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Good god I've been driving myself crazy. I just watched Star Trek Beyond and notice there was no ULF; the same goes for Hobbit. I thought I had some sort of intermittent issue because if I play another movie, let's say X-Men: Apocalypse, the ULF is crazy. Now I see the ULF is filtered out The mid bass is killer though.
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Any word on whether Thor: Ragnarok will be getting a different mix? The mix on the current disc release is anemic at best.

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Any word on whether Thor: Ragnarok will be getting a different mix? The mix on the current disc release is anemic at best.
Why would they remix it? It's perfect......

For a soundbar

Actually it's not even good for that tbh. It was a horribly done mix with total lack of dynamics and super odd cloudiness of the overall bass.

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Good god I've been driving myself crazy. I just watched Star Trek Beyond and notice there was no ULF; the same goes for Hobbit. I thought I had some sort of intermittent issue because if I play another movie, let's say X-Men: Apocalypse, the ULF is crazy. Now I see the ULF is filtered out The mid bass is killer though.
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LOL! you guys must be new here, (and posting in an OLD dead thread!)
time to get "current" Here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...cy-charts.html

and even more important than complaining about weak audio, Do Something about it!
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New! LOL, back at you. Been using a minidsp for quite some time LOL. Along with 2 ported HS24s, 4 ported 18s, and 4 ported 15s LOL Furthermore, who's complaining I'm just happy that I don't have an equipment problem Anyway, thanks for posting your reply in this "OLD dead thread!" LOL

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Watching Thor last night had me wondering when the last time I watched that movie was... "was it really before I installed my big subs 3 or 4 years ago?" Either way, that is one vicious soundtrack. It's rare that I think a movie is TOO dynamic but that one had me going up and down with the volume trying to find a happy medium. ::dialogue-only scene:: "Oh, that's not that loud, let me crack it up a few dBs" ::cue earth shattering volume levels:: "MOTHER OF GOD!!" ::turns volume back down::
Ha, this so reminds me of my Cerwin Vega days and listening to the 1812 Overture. Drawn in to the melodic opening, I cranked it up to hear the wondrous detail. All was going well until the canon's started firing and the landlord came running up to see what had exploded. I'm honestly amazed that one of the windows didn't crack! The Oracle Delphi and Alphason held its track true though, despite the large grooves in the record and the shaking structure. I would be very nervous to play that on my subs today .... Hmmm, maybe time to find a good digital copy.
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Can someone please tell me the Freq in Gravity scene at the beginning where they are about to be hit? I think its after 10 minutes of start of the movie? My room shakes like crazy in that scene. I think its most likely around 20Hz +8dB????
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I recently made a change in my system and wanted to ask if I screwed something up. The bass is just insane specially low frequencies. Scares the s*** out of me. No better place to ask than this thread I think.
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I'm also going to post the before and after eq of subs to show the change I made and the result is just insane. Subs are placed 75" behind MLP on each side of room. At that distance, I can feel the tactile a lot more.
Here is my Subs Before making any adjustments. Notice how 20Hz is 10dB lower than 30Hz.


I added a PEQ of 10dB with 5.7Q to boost the low end and some to flatten the midbass. Then ran dirac and finally define the custom curve. When all set and done, here is the FR of C+S after.

This is 13.5dB hot. But if you look at the response, it drops like crazy after 19Hz but when I am watching movies, my seats shakes precisely how I'd like it to but I just don't understand why???? Its not like I"m getting single digits here. Watching WOTW was just a treat. I can't say that I had smile on my face cause I was super scared . Have I done anything wrong or pushed my system too strong??? I don't hear the subs clipping. The scene at the beginning of Gravity where they are about to get hit was also very intense. Tons of low bass in that scene.
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Hi @harrisu


First up - very nice system you've put together there!!




Can you please show your 20hz to 20khz FR (with 1/6 oct. smoothing applied) for both your current EQ'd setup and also your previous (without the 10dB PEQ added) setup? Just to get an overall view of where the bass is relative to the rest of the FR.


If it sounds better to you (and the subs are not being overdriven) , that's really all that matters in the end


Personally, (just from looking at the Bass response alone) I think I'd likely prefer your pre-EQ response **as long as the bass was still 6-12dB+ hotter than the mains**
I would maybe just bring the 30-50hz range down a few dB and then just flatten out the bumps at ~71hz and 91hz,but again nothing too drastic




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First up - very nice system you've put together there!!




Can you please show your 20hz to 20khz FR (with 1/6 oct. smoothing applied) for both your current EQ'd setup and also your previous (without the 10dB PEQ added) setup? Just to get an overall view of where the bass is relative to the rest of the FR.


If it sounds better to you (and the subs are not being overdriven) , that's really all that matters in the end


Personally, (just from looking at the Bass response alone) I think I'd likely prefer your pre-EQ response **as long as the bass was still 6-12dB+ hotter than the mains**
I would maybe just bring the 30-50hz range down a few dB and then just flatten out the bumps at ~71hz and 91hz,but again nothing too drastic




...but again, if it sounds good to you stick with it!
Sure. Here it is. I also captured 12-450 range so you can see how the sub responses look like.


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Sure. Here it is. I also captured 12-450 range so you can see how the sub responses look like.


The response should drop as it does with your current marty's, as that's where the port tune should roll off, so nothing there. That's a shade aggressive on the 20hz material using a 10dB (shelf?) filter. Doing this that close to the tuning of the sub can be very dangerous, especially if you don't have a HPF in place. I'd try cutting that boost in half to start with and see how it all sounds.

On a related note, people often misunderstand what they are hearing when it comes to ULF. 20hz is very low comparatively speaking to even 35hz where most major effects in movies are centered. Almost a full octave to be specific! Take Bass I love you, the song for example. People see a spec for that and see the 7hz tone and are typically like, "Oh yea, that effect is crazy in the song" but then when you play it and ask them to point it out, they will actually point out the 17hz tone and completely not realize when the 7hz tone even happens.
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The response should drop as it does with your current marty's, as that's where the port tune should roll off, so nothing there. That's a shade aggressive on the 20hz material using a 10dB (shelf?) filter. Doing this that close to the tuning of the sub can be very dangerous, especially if you don't have a HPF in place. I'd try cutting that boost in half to start with and see how it all sounds.

On a related note, people often misunderstand what they are hearing when it comes to ULF. 20hz is very low comparatively speaking to even 35hz where most major effects in movies are centered. Almost a full octave to be specific! Take Bass I love you, the song for example. People see a spec for that and see the 7hz tone and are typically like, "Oh yea, that effect is crazy in the song" but then when you play it and ask them to point it out, they will actually point out the 17hz tone and completely not realize when the 7hz tone even happens.
Port for Mini Marty is tuned to 15Hz not 23. I also have a HPF set in minidsp at 15Hz using BW24. Plus, I use Dirac which required me to reduce the level to -10 even before I calibrated. So I really never got even close to driving the sub out of its limit. Plus, when I saw the driver moving in low frequency scenes, it wasn't moving back and forth like crazy. It was moving may be like 1 inch back and forth.
Anyway, I took teh filter out cause I di'nt think it was really being used much. I recaliberated with Dirac and here is the new curve.

Red without any boost is like 2dB lower at 20Hz as compared to the one that had a 10dB boost. Dirac never really let it shine. It would have if I had applied it after calibrating but since it was applied before calibrating, it took it away

Your post is very interesting. I thought that one cant' even hear below 20Hz. So how can one say if they are hearing 20Hz vs 7Hz. I think the simplest way to know for someone who does have that low frequency is to just run that frequency and hear it to educate yourself. But since I can't in my system, what's the difference b/w 20hz and 7Hz. Also, is there even any content in movies where single digit exists? At what point in "Bass I Love you" they have 20Hz and 7? I love that song. Funny thing is that my wife likes it very much as well. Not particularly the bass part but just the melody itself.
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Port for Mini Marty is tuned to 15Hz not 23. I also have a HPF set in minidsp at 15Hz using 24 BW24. Plus, I use Dirac which required me to reduce the level to -10 even before I calibrated. So I really never got even close to driving the sub out of its limit. Plus, when I saw the driver moving in low frequency scenes, it wasn't moving back and forth like crazy. It was moving may be like 1 inch back and forth.
Anyway, I took teh filter out cause I di'nt think it was really being used much. I recaliberated with Dirac and here is the new curve.
Dont see the graph. if it's imgur linked then Ill have to look at it when i get home.

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Dont see the graph. if it's imgur linked then Ill have to look at it when i get home.
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Your post is very interesting. I thought that one cant' even hear below 20Hz. So how can one say if they are hearing 20Hz vs 7Hz. I think the simplest way to know for someone who does have that low frequency is to just run that frequency and hear it to educate yourself. But since I can't in my system, what's the difference b/w 20hz and 7Hz. Also, is there even any content in movies where single digit exists? At what point in "Bass I Love you" they have 20Hz and 7? I love that song. Funny thing is that my wife likes it very much as well. Not particularly the bass part but just the melody itself.
Experience as opposed to "hear" I suppose would have been a better descriptor. The sensation and feel is what you get mostly below 20hz and definitely below 15hz, where tactile response trumps aural response almost exclusively. Below 15hz if you are on a concrete subfloor is about as far as one would want to chase IMO. On suspended floor, it can be a different story.

As far as content goes, there absolutely is content into the single digits in movies, and in many cases intentionally there. Hulk, WotW, Lone Survivor, Black Hawk Down, HTTYD are just a few. As i've posted before at least personally I feel:

Down to 20hz is essential

15-20hz is absolutely important and get it if you can
10-15hz starts to become questionable but I'd like to have it if possible
5-10hz you won't get much at all unless on a suspended floor or using transducers. It takes a TON of displacement and a very well done room to accomplish this.
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Sure. Here it is. I also captured 12-450 range so you can see how the sub responses look like.


Cheers for that
The Red traces above look pretty good, perhaps a little aggressive so close to port tune (as Beast mentioned),but if your not running into problems it should be ok. Those UXL18's are a hella good driver!






Do you have a 20hz-20khz graph from when this measurement was taken :








Are your Mini Marty builds custom or the same as listed in the Marty thread? I think the standard Mini's port tune is in the 18-20hz range
The blue line is the Mini Marty

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Your post is very interesting. I thought that one cant' even hear below 20Hz. So how can one say if they are hearing 20Hz vs 7Hz. I think the simplest way to know for someone who does have that low frequency is to just run that frequency and hear it to educate yourself. But since I can't in my system, what's the difference b/w 20hz and 7Hz. Also, is there even any content in movies where single digit exists? At what point in "Bass I Love you" they have 20Hz and 7? I love that song. Funny thing is that my wife likes it very much as well. Not particularly the bass part but just the melody itself.
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Experience as opposed to "hear" I suppose would have been a better descriptor. The sensation and feel is what you get mostly below 20hz and definitely below 15hz, where tactile response trumps aural response almost exclusively. Below 15hz if you are on a concrete subfloor is about as far as one would want to chase IMO. On suspended floor, it can be a different story.

As far as content goes, there absolutely is content into the single digits in movies, and in many cases intentionally there. Hulk, WotW, Lone Survivor, Black Hawk Down, HTTYD are just a few. As i've posted before at least personally I feel:

Down to 20hz is essential

15-20hz is absolutely important and get it if you can
10-15hz starts to become questionable but I'd like to have it if possible
5-10hz you won't get much at all unless on a suspended floor or using transducers. It takes a TON of displacement and a very well done room to accomplish this.
@harrisu , here's some food for thought regarding whether you're rolling off at port tune, or if a room mode is at play here.

For the longest time, I thought I was just experiencing a rather steep drop-off just below port tune (blue line, port tune at 17Hz); come to find out (using this tool), there's actually a room mode at the exact same frequency, and a little better placement got me flat down to about 15Hz (except at that room mode, of course, which I'll need to add a second sub to smooth it out there).

As an added bonus, I'm now only down -15dB at 10Hz (rather than -25dB with the SW in the corner); with a single 15" SW, in a room that's ~6,672 cu. ft. on concrete
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