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Here's another one.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...pressions.html

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Pull this off and I'm trading in my pair of S3000i - as long as the new speakers will play well with my 210T and 210c. No punch in the face needed.
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Just curious, but what would you guys guess the pricing to be on something like this?



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Well, similar performance as v3601, so I was guessing somewhere around the same price ($2150). Maybe +/- $200.




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So...Does anyone have the link to psa's trade in and or trade up policies? Looks like the beginning of a wonderful relationship to me!
The formula is outlet center price -(minus) all costs associated with getting the product back to our location -(minus) all new boxing(we don't trust boxing after it has gone through fedex twice) -(minus) average shipping cost to new customer. We don't charge anything for all of the time involved or the shop hours(unbox, inspect, QC, rebox).

The big variable is the "outlet center price". That will vary a bit depending on condition, age, and current b-stock inventory on hand.

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Performance of a V3601 and size of a V1801, my guess would be somewhere around upwards of $2500.


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That's awesome.. I just glanced over it at first and thought "weird looking DVD box set..."

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Well aware that market research helps set price- but I 100% honestly saw you ask this question in my email and came here thinking "hmm..I'd say $200 premium for size/wife factor".

Seems the guy above me agrees- and I am being honest- I did not see what he thought before I made my number.

Of course I would like $150, 100, 75... who wouldn't... but hell- the market sets what the market sets.

I own your 210T and 210C along with two S3000i. Your entire business model is made up of people who spend more than they should to any rational person.

Hell- give me a good price, I'll sign a NDA, and I'll stuff my two S3000i (w/ boxes) into my 12 cyl, take off work, drive it out to your place to do the swap and let you take it for a rip. Then drive home many hundreds of miles with 2 of whatever these new things are.

It's no Chevy but fun in it's own way...
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$1800-$1850 Deal of the Century. $2500 more realistic.

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The dual 18" with PR. I would imagine $3300-3500. Those drivers alone I would imagine are $500-600 x2 a piece and the PR another $150 x2 plus the amp and enclosure, packaging etc.

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The dual 18" with PR. I would imagine $3300-3500. Those drivers alone I would imagine are $500-600 x2 a piece and the PR another $150 x2 plus the amp and enclosure, packaging etc.
I thought it was going to be a neo 21" with two radiators and maybe a speakerpower 2400w amp? I'd wager $2500-3000, with a premium to be paid to not have to house something the size of a v3601. If it's dual 21" plus dual PRs then maybe 3500.
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Single 18 active, dual 18 PR, 3200-3800 watts, let's call it a 21" cube(cabinet) for now.

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Single 18 active, dual 18 PR, 3200-3800 watts, let's call it a 21" cube(cabinet) for now.

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Ok, then $2999-3199

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$3k. Maybe
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I'm lucky enough to have an XS30 - feel free to PM me with any questions. I'll say this though, it's a fantastic sub - with room filling, punishing sound. I've got a medium sized room that's about 13 x 17 - and still get VERY deep extension with it (YMMV):

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The dual 18" with PR. I would imagine $3300-3500. Those drivers alone I would imagine are $500-600 x2 a piece and the PR another $150 x2 plus the amp and enclosure, packaging etc.
The drivers are not $500-600, unless it will be a new 18" driver. Two quality PRs likely cost close to a driver. The cabinet and shipping costs will be less than a V3601. The highest ongoing cost would be the amplifier I believe. Will it be 2x700W or 2400W?

I would guess an even $1999 shipped for a 1400W version and $2099-$2249 for 2400W version. A pair for $4000 or under seems like the sweet spot to me.

Edit: I'm guessing 3200W=2400W Speakerpower rated amp.

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The drivers are not $500-600, unless it will be a new 18" driver. Two quality PRs likely cost close to a driver. The cabinet and shipping costs will be less than a V3601. The highest ongoing cost would be the amplifier I believe. Will it be 2x700W or 2400W?

I would guess an even $1999 shipped for a 1400W version and $2099-$2249 for 2400W version. A pair for $4000 or under seems like the sweet spot to me.

Edit: I'm guessing 3200W=2400W Speakerpower rated amp.
I thought this was the driver and I was basing it off of these posts. It would take a pretty hefty driver to take over 3000 watts to a single 18" https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54352825 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54588808 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54598828

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I thought this was the driver and I was basing it off of these posts. It would take a pretty hefty driver to take over 3000 watts to a single 18" https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54352825 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54588808 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54598828
You are right. I was assuming it was the same 18" PSA driver. What you pictured looks like a much beefier motor.
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I thought this was the driver and I was basing it off of these posts. It would take a pretty hefty driver to take over 3000 watts to a single 18" https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54352825 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54588808 https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...l#post54598828
The driver in the last round of testing was a more capable version of that neo based 18. And we're using the 4000w platform from speaker power.

One thing for everyone to keep in mind. If it was possible to get "similar performance at half the size" at anywhere close to the same cost-to-manufacture...I mean...come on guys....why would vented subs even exist?

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4000W + Neo motor + 21" cube = $2999. $2749 would be a nice pre-order price. Assuming output down to 16Hz.
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2 18's + 2 15's + 3600 watts rms (8600 watts peak) in a sealed 2300cu room + Hacksaw Ridge = 1 awesome experience.
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The driver in the last round of testing was a more capable version of that neo based 18. And we're using the 4000w platform from speaker power.

One thing for everyone to keep in mind. If it was possible to get "similar performance at half the size" at anywhere close to the same cost-to-manufacture...I mean...come on guys....why would vented subs even exist?

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Exactly. Man, that driver is a beast and they are not cheap!

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That's actually the review that sold me on the XS30. It's funny how I went from selling my Mirage BPS400 and buying the XS30, trading up to the XS30SE ( 4 weeks later) then came duals, then the S3600I/XS30Se combo, then S3600I/S3000I all in I believe a 4 year period. It's been a delightful experience and for that, I thank you and Jim for providing top notch products, excellent customer support, and for making me feel comfortable buying from an ID company.
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The driver in the last round of testing was a more capable version of that neo based 18. And we're using the 4000w platform from speaker power.



One thing for everyone to keep in mind. If it was possible to get "similar performance at half the size" at anywhere close to the same cost-to-manufacture...I mean...come on guys....why would vented subs even exist?



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Haha I had no idea it was going to take a beefier 18 and 4000 watts, although in hindsight now I feel like I should have.

Is $3000 closer? I honestly have no idea how to gauge the cost of a sub like this.

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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hacksaw-...=ref:212,loc:2

It's worth the purchase. Great Picture, Atmos sound, and a great story.
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The formula is outlet center price -(minus) all costs associated with getting the product back to our location -(minus) all new boxing(we don't trust boxing after it has gone through fedex twice) -(minus) average shipping cost to new customer. We don't charge anything for all of the time involved or the shop hours(unbox, inspect, QC, rebox).

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As someone else mentioned for an exact quote just pop into chat or email me and we'll work through it pretty quick. Thanks!

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Thanks Tom, I was more curious than anything else. My V1801's are staying with me for awhile!
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It's worth the purchase. Great Picture, Atmos sound, and a great story.
Well said Mike Butny ! It has an excellent Atmos sound track and the bass is very well done.
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Got Hacksaw Ridge in today via Netflix disc....knew it when when I saw Dolby Audio on the disc that it was diluted to DD5.1......

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Hacksaw Ridge rental sounded great on the dual S3000i here. Some Dolby Audio is mixed better than others. Deepwater Horizon was lacking for me yet others mentioned better results from Dolby.......

Some movie nights go like this when the disk goes in.....

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That's actually the review that sold me on the XS30. It's funny how I went from selling my Mirage BPS400 and buying the XS30, trading up to the XS30SE ( 4 weeks later) then came duals, then the S3600I/XS30Se combo, then S3600I/S3000I all in I believe a 4 year period. It's been a delightful experience and for that, I thank you and Jim for providing top notch products, excellent customer support, and for making me feel comfortable buying from an ID company.
LOL... I like your journey from sub upgrade to sub upgrade. I think it's safe to say you have a bass addiction.

My addiction started with a Polk PSW303 (8" driver, 100 watts), then an Infinity Alpha 1200 (12", 500 watts) then I found the hard stuff. Upgraded to the PSA XV15, then added a PSA XV15se (so now I had duals), then I did the SE upgrade to my original XV15 so now I had dual XV15se's. By now I was hardcore, loved bass, couldn't get enough. So I traded in a XV15se for a V3600. Ohhhhh man, 18" drivers! Are you serious? Talk about addictive bass. So of course I did the only sensible thing... I added a 2nd V3600. Then the V3601's came out and traded in the V3600s for the V3601's. But I'm all better now. No more upgrades.

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LOL... I like your journey from sub upgrade to sub upgrade. I think it's safe to say you have a bass addiction.

My addiction started with a Polk PSW303 (8" driver, 100 watts), then an Infinity Alpha 1200 (12", 500 watts) then I found the hard stuff. Upgraded to the PSA XV15, then added a PSA XV15se (so now I had duals), then I did the SE upgrade to my original XV15 so now I had dual XV15se's. By now I was hardcore, loved bass, couldn't get enough. So I traded in a XV15se for a V3600. Ohhhhh man, 18" drivers! Are you serious? Talk about addictive bass. So of course I did the only sensible thing... I added a 2nd V3600. Then the V3601's came out and traded in the V3600s for the V3601's. But I'm all better now. No more upgrades.
Never say never my friend.... The world of sub woofers is alive and well and as long as we are on these forums the likelihood of upgrade is quite high..
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We often comment on PSA's customer service here and I want to add that, Tom and Jim have been great to work with. And even though I've done a ton of upgrading, Tom has never tried to sell me on anything, if anything he has talked me out of spending money at times. When I ask him about a product he almost always under sells it's capabilities. Then I get it and I've always been: "Oh man, this is incredible!"

One other thing, their willingness to take trade-ins makes an upgrade path much more doable. And if you are within a reasonable driving distance for drop off and pick up then the trade-in/upgrade path is even more affordable.

And upgrading little by little for some is the only way to do things. Do be honest, even if the V3600 had existed at the time I bought my first XV15 I would never have been able to buy it (the V3600), I just couldn't have afforded it. I bought the most sub I could afford at the time. We all have different income levels and some guys can just go out and buy the biggest sub they want whenever they want, I'm not one of those guys. So slowly stepping up through the years has been great.

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