capability, even if can only do 1080p, and one HDMI 1.4b for audio only, so that you can still enjoy the immersive audio on those titles that are UHD-exclusive).

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Watched BvS Ultimate last night...

Well.... it was okay. Certainly "bassy" but nothing to write home about. Mostly a 30hz monster like everything else.

The Atmos was okay too. Pretty good 7.1 though.
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Watched BvS Ultimate last night...

Well.... it was okay. Certainly "bassy" but nothing to write home about. Mostly a 30hz monster like everything else.

The Atmos was okay too. Pretty good 7.1 though.
Yep. Bassy, not really so impressed. Dingy picture. Poor narrative rollout intended to stand in for artistic complexity and depth of material. Even at greater than 3 hours length, apparently not enough time to make convincing the case either had against the other. The turnaround was even more breathtakingly inexplicable...sound was good enough to warrant a buy, not sure it will ever make my demo list....
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I actually enjoyed the theatrical cut enough that I was quite excited to get this on home video. The Ultimate Cut just improved upon what was good. Granted, there is plenty of things that are bad about this film but it had some good and I enjoyed it.

Heh, I kept playing with my picture controls while watching. Often things were too dark or simply appeared with crushed blacks. That bugged me. Sound design was good but the overhead layer (Atmos) could and should have been used more effectively, imho.

Bass was okay (by my high standards). Definitely a soundtrack that will shake walls and stuff which is why most people come in here going "ermagerd dah bass, yo!". It was alright but nothing brilliant.

Wished the UC had the IMAX shots. The dessert dream sequence and much of the "fight" towards the end looked epic in IMAX.

Oh well.
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I actually enjoyed the theatrical cut enough that I was quite excited to get this on home video. The Ultimate Cut just improved upon what was good. Granted, there is plenty of things that are bad about this film but it had some good and I enjoyed it.

Heh, I kept playing with my picture controls while watching. Often things were too dark or simply appeared with crushed blacks. That bugged me. Sound design was good but the overhead layer (Atmos) could and should have been used more effectively, imho.

Bass was okay (by my high standards). Definitely a soundtrack that will shake walls and stuff which is why most people come in here going "ermagerd dah bass, yo!". It was alright but nothing brilliant.

Wished the UC had the IMAX shots. The dessert dream sequence and much of the "fight" towards the end looked epic in IMAX.

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You need to start your own review thread here, seriously. You covered ever thing I was thinking. I would give it a tier 2 or under rating for bass. With the Crowson added to the mix, there's even a greater divide between tier 1 movies and the rest. I watched San Andreas immediately following a TIH/LFDH and now SA will be banished to the sound bar tier.
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Deadpool, wow thats .. thats sooo different. Audio made just about how i like it - Strong clean bass and awesome audio mix and film!

BvsS dosent come close with its aggressive sound mix, to much of everything all the time.
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You need to start your own review thread here, seriously. You covered ever thing I was thinking. I would give it a tier 2 or under rating for bass. With the Crowson added to the mix, there's even a greater divide between tier 1 movies and the rest. I watched San Andreas immediately following a TIH/LFDH and now SA will be banished to the sound bar tier.


Can you elaborate? Did the Crowsons make it worse, or is it just that those other flicks are so much better with the effect the Crowsons deliver?


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You need to start your own review thread here, seriously. You covered ever thing I was thinking. I would give it a tier 2 or under rating for bass. With the Crowson added to the mix, there's even a greater divide between tier 1 movies and the rest. I watched San Andreas immediately following a TIH/LFDH and now SA will be banished to the sound bar tier.
Haha, thanks!

Though I'd rather not be doing reviews formally or anything. That's what this thread is good for.

SA was okay but certainly no TIH/LFDH. No way.
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Just saw the new Star Trek in the theater and it had some awesome bass and an overall great soundtrack. Can't wait for it to be released on blueray to try it at home.
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As ULFTR increases, the gap between those movies has widen. Basically the content with strong ULF response is even more dynamic with the MA's added. In effect its more tactile displacement available to the content that takes advantage of it.
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BvS was pretty bad ass, i have no clue what the hell the critics are talking about, i think its one of those things where everyone thinks its bad so everyone jumps on the train. look at ghostbuster 2016 for god sakes, it got high reviews from critics, that Fake Controversy, SJW, feminist pile of Sh&T that barely made any money, all men are bad, stupid or jerks, blows the characters dick off and saved the day, end of story, that's the whole film. but BvS is horrible? that gets crapped on all day by the critic? who give ghostbuster 2016, avengers, ant man and other candy store films like that good reviews? no way.

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Ghost busters 2016 was definetly a stinky pile of feminist turd lol.... One of the worst movies I've ever seen.

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Yes, they used to offer dolby atmos tracks on standard blu ray, but it is now only available on 4k and 3d discs. A marketing trap for 4k ultra hd discs.
Really? When did this crap start?

I do think BvS, and MoS before that, are very poor films given what could've been accomplished, this isn't a good Superman and Nolan did Batman far better. The final fight in the film is an audio treat from what I remember.
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Looks good to me!
Guess I must be one of those hopeless romantic types -- I still favor evaluating how the bass in the movie sounds, versus how it "looks," and even though the sound of BvS was maybe not everything it could have been, it was still more rewarding (to me) than looking at that graph...I would even venture that the visuals in the flick, dark and dingy though they were, gave me more satisfaction than the visual of the graph, but I guess I've always been more of a movie guy -- maybe the logo in the graph helped the visual a little bit, so there was that....
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Really? When did this crap start?

I do think BvS, and MoS before that, are very poor films given what could've been accomplished, this isn't a good Superman and Nolan did Batman far better. The final fight in the film is an audio treat from what I remember.
Dolby atmos only being available on thr ultra hd hdr disc instead of blu ray coincided with the release of thr 4k material and the Samsung 4k player. 1st I saw it happen was with the release of Deadpool, but this may just be studio specific or a timing thing, as others have pointed out. It is the wild west with thr new format and they have to motivate people to go 4k somehow.
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No one is going to accuse Ghostbusters of being a masterpiece, and it seemed like it was missing something to me. Still, I thought it accomplished what it was designed to do: to entertain and revitalize the franchise.
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[QUOTE=MrGrey;45533849]BvS was pretty bad ass, i have no clue what the hell the critics are talking about, i think its one of those things where everyone thinks its bad so everyone jumps on the train. look at ghostbuster 2016 for god sakes, it got high reviews from critics, that Fake Controversy, SJW, feminist pile of Sh&T that barely made any money, all men are bad, stupid or jerks, blows the characters dick off and saved the day, end of story, that's the whole film. but BvS is horrible? that gets crapped on all day by the critic? who give ghostbuster 2016, avengers, ant man and other candy store films like that good kes, it got high reviews from critics, that Fake Controversy, SJW, feminist pile of Sh&T that barely made any money, all men are bad, stupid or jerks, blows the characters dick off and saved the day, end of story, that's the whole film. but BvS is horrible? that gets crapped on all day by the critic?]

I normally dont agree with critics, but I viewed BVS as a step in the wrong direction. BVS looked amazing in the trailers and I came into the film thinking it was going to be epic. After all, Nolan's Dark Knight series had turned Batman into a huge phenomenon and the new person involved had been responsible for Watchmen, 300 and Sucker Punch, all films I enjoyed. Ben Affleck did well as Batman, despite never changing his expression, but the writing seemed quite suspect and the threat of Doomsday was underwhelming. Lex Luther's portrayal was just odd and seemed to try to reproduce the Joker's personality.

This film was intended to introduce the JLA, so DC can compete with the Avengers Franchise. It didn't exactly leave me counting the seconds for that eventuality. My take on the film was that I bet it would have been amazing if Nolan had been involved.

But,to each their own. I thought the Nolan Dark Knight trilogy were at th e top of the best super hero movies ever made, so anything trying to live up to that, especially after replacing the actor portraying batman, is going to have a hard time meeting expectations.
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BvS was pretty bad ass, i have no clue what the hell the critics are talking about, i think its one of those things where everyone thinks its bad so everyone jumps on the train. look at ghostbuster 2016 for god sakes, it got high reviews from critics, that Fake Controversy, SJW, feminist pile of Sh&T that barely made any money, all men are bad, stupid or jerks, blows the characters dick off and saved the day, end of story, that's the whole film. but BvS is horrible? that gets crapped on all day by the critic? who give ghostbuster 2016, avengers, ant man and other candy store films like that good reviews? no way.
I agree with you Mrgrey. I loved bvs. Iv watched it at least 3 times now and wouldn't mind seeing it again.

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I was reading a review on blu-ray.com for BvS and i went back this morning to reading it again, and it was deleted... so i said hey WTF and went into the forums and yep its was done on purpose, i guess if you criticize the website lords and don't agree with their every word you are banished. the guy that wrote the review was super respectful he just didn't agree with the guy and pointed out flaws, i hate cry babies and losers like that, take it like a man or jump off a bridge.
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BvS was pretty bad ass, i have no clue what the hell the critics are talking about, i think its one of those things where everyone thinks its bad so everyone jumps on the train. look at ghostbuster 2016 for god sakes, it got high reviews from critics, that Fake Controversy, SJW, feminist pile of Sh&T that barely made any money, all men are bad, stupid or jerks, blows the characters dick off and saved the day, end of story, that's the whole film. but BvS is horrible? that gets crapped on all day by the critic? who give ghostbuster 2016, avengers, ant man and other candy store films like that good kes, it got high reviews from critics, that Fake Controversy, SJW, feminist pile of Sh&T that barely made any money, all men are bad, stupid or jerks, blows the characters dick off and saved the day, end of story, that's the whole film. but BvS is horrible? that gets crapped on all day by the critic?]

I normally dont agree with critics, but I viewed BVS as a step in the wrong direction. BVS looked amazing in the trailers and I came into the film thinking it was going to be epic. After all, Nolan's Dark Knight series had turned Batman into a huge phenomenon and the new person involved had been responsible for Watchmen, 300 and Sucker Punch, all films I enjoyed. Ben Affleck did well as Batman, despite never changing his expression, but the writing seemed quite suspect and the threat of Doomsday was underwhelming. Lex Luther's portrayal was just odd and seemed to try to reproduce the Joker's personality.

This film was intended to introduce the JLA, so DC can compete with the Avengers Franchise. It didn't exactly leave me counting the seconds for that eventuality. My take on the film was that I bet it would have been amazing if Nolan had been involved.

But,to each their own. I thought the Nolan Dark Knight trilogy were at th e top of the best super hero movies ever made, so anything trying to live up to that, especially after replacing the actor portraying batman, is going to have a hard time meeting expectations.


See i think that's where i differ, i had no clue it was setting up the Justice League or i was conscious to it, i just saw it as a film and was literally searching on the web for BvS standalone to understand what this film it means in the bigger picture, but all i got was Ben making a stand along batman film. so i guess that's what I'm not seeing. i saw blown away when they showed off the other metahumans it got me pumped to see more of them.
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See i think that's where i differ, i had no clue it was setting up the Justice League or i was conscious to it, i just saw it as a film and was literally searching on the web for BvS standalone to understand what this film it means in the bigger picture, but all i got was Ben making a stand along batman film. so i guess that's what I'm not seeing. i saw blown away when they showed off the other metahumans it got me pumped to see more of them.
I am a pretty die hard comic fan so I also may judge comic movies more harshly than others. Marvel took things to thr next level with the Avengers films, so DC has to try to match the momentum with its own team: The Justice League of America.
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I am a pretty die hard comic fan so I also may judge comic movies more harshly than others. Marvel took things to thr next level with the Avengers films, so DC has to try to match the momentum with its own team: The Justice League of America.
Ha yeah you might look it way deeper and with more knowledge than me. I love comic films for sure but I love them dark like what Zack Snyder has done with Watchmen and BvS, Captain America is the only avenger that brings that weight in the MCU avengers thing, I just can't laugh while people are getting turned into pavement butter it's just too kiddy for me so I welcome Zack's vision any day.

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