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Kinda hoped mine would be here before the 3 day weekend, but the good new is it will be here Monday. And I will actually be home to sign for it!


That was my issue, not home to sign when my 15v arrived. Routed to a FedEx office location and had to wait an extra day. Funny thing is when I went to pick it up the guy behind the counter asked my name then looked right at me and said "so you are the one ordering the subwoofer huh?" I was surprised he recognized the name on the box.
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Anyone still waiting on tracking, Monday will be the day. We actually have all of the V1801 subs built and boxed but we couldn't fit them all on the last fedex truck and they can't get us another today.

We just got a new toy for the office system too, no time to even open it. MAYBE over the weekend...

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Is this to test PSA'S new Atmos speakers?
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I received my S3601 today. The local delivery company would only put it in my garage, so I had to get it into the house and then run off to work. After a workday that seemed to last forever, I was finally able to set up the subwoofer and play some demo material. My current subwoofer was a SVS 20-39PCi, which has served me well over the years. My first impression of the S3601 is that it's a large subwoofer. I measured the space out for it and it still was surprising to see how large it is in person.

I ran a few known bass clips (Finding Nemo, LOTR, Edge of Tomorrow) and was very impressed. While my SVS 20-39PCi would struggle with some of the material, the S3601 didn't even seem to be putting any effort into it. It sounds fantastic with movies and especially music.

A few questions.
1. When I turn the sub to Auto, it turns off whenever there is a lull in bass. It then clicks and turns on whenever there is bass. It's extremely annoying to change channels and then hear the click of the sub turning on a few seconds later. I then ran a loop of Atmos demo material. Between every video switch, the sub turns off and then on again. Is anyone else having this issue with the Auto setting?
2. I know some people dial up the subwoofer volume. I think I've seen the +6dB number a lot. Is there a reason that particular number is used?
3. Do I need to adjust the room size if I am running Audyssey XT32?
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The new Tiffany lamp look incredible on the cordavan cherry S1500, however it did walk from the middle to the back in about 30 minutes of X-Men Apocalypse at ~ reference. So, tomorrow I shall see what I can find at Walmart that is rubbery to go between the lamp and subwoofer. The lamp looks so good and shows off the sub finish so well that I ordered a similar but different Tiffany lamp for the sub at the other end of the couch, should be here Sunday!
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I'd like to hear about the auto question as well asi am new to subs How reactive is it? If the material calls for bass, does it take a second to click on and you miss a portion?
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Woohoo, shipping info received!!!

Looks like I'm taking Tuesday off work!
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I received my S3601 today.

A few questions.
1. When I turn the sub to Auto, it turns off whenever there is a lull in bass. It then clicks and turns on whenever there is bass. It's extremely annoying to change channels and then hear the click of the sub turning on a few seconds later. I then ran a loop of Atmos demo material. Between every video switch, the sub turns off and then on again. Is anyone else having this issue with the Auto setting?

Mine did the same thing, Turned up and gain knob (a faction) on the back of the speaker and all joy since

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Mine did the same thing, Turned up and gain knob (a faction) on the back of the speaker and all joy since
I set the gain position in order for the Audyssey calibration to remain around 75dB. So I'm reluctant to raise it because of the calibration.
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DANG!!!!! These new XX01 subs look fantastic. Tang I looked at your pictures and I felt my heart skip a beat. I can't wait to get my new V3601's, I think I'll have to run them with the covers off… it seems a down right shame to cover up those drivers.


Hop when are you going to PSA to pick up your subs?


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Mine did the same thing, Turned up and gain knob (a faction) on the back of the speaker and all joy since
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I set the gain position in order for the Audyssey calibration to remain around 75dB. So I'm reluctant to raise it because of the calibration.
I've been having the opposite problem. Mine turns on when signal is received just fine, but after turning off the TV/AVR, the subs will try to turn off after several minutes but turn immediately back on. I first noticed this when getting up the morning after I got them and hearing the amp cut off and back on a few times. All I can do is turn the subs off after use. I plan to chat with Tom to try to find solutions.
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I'd like to hear about the auto question as well asi am new to subs How reactive is it? If the material calls for bass, does it take a second to click on and you miss a portion?
The auto-on on the ICE modules works a little different from most subs. The duration of the "awake" cycle is dependent on the signal strength that activates it. It can be anywhere from about one minute to 14 minutes.

If the amp is going into "sleep" mode too often the solution is too increase the signal strength it sees. Turn up the bass level setting in the receiver and lower the gain setting on the sub amp as needed to maintain the correct calibration levels. You can also add a Y splitter and connect both inputs on the sub amp---this will give you a 6dB signal gain.

There is a 1-2 second delay between the sub sensing the signal and reproducing the bass.

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I set the gain position in order for the Audyssey calibration to remain around 75dB. So I'm reluctant to raise it because of the calibration.
What did Audyssey set your LFE to (Speakers/Manual/Levels)? It should be between -6dB and -11.5dB (-12dB means gain is too high, Audyssey mic is clipping). If not, adjust gain knob and re-run Audyssey.

After Audyssey completes, raise the LFE level manually +3dB (or higher to taste) but try not to exceed -3dB and definitely not 0.

If Auto on/off on the sub still does not work properly there is probably an issue with your Speakerpower amp.
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The auto-on on the ICE modules works a little different from most subs. The duration of the "awake" cycle is dependent on the signal strength that activates it. It can be anywhere from about one minute to 14 minutes.

If the amp is going into "sleep" mode too often the solution is too increase the signal strength it sees. Turn up the bass level setting in the receiver and lower the gain setting on the sub amp as needed to maintain the correct calibration levels. You can also add a Y splitter and connect both inputs on the sub amp---this will give you a 6dB signal gain.
Do you know what the power draw is for leaving the subwoofer ON all the time? I would think it's minimal if it's not actually producing bass, but I don't know.

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What did Audyssey set your LFE to (Speakers/Manual/Levels)? It should be between -6dB and -11.5dB (-12dB means gain is too high, Audyssey mic is clipping). If not, adjust gain knob and re-run Audyssey.

After Audyssey completes, raise the LFE level manually +3dB (or higher to taste) but try not to exceed -3dB and definitely not 0.

If Auto on/off on the sub still does not work properly there is probably an issue with your Speakerpower amp.
My gain knob is currently set at 9 o'clock to reach 75dB for the Audyssey calibration. Audyssey then set my sub to -3.5dB. I went into the subwoofer level adjust and set it to +6.0dB. I'm going to install two more ceiling channels on Tuesday, so I'll run everything again.
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I've been having the opposite problem. Mine turns on when signal is received just fine, but after turning off the TV/AVR, the subs will try to turn off after several minutes but turn immediately back on. I first noticed this when getting up the morning after I got them and hearing the amp cut off and back on a few times. All I can do is turn the subs off after use. I plan to chat with Tom to try to find solutions.
If the auto-on cycles it is getting interference and sensing that as a "signal". The "noise" usually gets in thru the sub cable but in rare cases it can be stray RF into the open RCA jack on the sub too. This is the only downside to the ICE modules to date(being overly sensitive to stray "noise" within the auto-on circuit). We've been *begging* Brian to change this since day one but it's not as easy as some might think.

1)be sure the sub cable is well shielded.
2)Route the sub cable away from any AC cords.
3)If you have a Y split, try that(using both inputs on the amp will minimize any chance of stray RF

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Do you know what the power draw is for leaving the subwoofer ON all the time? I would think it's minimal if it's not actually producing bass, but I don't know.
I'll measure it again today to be sure---IIRC something like 14 watts at idle.

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What did Audyssey set your LFE to (Speakers/Manual/Levels)? It should be between -6dB and -11.5dB (-12dB means gain is too high, Audyssey mic is clipping). If not, adjust gain knob and re-run Audyssey.

After Audyssey completes, raise the LFE level manually +3dB (or higher to taste) but try not to exceed -3dB and definitely not 0.

If Auto on/off on the sub still does not work properly there is probably an issue with your Speakerpower amp.
I have had no issues using 0db sub trim. 0 means there is no attenuation to the signal. More then likely he will need the AVR sub trim in the 0 range to keep the sub from going to sleep after a minute or so. That is what I had to do with my ICE amps or they switch off all the time. With the Bash stuff I could calibrate -9 and manually bump the trim to -3 and auto on was fine...The other option is to use both inputs on the sub amp as Tom mentioned. I doubt there is a problem with the Amp.

Edit* just seen Torkerblue last post. +6 and the sub still shuts off. That seems rather odd. Definitely should not need that much gain to keep the amp on. I would try using both inputs on the amp.
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I have had no issues using 0db sub trim. 0 means there is no attenuation to the signal.
In the Audyssey thread, for D+M units the trim level recommendation was updated.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47140321

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The most commonly asked question on the Audyssey thread these days involves subwoofer settings….

….To summarize the best practice recommendation for adding sub boosts: it is to try to keep AVR sub trim levels no higher than approximately -5 to -3, after adding however much sub boost may be preferred.
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I have not had any issues, it doesn't start up as quiet as my SVS SUB did but it starts up every time and has not shut off during movies or music. Gain is at 11 and AVR -3 using one cable to the LFE.

I will say my V3601 seems to have broke in if there is such a thing, at first I was impressed. Now after about 20 hours of playing it HOLY CRAP it hits hard and loud. I can't imagine what you guys with 2 or 4 of these along with Toms supporting speakers experience. For the first time I had to turn my AVR down from my normal listening level. My previous sub I ran +8 on the AVR from Audyssey set up setting and my gain was nearly all the way up, this V3601 isn't even working hard.
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3)If you have a Y split, try that(using both inputs on the amp will minimize any chance of stray RF
If you have RFI interference, the best protection is to use a directional subwoofer cable (with the arrows for signal direction). I do not believe that that conductivity matters in one direction vs another (like many boutique cable manufacturers claim). However, these cables utilize two signal conductors (for + & -) separate from the shield (standard coax uses shield for -). On these cables ground is lifted on the output side of the cable (input to the subwoofer). This allows any RFI noise picked up by the shield (which can act like an antenna) to drain to ground at the input side of the cable (LFE out).

With standard coax, the Y-splitter is ok. With directional cables, the Y-splitter can present as a new source (antenna) for RFI to enter the subwoofer amp. I know this because I have a ton of RFI. I live 10 miles from transmitters atop Sierra Peak in the Cleveland National Forest.

The longer the run the greater the chance for RFI, EMI, and ground loop noise. For this reason, I wish PSA had not omitted the balanced XLR inputs that Speakerpower includes on their amps. I like to use balanced interconnects for any run over 15ft.

Directional subwoofer cables can be purchased without breaking the bank. SVS Soundpath Cables are probably the best option (as long as 15m). You can also find good deals on discontinued cables from Acoustic Research, AudioQuest, and Monster Cable on Amazon and ebay.

https://www.svsound.com/products/sou...rconnect-cable


Wireless is another option, but I prefer wired whenever possible.
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Tom did you ship any of your subs down to KC for the Home Theater crawl that's going on today for demos.
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Tom did you ship any of your subs down to KC for the Home Theater crawl that's going on today for demos.
No one ever contacted me about that, no. To be honest, not sure if I would have anyway. We're currently out of all vented subs(one V3601 here, thats it), we're low/soon to be out of the S1500, 15S, S3000i, and t18ht. And we're low/out of both 210s. Right now the main focus is on solidifying our inventory logistics more than more exposure..

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I posted this in the Audyssey thread since it was originally a crossover question, but I think I may get good answers here. Audyssey is setting my center channel to 110Hz and fronts to 90Hz. My issue I'm having is that since I moved the 3601 closer to my seating, I'm having localization issues.

My setup is the lower level of a split level ranch, so it's a large room. My SVS 20-39PCi was originally in position SW1. When I changed it for the PSA3601, it was suggested I move it to SW2. The problem I'm running into now is that movies are fine, but the sub is too easy to localize when I'm playing music. So I'm not crazy about the result. Right now, the woofers are facing north and south.

I'm debating moving the subwoofer back to SW1, but I'm not sure the best orientation for the woofers. If I place it north and south, one of the woofers is going into an empty area to the north. If I place the woofers east and west, one of the woofers will be less than a foot away from the wall. This is my first sub with dual woofers, so I'm not sure on the best placement.
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I'd try it in the other location.
When I had one of my subs close to my seat I could sense it was there, no matter what my cross-overs were.

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Hop when are you going to PSA to pick up your subs?
Whew!!!! Bear I just got back, I went up there today. Left early this morning and just got home at 8:00 PM.

It was great seeing the PSA headquarters again and as an added bonus I had the pleasure of finally meeting our friend Jeffery (Ahblaza) in person. He was there picking up his three V1801's…… Jeffrey it was awesome to meet you today, I had a great time talking with you about this crazy hobby. My only regret was that we both had to get back on the road because I would have enjoyed hanging out longer.

Between Jeff and I we drove off with some seriously heavy duty fire power… a total of three V1801's and two V3601's. And Tom wasn't joking, those new 18" subs have been selling like crazy. I think Jeff and I took the last vented 18" cabinets out of there today.

As always, Tom and Jim (and Ripper the pup) were great hosts. They were gracious and took time from their busy schedules to allow Jeff and I to wander around the warehouse and see the inner workings of where our subs are made and to hang out and chit chat for awhile.

I'm too tired to get these new beasts dialed in but I plan on getting to it tomorrow. Maybe I'll post a pic or two. Until then…
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anyone have a t18 they wanna sell? i ordered the one from the outlet center and not sure when or if they will have them back in stock. so im sending the 2 s3000is back to get the t18. and i have s3000 already so plan was to stack those 2 left corner and the mighty t18 on the other. that should sound good no? until i can get my hands on another t18 anyway.
I think that arrangement will work just fine. I'd love to see some pics!

Did you ask Tom V. about building you another T18? I think he could relatively quickly (a couple weeks).

My understanding is that a T18.1 will be a while as it requires a larger, redesigned cabinet.

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@marcdorfman … your V3600 is now at PSA, dropped it off today.
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Did you ask Tom V. about building you another T18? I think he could relatively quickly (a couple weeks).

My understanding is that a T18.1 will be a while as it requires a larger, redesigned cabinet.
didnt think about asking him but i doubt he has time with all these other subs selling. ill just wait for the t18.1 i guess no worries

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