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With a 4kw speakerpower amp and the performance of a v3601 in the size of a v1801 I wouldn't expect much change from $3k when this comes out.
I have never found PSA to overcharge for a particular performance level. You definitely get a lot for what you pay with ID. If the price is around $3k I have confidence it will be well worth it.
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Oh I'm not saying its overpriced at all, anyway potential pricing is pure speculation. Just pointing out it's going to cost more than the v3601, if that was his pricing benchmark.
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I am interested in that prototype too!! lol....since you were going to put it behind the couch anyway , a V36 can be laid on its side also.
Maybe, but there isn't a lot of clearance. The couch is 24" off the wall from it's rear-most point (right behind the shoulders). The design on its side would either be with the drivers and the port directly against the back drywall with 2" of clearance (not sure if that's a good idea) of having the drivers and port directly against the couch (again, maybe not a good idea long term with vibration like that against your kidneys). One more possibility would be to have them pointing straight up but the amp is on the other side which means it would have to be off the ground by at least 18". This is why the S3601 was so appealing in its form factor.
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Maybe, but there isn't a lot of clearance. The couch is 24" off the wall from it's rear-most point (right behind the shoulders). The design on its side would either be with the drivers and the port directly against the back drywall with 2" of clearance (not sure if that's a good idea) of having the drivers and port directly against the couch (again, maybe not a good idea long term with vibration like that against your kidneys). One more possibility would be to have them pointing straight up but the amp is on the other side which means it would have to be off the ground by at least 18". This is why the S3601 was so appealing in its form factor.
Quite a few have kidney pounders around here....I wonder if anyone has asked their doctors about this health wise? But yeah I'm all for the S36's, the sound is so much more filling to me than the ported , and I'm sure someone who knows more than I do could extract alot more performance out of them!

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I have never found PSA to overcharge for a particular performance level. You definitely get a lot for what you pay with ID. If the price is around $3k I have confidence it will be well worth it.
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With a 4kw speakerpower amp and the performance of a v3601 in the size of a v1801 I wouldn't expect much change from $3k when this comes out.
is this for sure coming out?
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is this for sure coming out?
Tom has more than hinted at it , and even asked what we thought the price range for this would be. Its a work in progress I believe.
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Maybe, but there isn't a lot of clearance. The couch is 24" off the wall from it's rear-most point (right behind the shoulders). The design on its side would either be with the drivers and the port directly against the back drywall with 2" of clearance (not sure if that's a good idea) of having the drivers and port directly against the couch (again, maybe not a good idea long term with vibration like that against your kidneys). One more possibility would be to have them pointing straight up but the amp is on the other side which means it would have to be off the ground by at least 18". This is why the S3601 was so appealing in its form factor.
I have the dual V3601's in the basement HT and I now have a S1801 which I just purchased a few months ago for my living room set up. Up until a few months ago I would have suggested the V3601 laid on its side for you because you said you mostly use it for movies. But now that I have a sealed PSA sub in my home I think I can safely say you will be more than happy with the S3601 for movies and since it will fit better for your situation I wouldn't hesitate to snap one up.

My S1801 sits in a large open concept first floor living room and the entire open area that the sub sees is 8000 cubic feet as well as an open stair well going to the upstairs hall. Every day that lonely S1801 astounds me with the way it provides great bass. It has totally changed my view of sealed subs. I'm loving it.

That said, I still think I prefer the ported subs a bit better for movies because of the stronger tactile presence they seem to bring with them but the preference isn't nearly as strong as it used to be... I know now that I would be very happy with a good sealed set up as well. This S1801 has really shown me something.

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Tom has more than hinted at it , and even asked what we thought the price range for this would be. Its a work in progress I believe.
Well, I'll be watching for this....looks very intriguing.
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I have the dual V3601's in the basement HT and I now have a S1801 which I just purchased a few months ago for my living room set up. Up until a few months ago I would have suggested the V3601 laid on its side for you because you said you mostly use it for movies. But now that I have a sealed PSA sub in my home I think I can safely say you will be more than happy with the S3601 for movies and since it will fit better for your situation I wouldn't hesitate to snap one up.

My S1801 sits in a large open concept first floor living room and the entire open area that the sub sees is 8000 cubic feet as well as an open stair well going to the upstairs hall. Every day that lonely S1801 astounds me with the way it provides great bass. It has totally changed my view of sealed subs. I'm loving it.

That said, I still think I prefer the ported subs a bit better for movies because of the stronger tactile presence they seem to bring with them but the preference isn't nearly as strong as it used to be... I know now that I would be very happy with a good sealed set up as well. This S1801 has really shown me something.
Just imagine 2 S36's in a smaller room , tucked into a corner.....Think thats why ive been so happy with mine...they literally rock the whole house , granted our house is not that big!! lol...
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My room is irregular shaped since it's a bonus room in our house and the laundry room intrudes into it. But overall it's about 17'x22'x12' where the ceiling is a barn style. So I estimate about 4300 cu ft. I can close the doors to the room (two) but we usually leave them open.

I'm very curious about the prototype. I have time since I'm not looking to make a purchase immediately, especially after this past Christmas. I'll have to reach out to Tom about specs and when this thing might see the light of day.

The V3601 is appealing except I think the form factor is all wrong for me. I don't think I'd ever convince my wife to take in a 44" high large box. Much easier to hide a lower profile box behind the couch.
S3601 would fit the bill imo.
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I know I've mentioned this to you before, but have you ever tried the "Copy"/"Audyssey Flat Curve" function in the GEQ and gave that a listen? I much prefer the sound in my room. In fact, I turned Audyssey back on just the other night and after getting used to the sound with the GEQ, I just can't go back.

However, you have a large dip in your bass response that I don't have, and that can't be fixed with the GEQ. If you did prefer the sound, you could always add a MiniDSP for the subs.

To me, Audyssey ON sounds more "processed" and the bass sounds like it is being held back somehow...I can't explain it, because according to REW it should sound better.
Hey guys. Just wanted to comment a bit on this. I'm more of a lurker than a poster these days. I have a Denon x6200 and decided to play around with this for the past few weeks. I can absolutely agree with @Alan P . I'm somewhat familiar with REW and my room measures nicely. XT32 does a great job eq'ing my room and time aligning my subs but there is a considerable improvement in sound quality and tactile feel by doing this "Copy"/"Audyssey Flat Curve". Whenever I turn Audyssey back on the system does sound like its being held back. Substantially, in fact. It really is puzzling. Does anyone have more technical information as to why this is the case? I plan to take measurements eventually just to see if the graphs prove what I'm hearing. Even if it doesn't, there's no way I can go back to turning Audyssey on with music or movies. The difference really is that incredible.
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Hey guys. Just wanted to comment a bit on this. I'm more of a lurker than a poster these days. I have a Denon x6200 and decided to play around with this for the past few weeks. I can absolutely agree with @Alan P. I'm somewhat familiar with REW and my room measures nicely. XT32 does a great job eq'ing my room and time aligning my subs but there is a considerable improvement in sound quality and tactile feel by doing this "Copy"/"Audyssey Flat Curve". Whenever I turn Audyssey back on the system does sound like its being held back. Substantially, in fact. It really is puzzling. Does anyone have more technical information as to why this is the case? I plan to take measurements eventually just to see if the graphs prove what I'm hearing. Even if it doesn't, there's no way I can go back to turning Audyssey on with music or movies. The difference really is that incredible.

What do you mean "Copy/Audyssey Flat Curve?' Are you saying your setup sounds better with Audyssey Flat, or with Audyssey turned off altogether?
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What do you mean "Copy/Audyssey Flat Curve?' Are you saying your setup sounds better with Audyssey Flat, or with Audyssey turned off altogether?
This was originally reported by @Kal Rubinson a few years ago AFAIK.
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Hop,

I know I've mentioned this to you before, but have you ever tried the "Copy"/"Audyssey Flat Curve" function in the GEQ and gave that a listen? I much prefer the sound in my room. In fact, I turned Audyssey back on just the other night and after getting used to the sound with the GEQ, I just can't go back.

However, you have a large dip in your bass response that I don't have, and that can't be fixed with the GEQ. If you did prefer the sound, you could always add a MiniDSP for the subs.

To me, Audyssey ON sounds more "processed" and the bass sounds like it is being held back somehow...I can't explain it, because according to REW it should sound better.
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What do you mean "Copy/Audyssey Flat Curve?' Are you saying your setup sounds better with Audyssey Flat, or with Audyssey turned off altogether?
Only certain Denons have this option. Once you run XT32 go into the menu and turn Audyssey off. With Audyssey on, you can't access the Graphic EQ. Once you turn it off the Graphic EQ option will become available. Turn on Graphic EQ and choose Each for your speaker selection. Then scroll down to Curve Copy and copy the settings. I experienced the same improvement that @Alan P did. I don't know enough about Audyssey to understand or explain why it sounds so much better. It just does. I've been playing with this setting for weeks with music and movies. I spent this much time with the change because I wanted to be sure what I was hearing wasn't a fluke. I'm sure everyone may not experience the same improvement. I would imagine a lot may be room dependent. I would highly recommend giving it a try.
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Hmm, I will definitely have to try that! (X6200w)
Edit: just tried switching between the two. I still prefer the original reference calibration. I'll probably play with it some more though!

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Hmm, I will definitely have to try that! (X6200w)
Edit: just tried switching between the two. I still prefer the original reference calibration. I'll probably play with it some more though!
I still have yet to do this but I do plan on playing with it. But with the plans to redo the HT I'm kind of just waiting until I that is done.

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Hey guys. Just wanted to comment a bit on this. I'm more of a lurker than a poster these days. I have a Denon x6200 and decided to play around with this for the past few weeks. I can absolutely agree with @Alan P . I'm somewhat familiar with REW and my room measures nicely. XT32 does a great job eq'ing my room and time aligning my subs but there is a considerable improvement in sound quality and tactile feel by doing this "Copy"/"Audyssey Flat Curve". Whenever I turn Audyssey back on the system does sound like its being held back. Substantially, in fact. It really is puzzling. Does anyone have more technical information as to why this is the case? I plan to take measurements eventually just to see if the graphs prove what I'm hearing. Even if it doesn't, there's no way I can go back to turning Audyssey on with music or movies. The difference really is that incredible.
That's great! Glad it's not just me.
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holy mother of God this song is lowwww. If you have a nearfield sub, you can thank me later. The PSA subs really make this 16hz fundamental come alive and shake the crap out of you.

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Been lurking here for years and with a recent upgrade I felt it necessary to show my support for PSA. After moving to a new house and due to a much larger room I felt the need to upgrade my whole system. I started looking through the forums and noticed that PSA speakers and sub woofers were recommended a lot. A friend of mine had just purchased a pair of MT-110 speakers and after having a listen I was sold. Realizing PSA was fairly local I gave them a call and placed an order which I drove out to their shop to pick up. Tom gave a tour of their facility and introduced my to Jim and their shop manager. It was all I could do to fit the 3 MTM-210s and the 2 15vs I bought into the back of my SUV. I got everything home and set it all up and was blown away at how much better the speakers sounded that the Klipsch reference series 1 I previously had.

I spent the next week dialing in everything the way I wanted but there was something haunting me in the back of my mind. While I was at the shop I was able to see everything in production and caught a glimpse of the V3601 and though to myself, man I bet those put out some serious bass (not that the 15vs were lacking, but you know how it goes lol). I don't have to deal with the wife acceptance factor or children so I figured what the hell, go big or go home. After giving Tom another call I was on my way back out to PSA again to make the exchange and pick up the rest of my system. Cramming 2 V3601s, 2 MT-110s, and 2 MT-110srs into my poor SUV was a feat but they managed to get it all in there and off I went. Luckily I am good friends with both of my neighbors because things got out of hand quick the first time I hosted a movie night.

I have to say I have never been this satisfied with the way my system sounds since I started into home theater 20 years ago. Being able to drive to a manufacturer and see how a product is made and meet the people making it is something that is forgotten in America these days and coming from a manufacturing background I can appreciate what it takes to make a competitive product in the US. The fact that when you call PSA and Tom is the one that answers the phone speaks volumes to how they run their business.

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Hi Alan, about to give the GEQ a go. Do leave speaker selection as all and then curve copy? And then when it says copy Audyssey flat say yes and that is it?


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Been lurking here for years and with a recent upgrade I felt it necessary to show my support for PSA. After moving to a new house and due to a much larger room I felt the need to upgrade my whole system. I started looking through the forums and noticed that PSA speakers and sub woofers were recommended a lot. A friend of mine had just purchased a pair of MT-110 speakers and after having a listen I was sold. Realizing PSA was fairly local I gave them a call and placed an order which I drove out to their shop to pick up. Tom gave a tour of their facility and introduced my to Jim and their shop manager. It was all I could do to fit the 3 MTM-210s and the 2 15vs I bought into the back of my SUV. I got everything home and set it all up and was blown away at how much better the speakers sounded that the Klipsch reference series 1 I previously had.

I spent the next week dialing in everything the way I wanted but there was something haunting me in the back of my mind. While I was at the shop I was able to see everything in production and caught a glimpse of the V3601 and though to myself, man I bet those put out some serious bass (not that the 15vs were lacking, but you know how it goes lol). I don't have to deal with the wife acceptance factor or children so I figured what the hell, go big or go home. After giving Tom another call I was on my way back out to PSA again to make the exchange and pick up the rest of my system. Cramming 2 V3601s, 2 MT-110s, and 2 MT-110srs into my poor SUV was a feat but they managed to get it all in there and off I went. Luckily I am good friends with both of my neighbors because things got out of hand quick the first time I hosted a movie night.

I have to say I have never been this satisfied with the way my system sounds since I started into home theater 20 years ago. Being able to drive to a manufacturer and see how a product is made and meet the people making it is something that is forgotten in America these days and coming from a manufacturing background I can appreciate what it takes to make a competitive product in the US. The fact that when you call PSA and Tom is the one that answers the phone speaks volumes to how they run their business.

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Hi Alan, about to give the GEQ a go. Do leave speaker selection as all and then curve copy? And then when it says copy Audyssey flat say yes and that is it?


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Not Alan - but the recommendation is to set Speaker Selection to "Each" then select "Copy Curve" You can also view the actual settings if you select the "Adjust EQ (?) button

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Well well well...The GF got me an Xbox1X for Xmas so after getting it set up I started to mess with the audio settings. I had the same problem I had with the original XB1 , audio output would only play in "Stereo Uncompressed" and it always sounded good bit somehow I knew I was missing something. In the XB1X thread @javan robinson asked a question that made me think , he said that although it sounds like Atmos is playing it's probably a PCM signal distributed through all 7 speakers. Found a setting in my Onkyo AVR called "PCM FIXED" which was set to ON. Clicked it off and BOOM Atmos started to read on display and got a whole nother level of sound!
I played some Battlefield1 and a couple other things and just found the bass quite overbearing! Ended up dialing some of the settings back , even the gain on the S36s back to about 10 o clock..Now I'm re-listening to everything to get an idea of where I'm at. Watching the grenade scene on WWZ on Xbox movies , and holy SHHHH! it crushed the house and scared the GF! She was on the phone with my cousins wife and she yells into the phone ," THAT WAS THE BASS! HES OVER HERE SCREWING AROUND!" Guess she could hear rattling on the other end lol...So yeah it's like a new system right now...Hopefully getting a laptop soon so I can get REW and some graphs going!

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Been lurking here for years and with a recent upgrade I felt it necessary to show my support for PSA. After moving to a new house and due to a much larger room I felt the need to upgrade my whole system. I started looking through the forums and noticed that PSA speakers and sub woofers were recommended a lot. A friend of mine had just purchased a pair of MT-110 speakers and after having a listen I was sold. Realizing PSA was fairly local I gave them a call and placed an order which I drove out to their shop to pick up. Tom gave a tour of their facility and introduced my to Jim and their shop manager. It was all I could do to fit the 3 MTM-210s and the 2 15vs I bought into the back of my SUV. I got everything home and set it all up and was blown away at how much better the speakers sounded that the Klipsch reference series 1 I previously had.

I spent the next week dialing in everything the way I wanted but there was something haunting me in the back of my mind. While I was at the shop I was able to see everything in production and caught a glimpse of the V3601 and though to myself, man I bet those put out some serious bass (not that the 15vs were lacking, but you know how it goes lol). I don't have to deal with the wife acceptance factor or children so I figured what the hell, go big or go home. After giving Tom another call I was on my way back out to PSA again to make the exchange and pick up the rest of my system. Cramming 2 V3601s, 2 MT-110s, and 2 MT-110srs into my poor SUV was a feat but they managed to get it all in there and off I went. Luckily I am good friends with both of my neighbors because things got out of hand quick the first time I hosted a movie night.

I have to say I have never been this satisfied with the way my system sounds since I started into home theater 20 years ago. Being able to drive to a manufacturer and see how a product is made and meet the people making it is something that is forgotten in America these days and coming from a manufacturing background I can appreciate what it takes to make a competitive product in the US. The fact that when you call PSA and Tom is the one that answers the phone speaks volumes to how they run their business.

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NICE!!! Congratulations on your new set up and welcome to the PSA family. I hope you decide to post more often and share your thoughts on things (both here and on the PSA speaker thread). You have a nice looking room BTW.
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Hi All. Looking for some advice. Wife finally gave the go ahead to upgrade. Currently have a 15V (love it) but I am either going to go duals and add a another 15V or send my 15V back and upgrade to a single V3601. My room is open concept 3500 cubic ft / 500 sqft. Does anyone have any advice? Spoke to Tom who has been very helpful but am looking to see if anyone has experienced both of these setups. I am planning on kids and pets in the future and do like the industrial design of the 15V but we all know how the bass addiction goes...

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