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I just read Nalthiens big room challenge V1500 vs S3000I again, very informative.
That thread is a classic!
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I just read Nalthiens big room challenge V1500 vs S3000I again, very informative.
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Its funny that I just reread Nalthien's thread this week and decided to add an s3000 to my basement G21s to smooth response out. Have always had ported in my living room but have always been curious how the dual opposed sealed would work (1800 cu ft but opening to kitchen) I Started playing with the s3000 today in my main living room where my SS MFW resides. The MFW replaced an XV15se.

The MFW and s3000 are both excellent and handle everything with ease but the s3000 really surprised me with its upper bass explosion and has more of the upper punch I've been looking for. They sound really similar for most material but the MFW has more tactile rumble down low as it should. The MFW is incredibly balanced and articulate, it does not sound like a ported sub even when pushed. The s3000 brings a new violence to my living room tho that I am really liking! Even tho on paper a V1801 would be ideal for my room, the S3601 is now looking really good.
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He lives in Alabama!
Ohhh ok , I thought he lived closer....thats a bit of a hike! Question about his towers , Klipsch Rp280's??? I may have asked previously , but I dont recall....
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Ohhh ok , I thought he lived closer....thats a bit of a hike! Question about his towers , Klipsch Rp280's??? I may have asked previously , but I dont recall....
That does look like RP280s.....I also own a pair. Fantastic speakers!

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That does look like RP280s.....I also own a pair. Fantastic speakers!
Yup , I have a pair also...Although these past few days I think ive been hearing something funny....Kind of sounds like some fuzziness from the center , it doesnt sound as crisp as it had been .... But of course last night I was a bit buzzed , partied at the beach all weekend , so my ears were a bit off....Ill have to take a sober listen.....
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Ohhh ok , I thought he lived closer....thats a bit of a hike! Question about his towers , Klipsch Rp280's??? I may have asked previously , but I dont recall....
Yep, good eye. He had Aperions prior to the RPs. Just got the RPs 2 weeks ago.
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Yep, good eye. He had Aperions prior to the RPs. Just got the RPs 2 weeks ago.
Nice....well they dont look too bad next to them....Looks like the 36''s are about even in height...I think the specs say the 3601's would be about an inch higher...
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Yup , I have a pair also...Although these past few days I think ive been hearing something funny....Kind of sounds like some fuzziness from the center , it doesnt sound as crisp as it had been .... But of course last night I was a bit buzzed , partied at the beach all weekend , so my ears were a bit off....Ill have to take a sober listen.....
Not sure how your center is positioned but if its on cabinet or inside enclosure that could affect things. I always had that problem with center speakers til i got dedicated center speaker stand and then sounded much better, very similar to my mains. Or it could be from your drinking LMAO.
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I see a trend forming. @bulls also has the RP280s and V1801s in a 2.2 setup at the moment.
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Not sure how your center is positioned but if its on cabinet or inside enclosure that could affect things. I always had that problem with center speakers til i got dedicated center speaker stand and then sounded much better, very similar to my mains. Or it could be from your drinking LMAO.
Crazy weekend lol....But yeah , its always been in the same spot and always sounded good , I gotta look into it more (sober) ...... I thought I noticed something last week , but I was tired and fell asleep and forgot about it until last night...

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I see a trend forming. @bulls also has the RP280s and V1801s in a 2.2 setup at the moment.
They have been good to me...Ive went thru what seems like tons of subs now (actually weight wise probably a ton hahha) .... Only thing in the system that I havent felt the need to change....They would probably sound even better with a good AVR....
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Anyone looking for a new, unique movie to really push your subs and also provide a spectacular visual experience I'd recommend A Cure for Wellness.
Great bass throughout the whole movie.
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I see a lot of folks routinely upgrade their PSA subwoofers to the latest, and largest offerings, and I'm led to wonder if I'm missing out on anything. What I understand about audio theory, and my own first hand experience suggests that I'm perfectly fine with what I have; 2 XS15SE in a room which is 2800^3 in volume.

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I see a lot of folks routinely upgrade their PSA subwoofers to the latest, and largest offerings, and I'm led to wonder if I'm missing out on anything. What I understand about audio theory, and my own first hand experience suggests that I'm perfectly fine with what I have; 2 XS15SE in a room which is 2800^3 in volume.



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I have my own personal experience with Klipsch (I have a pair of KSF-10.5s, the first speakers I fell in love with 25 years ago but couldn't afford so I bought a mint pair last year). While they are sensitive (their ratings are a bit overblown) they should be advertised as 6Ω nominal ad many dip down to 4Ω in all of the impedence sweeps I've seen.

A high-current capable amplifier will improve the sound! You don't need a lot of power but current. The H/K PA-2100 is rated at 65W but sounds better with my Klipsch than the many AVRs I have tested as well as several well known amps (Emotiva mini-x a-100 and Outlaw 7075). The H/K Signature 2.1 and Citation 5.1/7.1 sound even better!

Right now bulls is running a slimline Marantz 1607. I am going to sneak a PA-2100 over there to open his eyes. We'll just have to figure out a way to hide it from his wife.

The above are great reasons to go with PSA speakers. The sensitivity & impedence ratings are accurate. They should sound good with any AVR. External amplification is likely of no benefit.
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Anyone looking for a new, unique movie to really push your subs and also provide a spectacular visual experience I'd recommend A Cure for Wellness.
Great bass throughout the whole movie.
That movie did not do anything for me...yea it had a bunch of low rumble, but a pretty boring sound track imo.
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I'll certainly need more substantive arguments than I usually read. As you can see, my system measures very balanced, and it sounds amazing.

I have other hobbies and activities calling for my wallet too.



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I see a lot of folks routinely upgrade their PSA subwoofers to the latest, and largest offerings, and I'm led to wonder if I'm missing out on anything. What I understand about audio theory, and my own first hand experience suggests that I'm perfectly fine with what I have; 2 XS15SE in a room which is 2800^3 in volume.

Am I missing out on avoiding the upgrade itch?
Depends on how loud you listen? People tend to think that a more powerful sub is going to do something magically different then a lesser sub at all volumes and that is not the case. For instance take 3000i vs a S1500. Both will sound pretty similar calibrated the same up to the point where the S1500 runs out of steam, that is where the 3000i will shine. So if you want to realize the benefit of the more powerful sub at lower levels then you need to run the subs hotter...too hot and the system is out of balance.

All that being said, you do not have nearly enough sub for that space if you want clean reference playback caability. Dual 3000i will get you close, dual S3601 will get you there for a sealed system.
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All that being said, you do not have nearly enough sub for that space if you want clean reference playback caability. Dual 3000i will get you close, dual S3601 will get you there for a sealed system.
How do you figure this out? I routinely play at reference volume -0dB and it sounds great.



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I see a lot of folks routinely upgrade their PSA subwoofers to the latest, and largest offerings, and I'm led to wonder if I'm missing out on anything. What I understand about audio theory, and my own first hand experience suggests that I'm perfectly fine with what I have; 2 XS15SE in a room which is 2800^3 in volume.

Am I missing out on avoiding the upgrade itch?
You want to run compression sweeps to see where they run out of steam. You just increase 3dB at a time and the limit will be obvious. Also look at distortion below the limit.

I was in your position. 3020ft³ and dual S1500s. Very satisfying, but adding the S3000i was icing on the cake!

I happen to have that system up for sale so you could add a S3000i or two S1500s at a great price. 2 S1500s have ~2dB more headroom than a S3000i. Quad 15s would be awesome. Whatever makes sense for your space. I am willing to negotiate.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2853090
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Your AVR level being -0 does not mean your subs are handling peaks of 115-120 with no compression. Below 30hz I am positive dual XS15se are not hitting 115db+ uncompressed in a 2800 room. Above 40hz, yes they will all day. When I said reference capable I was referring to the THX standard which is 115db, 20-80hz, with less then 10% thd.
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I see a lot of folks routinely upgrade their PSA subwoofers to the latest, and largest offerings, and I'm led to wonder if I'm missing out on anything. What I understand about audio theory, and my own first hand experience suggests that I'm perfectly fine with what I have; 2 XS15SE in a room which is 2800^3 in volume.

Am I missing out on avoiding the upgrade itch?
Well, only you can really determine that! If you're content with what you have and have no desire to upgrade, enjoy it until it breaks or fails and replace as necessary. For many members here, it's a hobby, so swapping out gear and upgrading regularly is just what they do. For some, we're enthusiasts who upgrade when things catch our eye and live vicariously through others and maybe upgrade every other iteration. And others just buy what they wanted until their enjoyment factor is peaked and a smile is achieved.

Much like @imureh already said, if you're here asking questions, be on the lookout. I know that when I frequent these forums, my wallet loses weight. It's just the strangest thing, I tell ya!

In all seriousness, do you feel your system is lacking in any way?

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You want to run compression sweeps to see where they run out of steam. You just increase 3dB at a time and the limit will be obvious. Also look at distortion below the limit.

I was in your position. 3020ft³ and dual S1500s. Very satisfying, but adding the S3000i was icing on the cake!

I happen to have that system up for sale so you could add a S3000i or two S1500s at a great price. 2 S1500s have ~2dB more headroom than a S3000i. Quad 15s would be awesome. Whatever makes sense for your space. I am willing to negotiate.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2853090
If, and only if I was to upgrade my set up it would be to add two more sealed 15s as this would, if nothing else, provide better smoothing across all seats.



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You want to run compression sweeps to see where they run out of steam. You just increase 3dB at a time and the limit will be obvious. Also look at distortion below the limit.

I was in your position. 3020ft³ and dual S1500s. Very satisfying, but adding the S3000i was icing on the cake!

I happen to have that system up for sale so you could add a S3000i or two S1500s at a great price. 2 S1500s have ~2dB more headroom than a S3000i. Quad 15s would be awesome. Whatever makes sense for your space. I am willing to negotiate.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2853090
Those are a reasonable deal, I'll have to think about it. I'll run compression sweeps and post what I come up with.

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Well, only you can really determine that! If you're content with what you have and have no desire to upgrade, enjoy it until it breaks or fails and replace as necessary. For many members here, it's a hobby, so swapping out gear and upgrading regularly is just what they do. For some, we're enthusiasts who upgrade when things catch our eye and live vicariously through others and maybe upgrade every other iteration. And others just buy what they wanted until their enjoyment factor is peaked and a smile is achieved.

Much like @imureh already said, if you're here asking questions, be on the lookout. I know that when I frequent these forums, my wallet loses weight. It's just the strangest thing, I tell ya!

In all seriousness, do you feel your system is lacking in any way?

Travis
Certainly not lacking from being incredibly entertaining, but others have made a decent point in achieving reference level down to 20HZ or below. I'm passionate about this hobby, but I don't want to buy new gear just for the sake of buying new gear. I've seen folks on this forum go from double or triple what I already have, to doubling that, in half the room. It's just bonkers really, in my opinion, and that's what I want to avoid.



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@ClawAndTalon you should consider Marc's offer on those nice sealed subs! Definitely will give you more smoother bass response in the room.

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Yup , I have a pair also...Although these past few days I think ive been hearing something funny....Kind of sounds like some fuzziness from the center , it doesnt sound as crisp as it had been .... But of course last night I was a bit buzzed , partied at the beach all weekend , so my ears were a bit off....Ill have to take a sober listen.....
I also have 280F's with a 450c. Great for movies!!!

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