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I see. I brought it up because I've heard and read that in order to really see the difference from 1080 to 4k you need a really large tv. Having said that I was wondering if watching 4k media with a 4k panel would it still look like 1080 if the tv is not big enough.

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Well my "tv" is 130" sooooooooo

But like I said it really isn't about the added clarity. It's the HDR and WCG that is the biggest gains
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Well my "tv" is 130" sooooooooo

But like I said it really isn't about the added clarity. It's the HDR and WCG that is the biggest gains
What's WCG?

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Is the audio for The Dead Room much better on bluray vs Netflix? I hear Netflix doesn't apply any filters.

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HDCP 2.2 compatible hardware, 4K player, all needed to do those things since its not compatible with older Blu-ray hardware. so we have to give $$$ to get ATMOS from certain horrible studios who wants to force us to pay and upgrade.


Agreed, but those folks who wanted Atmos in the first place would be faced with the problem of waiting for an AVR that could achieve HDCP 2.2 and 18.2Gbit HDMI, which is what I did when I bought my Marantz SR7010. It's only the folks who bought the certain 2015 AVR models that might be stuck. And the only other item required is the uhd Blu-ray player which isn't really that expensive. The final remaining piece is the TV, and I'd argue that folks should be careful not to buy one before the standards aren't in place fully.

Regardless, your point about the studios dropping Atmos from BR discs is King and should be the focus. It's ridiculous that they would do that, especially given that sound mixing to do what they are doing cause more overhead for them, just so that folks are left without those features unless they upgrade.
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You could but most people would take the leap with a 4k tv included. Why invest in a 4k player and capable receiver and use a 1080p tv. Even if that's the case you'd be forced to buy a 4k tv simply because we love this hobby and it's all or nothing. The industry knows this.

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The only problem is that TVs are lagging behind the sound, the discs, and the processors. A decent 4K projector starts at $10,000, and flat TVs mostly still don't have HDR and DVision standards included and aren't completely flushed out. I hope 2017 is different for flats, but projectors might take even longer.
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I see. I brought it up because I've heard and read that in order to really see the difference from 1080 to 4k you need a really large tv. Having said that I was wondering if watching 4k media with a 4k panel would it still look like 1080 if the tv is not big enough.

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Well my "tv" is 130" sooooooooo

But like I said it really isn't about the added clarity. It's the HDR and WCG that is the biggest gains
Sorry we've gotten a bit off topic, but one last rant and I'm done. :smiley:

This is the way I wish the market moved, HDR and WCG enabled TVs, actual improvements in picture quality over just adding pixels that the eye can't resolve without a massive screen. I feel the industry pushed 4K way before it was really needed, because the previously named improvements alone wouldn't sell more TVs.

The movie industry has been filming in 4K for decades but essentially downsampling to 2K or lower resolution for the ease of post production. The vast majority of current 4K/UHD disc releases are only actually scanned in at 2K resolution and some are only even filmed at 2K but are being upscaled and marketed as 4K/UHD, which is not really accurate to the source material.

I feel 2K resolution is the sweet spot right now, and I wish that was the next iteration instead of these ridiculous jumps to 4K and even 8K televisions (really?). There's a reason people with gaming computers widely embrace 2K resolution as the current standard for its impressive detail; it's also much easier to process than pushing a 4K monitor. For these reasons, I have a powerful PC I built for gaming at 2K, and it looks fantastic.

But hey, I'm just a consumer and make no claims to be anything but. /rant over
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The only problem is that TVs are lagging behind the sound, the discs, and the processors. A decent 4K projector starts at $10,000, and flat TVs mostly still don't have HDR and DVision standards included and aren't completely flushed out. I hope 2017 is different for flats, but projectors might take even longer.
You couldn't be more wrong with "a decent 4K pj starts at 10,000" statement
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Sorry we've gotten a bit off topic, but one last rant and I'm done. :smiley:

This is the way I wish the market moved, HDR and WCG enabled TVs, actual improvements in picture quality over just adding pixels that the eye can't resolve without a massive screen. I feel the industry pushed 4K way before it was really needed, because the previously named improvements alone wouldn't sell more TVs.

The movie industry has been filming in 4K for decades but essentially downsampling to 2K or lower resolution for the ease of post production. The vast majority of current 4K/UHD disc releases are only actually scanned in at 2K resolution and some are only even filmed at 2K but are being upscaled and marketed as 4K/UHD, which is not really accurate to the source material.

I feel 2K resolution is the sweet spot right now, and I wish that was the next iteration instead of these ridiculous jumps to 4K and even 8K televisions (really?). There's a reason people with gaming computers widely embrace 2K resolution as the current standard for its impressive detail; it's also much easier to process than pushing a 4K monitor. For these reasons, I have a powerful PC I built for gaming at 2K, and it looks fantastic.

But hey, I'm just a consumer and make no claims to be anything but. /rant over
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You couldn't be more wrong with "a decent 4K pj starts at 10,000" statement

Sorry, I didn't know this. Which ones?
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The only native 4K pj at that price range atm is the sony, but the JVC rs400/500/600's 4K Eshift and the epsons 4K enhancement are both arguably close enough that you can't notice it to a native 4K panel. Both of those PJ lines are WELL below the price you are discussing, and both actually will throw an overall better presentation than the $10,000 once you look at all aspects of the picture.

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The only native 4K pj at that price range atm is the sony, but the JVC rs400/500/600's 4K Eshift and the epsons 4K enhancement are both arguably close enough that you can't notice it to a native 4K panel. Both of those PJ lines are WELL below the price you are discussing, and both actually will throw an overall better presentation than the $10,000 once you look at all aspects of the picture.


I know we're off-topic, but I promise not to drag this out.

Agreed: pixel-shift is faux-K and 4K costs ten grand or even $25k for a good projector. Even if pixel-shift is pretty much 4K and looks amazing, it's technically not true 2160p

I've heard these JVCs and Epsons are excellent, almost indistinguishable to uhd, but then I read reviews like the SoundAndVision from Sep 2nd whereby the reviewer of an Epson 6040UB couldn't make the claim that content from The Martian looked was better on uhd versus the 1080p version.

I was only making the point that true uhd for projectors is still lagging, but perhaps pixel-shift makes that argument moot.
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I know we're off-topic, but I promise not to drag this out.

Agreed: pixel-shift is faux-K and 4K costs ten grand or even $25k for a good projector. Even if pixel-shift is pretty much 4K and looks amazing, it's technically not true 2160p

I've heard these JVCs and Epsons are excellent, almost indistinguishable to uhd, but then I read reviews like the SoundAndVision from Sep 2nd whereby the reviewer of an Epson 6040UB couldn't make the claim that content from The Martian looked was better on uhd versus the 1080p version.

I was only making the point that true uhd for projectors is still lagging, but perhaps pixel-shift makes that argument moot.
Can't disagree with any of that, but I will say the shining improvement that has been given to us in the last little while IMO is still WCG. It's not HDR, it's not 11ty million pixels. What people will all eventually realize is the 4k displays only look incredibly better due to the new color mapping I can't wait to give it a try myself.
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I know we're off-topic, but I promise not to drag this out.

Agreed: pixel-shift is faux-K and 4K costs ten grand or even $25k for a good projector. Even if pixel-shift is pretty much 4K and looks amazing, it's technically not true 2160p

I've heard these JVCs and Epsons are excellent, almost indistinguishable to uhd, but then I read reviews like the SoundAndVision from Sep 2nd whereby the reviewer of an Epson 6040UB couldn't make the claim that content from The Martian looked was better on uhd versus the 1080p version.

I was only making the point that true uhd for projectors is still lagging, but perhaps pixel-shift makes that argument moot.
HDR is a joke from the sounds of it when it comes to HT front projection at this point in time due to the relatively low brightness of projectors in general vs your typical flat panel. HDR is one area where flat panels seem to have a BIG advantage vs front projectors. Sounds like WCG is the big selling point right now.

Like you, I would prefer a true 4K machine, but my plan is to jump in with whatever replaces the RS500 a year from now when that model gets introduced at Cedia. Hopefully JVC will include a long awaited and long requested low lag mode on next years models as well like they are bringing to their new 4k projector!
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HDR is a joke from the sounds of it when it comes to HT front projection at this point in time due to the relatively low brightness of projectors in general vs your typical flat panel. HDR is one area where flat panels seem to have a BIG advantage vs front projectors. Sounds like WCG is the big selling point right now.



Like you, I would prefer a true 4K machine, but my plan is to jump in with whatever replaces the RS500 a year from now when that model gets introduced at Cedia. Hopefully JVC will include a long awaited and long requested low lag mode on next years models as well like they are bringing to their new 4k projector!


Which is why I'd rather spend $399 for a new uhd player, get Atmos, and then execute on an HDR display in 2017/18. Even HDR on flat panels is risky and tricky. The standards are still being worked out...
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Why can't someone just play uhd discs and get Atmos while the display is 1080p?
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Sorry, I didn't know this. Which ones?
The Sony 365 streets for well under 10k. With the latest firmware hdr was added.
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It was inevitable this discussion would have led to WCG, uhd, 4K. But I'm sure we can all get back to movie charts with BASS
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American Horror Story 6 premiers tonight. I'm sure I'll have great bass like the other ones.

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Heck yeah it's good. Creepy as can be. Wife and I jumped several times. I hope it continues this way if not better because I was disappointed with Hotel.

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I was so underwhelmed by the freak show season that I skipped Hotel altogether. This season seem like it worth jumping back in for based on the first episode so far?

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I was so underwhelmed by the freak show season that I skipped Hotel altogether. This season seem like it worth jumping back in for based on the first episode so far?
I enjoyed the first one AHS and FS but I still have recorded the last 4 episodes of Hotel as it got weird. At this point I'll continue to watch it and hope for the best. Love the bass with these shows though.

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Ah see I didn't have my audio system setup for the first few seasons which I watched - so the sound wasn't really a factor. Since I do have a audio system now, and love listening to content with great bass, I think I am back in for this season! What is the theme? I guess if you reply with it, please hide it in spoiler tags for those who may not want to know.

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Hotel was my least favorite as well. Kinda thought the vampire theme was a bit of a cop out and I'm not a gaga fan (that face belonged in Freak Show). Still enjoyed it for what it was though.

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Ah see I didn't have my audio system setup for the first few seasons which I watched - so the sound wasn't really a factor. Since I do have a audio system now, and love listening to content with great bass, I think I am back in for this season! What is the theme? I guess if you reply with it, please hide it in spoiler tags for those who may not want to know.

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Ah see I didn't have my audio system setup for the first few seasons which I watched - so the sound wasn't really a factor. Since I do have a audio system now, and love listening to content with great bass, I think I am back in for this season! What is the theme? I guess if you reply with it, please hide it in spoiler tags for those who may not want to know.
I am not sure exactly what it's going to be about this time except it looks like it might be different stories. ..maybe.
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I thought the same thing. I don't really care much for anything vampire. I just need to finish watching the last 4 episodes so I can finally say that I've seen them all and be current with this new one.

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Which American Horror Story season got the best bass?

I have not watch any American Horror Story tv show yet but might be interested if this show got great bass.
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Which American Horror Story season got the best bass?

I have not watch any American Horror Story tv show yet but might be interested if this show got great bass.
Idk exactly which one because it's been awhile since I've seen the other ones but start with this new season AHS 6.

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This is interesting, most definitely a film that deserves more spotlight.



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Watched Blair Witch last Thursday (yesterday) night at the theater. Thought it had awesome sound. Some moments of powerful bass/LFE and great use of surrounds throughout. Looking forward to watching this at home.
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Watched Blair Witch last Thursday (yesterday) night at the theater. Thought it had awesome sound. Some moments of powerful bass/LFE and great use of surrounds throughout. Looking forward to watching this at home.
How was the film?

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