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I didnt notice it was Paramount. I like supporting Paramount because they still include Atmos across the board and even on their rental discs. I'll be renting it for sure, but at this point I don't feel it's worth buying. I've made quite a few silly bluray purchases that I'll likely never watch again, but those are usually bass heavy tracks. I bet the audio presentation is done well in Star Trek Beyond, and I'm not always all about that bass...just this time. Maybe the use of Atmos and other effects will be out of this world. :smiley:
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I don't know; all this discussion about the "very weak" bass measured/graphed from Star Trek: Beyond is beyond me; the Blu-ray is only coming up next week, November 1st (8 days from today). I'll do my own personal bass analysis because I will get it then. I just cannot resist, it's futile.

And for me it's the (((3D))) version that's coming up:







Review: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-T...160491/#Review

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This is a Paramount Blu-ray movie release; so it means that the three different versions, 1080p, UHD/4K and 3D Blu-ray, all get the same hi-res Dolby Atmos treatment and the alternate Dolby TrueHD 7.1 surround sound. Then, and only then I'll be able to hear what kind of low bass is in there.

Sure, some people have already reviewed their advanced BR copy, today (as in that review just above), and we'll see if they missed that bass or not. Perhaps the BR reviewer didn't pay close attention?



Here's one audio quality extract:



"The track expands moments later with a barrage of nifty sound effects and accompanying bass that set the tone for the track (and set the story in motion) while offering a good sampling of what the track can accomplish."



And the full audio "canopy":



"Star Trek Beyond warps onto Blu-ray with a proficient and generally exciting Dolby Atmos soundtrack. The presentation begins with a quality example of how the added overhead channels can enhance a scene. Kirk is playing the role of mediator between two alien factions that don't like one another very much, and similar to the trial that sent the elder Kirk to Rura Penthe, he's standing in a very large, vertically stretched chamber that allows for some rich reverberation that essentially puts the listener in his shoes. The track further expands moments later with a barrage of nifty sound effects and accompanying bass that set the tone for the track (and set the story in motion) while offering a good sampling of what the track can accomplish. Action scenes are wonderfully complex yet smooth and detailed. Explosions, phaser blasts, falling debris, and other all-inclusive action details are perfectly meshed together with seamless 360-degree immersion and a complimentary top layer that, beyond a few moments, never dominates the proceedings but rather enhances them a great deal. One of the best moments in the film, and a strong Atmos reference moment, comes when the top layer of the stage seems to roll with the sound of heavy wreckage as the shot pans around at the 48:20 mark. Likewise, dripping water seems to plop from the ceiling in a cavernous enemy compound at one point. Immersive din is enjoyable on the bustling streets of Yorktown. Music, whether score or popular, is smooth and detailed throughout the range, and plays with an enveloping flow around the stage. Dialogue is clear and detailed, well prioritized and comfortably focused in the center channel, save for when the track naturally expands its placement for effect."



And a conclusion extract:



"For two hours of Star Trek fun, it doesn't get much better than this. Paramount's Blu-ray 3D release of Star Trek Beyond features enticing and well-utilized 3D video, upper-tier audio."


I don't mean to go off topic but I love Star Trek! Even the 'hokey' ones are entertaining these days. But when I left the theater I didn't have that "can't wait till it is on blu feeling." Out of the reboots this was the weakest installment. I liked the characters and action, but it didn't have the depth of the first film. That is my two cents and the sound was lacking in the theater. I will definitely rent this and maybe buy it on sale. Not saying I hated the film but it doesn't put me in the buy now category.


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I've always enjoyed some movies which are widely considered mediocre or even downright awful by the masses and I guess STB is no exception. While others here are saying they left the theater underwhelmed by either the plot, cinematography, audio track, etc. I remember leaving the theater with a very high outlook on the whole thing.

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Anyways, I've enjoyed much lesser thought of movies than this (see: Battlefield Earth), so I'm curious as to how it'll be reviewed here by those who've pre-ordered it. As I said, I've cancelled my pre-order for now, after seeing the graph and @MrGrey review, but pending even a decent review from someone, I'll be off to best buy during my lunch break next week to pick it up.
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Watched 3 movies last couple days –

Independence Day – Resurgence
Weak / boring soundtrack – weaker movie – was hard to watch whole thing –
Disappointing for sure - Skip this one

Warcraft - Enjoyed this a lot – soundtrack was rockin-
Great ride

Star Trek – Beyond – 7.1 TrueHD Atmos mix-
Now this was interesting –
I had seen the graph and couple reviews so was expecting the worst –
But got to say after finishing movie – I really had no issues with the audio.
For sure there was No room bass lock or my couch moving but execution worked
and felt weight at appropriate times.
Have to assume same soundtrack that MrGrey graphed –
But guess what I trying to say is that to me was decent HT experience
and will be watching it again.
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Watched 3 movies last couple days –

Independence Day – Resurgence
Weak / boring soundtrack – weaker movie – was hard to watch whole thing –
Disappointing for sure - Skip this one

Warcraft - Enjoyed this a lot – soundtrack was rockin-
Great ride

Star Trek – Beyond – 7.1 TrueHD Atmos mix-
Now this was interesting –
I had seen the graph and couple reviews so was expecting the worst –
But got to say after finishing movie – I really had no issues with the audio.
For sure there was No room bass lock or my couch moving but execution worked
and felt weight at appropriate times.
Have to assume same soundtrack that MrGrey graphed –
But guess what I trying to say is that to me was decent HT experience
and will be watching it again.
Can you confirm you had some kind of advanced copy (one week early)
of the actual Star Trek Beyond Bluray with Atmos Audio Before anyone else.
...or was it some kind of online digital download?

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Watched 3 movies last couple days –

Independence Day – Resurgence
Weak / boring soundtrack – weaker movie – was hard to watch whole thing –
Disappointing for sure - Skip this one

Warcraft - Enjoyed this a lot – soundtrack was rockin-
Great ride

Star Trek – Beyond – 7.1 TrueHD Atmos mix-
Now this was interesting –
I had seen the graph and couple reviews so was expecting the worst –
But got to say after finishing movie – I really had no issues with the audio.
For sure there was No room bass lock or my couch moving but execution worked
and felt weight at appropriate times.
Have to assume same soundtrack that MrGrey graphed –
But guess what I trying to say is that to me was decent HT experience
and will be watching it again.
And with that nod for Star Trek Beyond, it's back on the buy list I got Warcraft in today and will watch over the weekend, good news indeed
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Watched 3 movies last couple days –

Independence Day – Resurgence
Weak / boring soundtrack – weaker movie – was hard to watch whole thing –
Disappointing for sure - Skip this one

Warcraft - Enjoyed this a lot – soundtrack was rockin-
Great ride

Star Trek – Beyond – 7.1 TrueHD Atmos mix-
Now this was interesting –
I had seen the graph and couple reviews so was expecting the worst –
But got to say after finishing movie – I really had no issues with the audio.
For sure there was No room bass lock or my couch moving but execution worked
and felt weight at appropriate times.
Have to assume same soundtrack that MrGrey graphed –
But guess what I trying to say is that to me was decent HT experience
and will be watching it again.
Great to hear all is not lost with the new Trek! Thanks for the report GP as I always enjoy reading your thoughts since we seem to have similar bass/audio taste. Curious to give this a rent.

Looking forward to Warcraft as well when I can rent it.
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And with that nod for Star Trek Beyond, it's back on the buy list I got Warcraft in today and will watch over the weekend, good news indeed


Lol same here. It didn't take much to convince me to jump back on the STB bandwagon. At the end of the day I enjoyed the movie and have been itching for a 3D movie to finally test out the new projector with.
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Watched 3 movies last couple days –

Independence Day – Resurgence
Weak / boring soundtrack – weaker movie – was hard to watch whole thing –
Disappointing for sure - Skip this one

Warcraft - Enjoyed this a lot – soundtrack was rockin-
Great ride

Star Trek – Beyond – 7.1 TrueHD Atmos mix-
Now this was interesting –
I had seen the graph and couple reviews so was expecting the worst –
But got to say after finishing movie – I really had no issues with the audio.
For sure there was No room bass lock or my couch moving but execution worked
and felt weight at appropriate times.
Have to assume same soundtrack that MrGrey graphed –
But guess what I trying to say is that to me was decent HT experience
and will be watching it again.
Just goes to show that a decent ride can be had with a high cutoff. Yes, we all want that full bandwidth extension, but the majority of the bass effects above 30hz are what comprise 90% of the soundtracks anyways. I'd honestly rather have a good, well mixed soundtrack with a 25-30hz cutoff that a garbage mix that tosses a few 5hz tones in there for a scene or two and gets the 5 star extension.

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Can you confirm you had some kind of advanced copy (one week early)
of the actual Star Trek Beyond Bluray with Atmos Audio Before anyone else.
...or was it some kind of online digital download?
Canada bro, they get their discs before we do.

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And with that nod for Star Trek Beyond, it's back on the buy list I got Warcraft in today and will watch over the weekend, good news indeed


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STB is very far from bass feast – not a soundtrack for this forum thread.
Basically did not suck as bad as anticipated
if take whole soundtrack as a whole.
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Canada bro, they get their discs before we do.
<--- ummm, Also in Canada, Bro'

..and I have to wait until Nov.1st too

I almost never get official Bluray releases before anyone in the U.S.

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Can someone point me to a tutorial to get speclab setup up to properly analyze a movie to produce the "peak/average" graph? I know there are how to's out there, and I believe some of the settings are buried in this thread, but I'm having a hard time getting all the settings set correctly.
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..and I have to wait until Nov.1st too

I almost never get official Bluray releases before anyone in the U.S.
Yea I looked at that after I posted. I know of quite a few guys that have some sort of outlet to get these discs early and they are mostly in Canada. I don't know what to tell you then... I'd love the same hookup, but haven't found any decent leads.
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Yea I looked at that after I posted. I know of quite a few guys that have some sort of outlet to get these discs early and they are mostly in Canada. I don't know what to tell you then... I'd love the same hookup, but haven't found any decent leads.
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Ralph Potts review agrees with the graph of STB:

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During this sequence, I noticed that the explosions, phaser fire and dynamics didn’t seem appropriately impactful. This continued during the crash extended descent/crash landing. I began to carefully examine smaller elements, finding that the low frequency effects applied to them, such as the sounds of the engines of the smaller enemy spacecraft, seemed reasonably weighty. I then looked at larger elements, such as the saucer explosion in chapter 5 (beginning around the 00:45:00 mark) where it overturns after Kirk and Chekov set off the thrusters, and the lack of depth/impact to the bass is quite noticeable
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STB is very far from bass feast – not a soundtrack for this forum thread.
Basically did not suck as bad as anticipated
if take whole soundtrack as a whole.
No need to explain at all and as Toe mentioned we share a similar taste

The cinematic experience comes first for me! These days I've gotten back to that driving principle much more so and the likes of Atmos / DTS:X and their respective up mixer's have really helped with snapping me back. If one had to choose I would go for a filtered track with a good sound design vs a poor mix with killer extension (poor dialog, clipping etc..) any day of the week .
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I agree, a great Atmos track sure helps ease the pain of lost frequencies

...as well as a pair of near field 1000watt MBM's
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Speaking of a brilliant sound design and great bass as well (although not tons of it) Free State of Jones was a mighty impressive mix! The wife and I jumped with well placed transient bass when called upon
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Watched 3 movies last couple days –

Independence Day – Resurgence
Weak / boring soundtrack – weaker movie – was hard to watch whole thing –
Disappointing for sure - Skip this one

Warcraft - Enjoyed this a lot – soundtrack was rockin-
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But got to say after finishing movie – I really had no issues with the audio.
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and felt weight at appropriate times.
Have to assume same soundtrack that MrGrey graphed –
But guess what I trying to say is that to me was decent HT experience
and will be watching it again.

I really like Warcraft as an audiomix...the movie as a whole was lacking in certain aspects...but the eye and ear candy was top notch. Bass had some nice hits and sound design was Atmos infused fun.


P.S. - was it just me or did any of you guys find Garona Halforcen hot in this flick. Paula Patton is my type of lovin' even with all that monster make up, lol.
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P.S. - was it just me or did any of you guys find Garona Halforcen hot in this flick. Paula Patton is my type of lovin' even with all that monster make up, lol.
Ha - indeed - those teeth thou - would be bit unnerving
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A 30h filter is fine, but 40hz really clips the bag clean off and you can tell when Watching STB. The movie is still a decent click and I enjoyed it. I just expected it to be more. I was hoping for oblivion level only to be left icing down the jewels. Lol
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How discouraging. I was ready to buy STB this Tuesday. Now I may hold off. Maybe I'll buy a couple margaritas at Taco Tuesday instead. After some good Mexican I have better LFE than STB.
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How discouraging. I was ready to buy STB this Tuesday. Now I may hold off. Maybe I'll buy a couple margaritas at Taco Tuesday instead. After some good Mexican I have better LFE than STB.
Hey Waboman Long time My wife just wants to see it therefore I buy! She loves a good bass movie as much as I and just love when its a good one and she looks over and says " Is this one on your 5 star bass list" I blush and say if it is "Yes" and if not "it should be" "good" she says! "now turn it down" Really she could care less on movies she loves and for the most part me as well.

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STB is very far from bass feast – not a soundtrack for this forum thread.
Basically did not suck as bad as anticipated
if take whole soundtrack as a whole.
Being that said, Lights Out wasn't as bad either. And watching it in Neural X made it a even more fun ride..
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How discouraging. I was ready to buy STB this Tuesday. Now I may hold off. Maybe I'll buy a couple margaritas at Taco Tuesday instead. After some good Mexican I have better LFE than STB.
Ha! Tell me about it. We're in the Dominican Republic this week and all the extracurricular food and drink has created some interesting ULF in our room at times between the three boys.
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Hey Waboman Long time My wife just wants to see it therefore I buy! She loves a good bass movie as much as I and just love when its a good one and she looks over and says " Is this one on your 5 star bass list" I blush and say if it is "Yes" and if not "it should be" "good" she says! "now turn it down" Really she could care less on movies she loves and for the most part me as well.

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Now that there is a good woman. She's a keeper. I saw STB in the movie theater and it's my fav of the 3 reboots. However, I don't recall what the audio was like. I know, rookie move. I still may buy it on Tues.

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Ha! Tell me about it. We're in the Dominican Republic this week and all the extracurricular food and drink has created some interesting ULF in our room at times between the three boys.
Lol. Throw in a full day of sucking down Presidentes and you may hit 5Hz tonight. Have fun on your vaca. Ours is coming up in a couple of weeks.
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