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Damn, that sub is big. I would love to have dual V3601s but room is tight. I gotta stop visiting these forums...:

By the way you need to update your signature, still reads V1801
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Cabinet size, cost, and performance.

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Perhaps I put too much stock into extension. However, low extension w/headroom is the most difficult for subwoofers to reproduce. Hitting 16-25Hz [and below] at reference (115+ dB) is more important/impressive to me than hitting 80Hz at 130+ dB. I'm talking individual frequencies and not averages.

The room still plays a huge part in how subs will perform. This is why I am now incorporating several different rooms of my home for evaluating subs moving forward.

"The room still plays a huge part in how subs will perform. This is why I am now incorporating several different rooms of my home for evaluating subs moving forward."


I was thinking about this lately. If you had a choice between dual S3601's or a single S7201 which would you choose? I would say that dual S3601 would have the potential to have more output than a single S7201 once it's inside our rooms. Look at the numbers below for a comparison chart and they are close and now factor in the room gain of dual subs, for everyone with a Mic/REW we know a sub will measure different in different locations throughout the room. In some locations, the sub will get more room gain in a certain range of frequencies so it has the potential to gain much more than 6db when adding in the second subwoofer. So its safe to assume especially at a certain frequency range dual S3601 with the benefit of room gain will have or give the presence its the more powerful sub.



Dual S3601

16Hz - 25Hz: 123.3 dB
31Hz - 50Hz: 137.1 dB
63Hz - 100Hz: 140.5 dB
16Hz - 100Hz: 136.1 dB


Single S7201

16Hz - 25Hz: 124.1 dB
31Hz - 50Hz: 137.3 dB
63Hz - 100Hz: 142.4 dB
16Hz - 100Hz: 137.2 dB

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Ok I did the distance tweak. It was interesting. Audyssey set my sub distance to like 16.5 feet. I took it all the way down to 0.0 feet, set a global crossover to 100hz.

Boom! Not sure why but I did adjust delay on each sub individually with minidsp while utilizing RTA I had them dialed in pretty good before I ran Audyssey maybe that is why it worked. I dunno but I will take it!

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Hmmm....taking the distance down to 0' doesn't seem right. With the SDT, I usually add to the distance of the sub, not subtract. But I guess the results don't lie!

Is that still sub+mains? If so, how does the sub+center look now?

Try to post all of your graphs with 5dB steps, it makes them easier to compare. This last one has 10dB steps.
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I like how we like having plants on top of our subs lol! Totally disguises it. Cant even tell its there.
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May I chime in here?! Bro, just go V3601 from the start. I wish I had, but I went 1801 first and then traded up about 5 months later. Save the money and just go big. You will not regret it.

The only thing I regret is not going duals...Damn symmetry is all off!

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F-Word that is huge! Im trying to justify as much as I can trust me haha, trying to find different locations that it will fit into. I know trying to justify something like this on a forum is a horrid thing to do, Im sure ill get pushed off the fence lol.

These spots here are really the only locations I would be able to fit one of these massive things though. Anyone see any issues with it to the right of my tv in that corner?
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F-Word that is huge! Im trying to justify as much as I can trust me haha, trying to find different locations that it will fit into. I know trying to justify something like this on a forum is a horrid thing to do, Im sure ill get pushed off the fence lol.

These spots here are really the only locations I would be able to fit one of these massive things though. Anyone see any issues with it to the right of my tv in that corner?
I don't know. It would probably sound fine, but if you didn't move the couch it might muddy it up a little. What about that corner on the left??

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I don't know. It would probably sound fine, but if you didn't move the couch it might muddy it up a little. What about that corner on the left??
That is also another possible spot.

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Hmmm....taking the distance down to 0' doesn't seem right. With the SDT, I usually add to the distance of the sub, not subtract. But I guess the results don't lie!

Is that still sub+mains? If so, how does the sub+center look now?

Try to post all of your graphs with 5dB steps, it makes them easier to compare. This last one has 10dB steps.
If you wanted to add delay don't you want to decrease the sub distance?
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Dammit , I should have just bundled lol!! My lack of REW and having an Onkyo leaves me thinking these would probably be a big benefit to me. Now since I have 2 S3601's , would I need 1 or 2? The answer is probably 2....Im just thinking because I have one nearfield , it would benefit more than the one I have in the corner that has 0 delay and gain set to my liking? Or is it , if you are thinking about buying 1 you may as well order 2 and try them both out and let your ears decide since the cost to try out is basically nothing? I dont know how I talk myself into spending money so easy......
If you are within your 60 days on the new subs you still qualify for the bundle pricing.

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Hmmm....taking the distance down to 0' doesn't seem right. With the SDT, I usually add to the distance of the sub, not subtract. But I guess the results don't lie!

Is that still sub+mains? If so, how does the sub+center look now?

Try to post all of your graphs with 5dB steps, it makes them easier to compare. This last one has 10dB steps.
you were right I tweaked the l/r and the center was all messed up. So I started all over. I just measured the center and subs. Global crossover at 100hz. First graph is baseline reading. Second is -1ft. Which smoothed it out so looks pretty good to me.
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F-Word that is huge! Im trying to justify as much as I can trust me haha, trying to find different locations that it will fit into. I know trying to justify something like this on a forum is a horrid thing to do, Im sure ill get pushed off the fence lol.

These spots here are really the only locations I would be able to fit one of these massive things though. Anyone see any issues with it to the right of my tv in that corner?
@ahblaza made a good recommendation about going with dual V1801's and I always used to recommend the same thing... going with two lesser subs over one monster sub. It's usually very solid advice.

BUT, if you're the type of guy who will spend the first week happy with dual V1801's and then spend the next two months fighting back the nagging question, "These are awesome... But I wonder what the V3601 would be like?" Then you will be better off just getting V3601 like @fastninja76 suggested.

Because in the end you might very well end up unable to resist the temptation and have to order the V3601 anyway (remember, she's a temptress and hard to resist). And that type of ordering and sending subs back gets expensive.

So really it comes down to how well you know yourself. Would you be happy with dual V1801's and be able to forget your curiosity about the V3601? If so then get the dual V1801's. But if not... get the big gun and be done.

By the way, I never thought I would have been able to get dual V3601's in my room. But guess what, I did.

Below is a picture of V3601 sitting next to a S1801. The S1801 is a good size sub, until it sits next to it's big brother.
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you were right I tweaked the l/r and the center was all messed up. So I started all over. I just measured the center and subs. Global crossover at 100hz. First graph is baseline reading. Second is -1ft. Which smoothed it out so looks pretty good to me.
Man... I'm impressed. You've come a long way from two days ago. You definitely put your work in and it has paid off.
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I was thinking about this lately. If you had a choice between dual S3601's or a single S7201 which would you choose?
Let me get back to you on this, once I pay @climber07 and @Jsnow17 visits. I don't know exactly how the push-pull orientation, the increased cabinet size, increased power, and slot loading effect the PSA 18" driver.

In my home, there is really no place a S7201 let alone two. I am just a multiple-sub guy. I also love the flexibility the Seaton F18+ give me.

If the push-pull and slot-loading make a significant difference I would love to see PSA offer a S3602 that would look something like this.


It could be offered with 2400W amp or 4000W active/passive configs.
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F-Word that is huge! Im trying to justify as much as I can trust me haha, trying to find different locations that it will fit into. I know trying to justify something like this on a forum is a horrid thing to do, Im sure ill get pushed off the fence lol.

These spots here are really the only locations I would be able to fit one of these massive things though. Anyone see any issues with it to the right of my tv in that corner?
The couch won't have any effect.

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F-Word that is huge! Im trying to justify as much as I can trust me haha, trying to find different locations that it will fit into. I know trying to justify something like this on a forum is a horrid thing to do, Im sure ill get pushed off the fence lol.

These spots here are really the only locations I would be able to fit one of these massive things though. Anyone see any issues with it to the right of my tv in that corner?
What am I missing? You can fit the V3601 anywhere you can fit the V1801. Sure, it's 20" taller, but the width and depth are the same. As several others have stated, get the V3601. You'll second-guess yourself if you go with the V1801 in my opinion.
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Just so torn between the v1801 or v3601. My heart says V3601, my wallet and mind say V1801 lol
I also thought that Jeffrey made a lot of sense. But, in this case, I would still recommend that you go with the V3601, as Hop and others have suggested. Your last sentence above says it all to me. Go with your heart on this, because your mind and wallet will change before your heart does.

I think it is entirely conceivable that you will end up having two V3601's anyway. It might not happen right away, but once people discover what really powerful subs can do, there is rarely any turning back.

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I also thought that Jeffrey made a lot of sense. But, in this case, I would still recommend that you go with the V3601, as Hop and others have suggested. Your last sentence above says it all to me. Go with your heart on this, because your mind and wallet will change before your heart does.

I think it is entirely conceivable that you will end up having two V3601's anyway. It might not happen right away, but once people discover what really powerful subs can do, there is rarely any turning back.

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^ Agree 100%. Go with the biggest sub you can even if it's over your current budget. I remember when I was in the market for a new sub and everyone would ask me how much can you spend and my answer was" I really shouldn't be buying anything but we all know what happens when that little guy pops up on your shoulder. I had a Mirage BPS400, sold it to help pay for the XS30, upgraded to XS30SE then the next year I had dual XS30SE, then it was the S3600/XS30SE combo then S3600/S3000I combo and currently I'm at the S3600I/S3000I/ DIY UM18-22 combo and in March I will be adding another DIY UM18-22 and then the next plan is trading up the S3000I for the S3601. I didn't have the money then and I really don't have the money now but I find a way. Get the biggest sub you can afford now and find a way of adding another later on.

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@ahblaza made a good recommendation about going with dual V1801's and I always used to recommend the same thing... going with two lesser subs over one monster sub. It's usually very solid advice.

BUT, if you're the type of guy who will spend the first week happy with dual V1801's and then spend the next two months fighting back the nagging question, "These are awesome... But I wonder what the V3601 would be like?" Then you will be better off just getting V3601 like @fastninja76 suggested.

Because in the end you might very well end up unable to resist the temptation and have to order the V3601 anyway (remember, she's a temptress and hard to resist). And that type of ordering and sending subs back gets expensive.

So really it comes down to how well you know yourself. Would you be happy with dual V1801's and be able to forget your curiosity about the V3601? If so then get the dual V1801's. But if not... get the big gun and be done.

By the way, I never thought I would have been able to get dual V3601's in my room. But guess what, I did.

Below is a picture of V3601 sitting next to a S1801. The S1801 is a good size sub, until it sits next to it's big brother.
Well said! That's exactly right.
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Right...lol....it's not necessarily deep , but just Pounds!

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DJ Turn it Up by Yellow Claw is a song to demo your sub for sure.
One of my favorites. Another forum member (sorry i can't remember who) recommended:

BOJET-holding hands with you


Its has that wobble effect .

Another one of my favorites


If you have streaming service (spotify/tidal) the full 7 min version is good.

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One of my favorites. Another forum member (sorry i can't remember who) recommended:

BOJET-holding hands with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrXElLbBnXU

Its has that wobble effect .

Another one of my favorites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3njX4nSO5U

If you have streaming service (spotify/tidal) the full 7 min version is good.
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Just so torn between the v1801 or v3601. My heart says V3601, my wallet and mind say V1801 lol
Disregard everything I said in the earlier post about getting the V1801(s), no matter what you decide if it's not the V3601 your mind will always be on that sub(s) and probably in a couple months if you last that long you'll have dual V3601s.........so save yourself the misery of what IF and just get it now or better yet order two V36s and save yourself more frustration and numerous calls to Tom....................

I really don't blame you seriously......... just do it.....
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See some shoots i took tonight of how the room looks finished, OMG it has sure come a long way took me about two years to finish it!, i have included four throw-back pictures from the good old days when i started

Thanks for the advice re the Sub 2, i had run conduits back there whiles building for that very purpose encase the need arises, looks like it may come in handy depending!

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its been a while but I'm playing some hellboy 2 near reference right now and forgot just a gread audio track this was!

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I did a brief test trying out adjusting the RSC knob by putting the dial into the middle and running audyssey, but keeping the gain in the same spot. With the knob at large, audyssey came back at -10.5. When I put it to the middle position and ran audyssey it came back at -8, so I increased the gain while keeping the RSC in the middle, and this time it came back at -10.5 to get the same value as my previous reading with the RSC at the large setting. After audyssey I moved the RSC knob to the large position. I then increased the sub by 3db in the AVR.

I only did some brief listening to music with some hip hop/rap songs, and I maybe I would have to play these songs back with my previous setting to compare more closely, but I could absolutely hear and FEEL the difference with bass. It sounded more full and punchy and only had the MV at -30 which definitely never gave me this amount of bass at the setting before hand. My plan is to play some scenes from interstellar and elysium tomorrow to see what changes I notice in movies. But so far I like what I hear!
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Disregard everything I said in the earlier post about getting the V1801(s), no matter what you decide if it's not the V3601 your mind will always be on that sub(s) and probably in a couple months if you last that long you'll have dual V3601s.........so save yourself the misery of what IF and just get it now or better yet order two V36s and save yourself more frustration and numerous calls to Tom....................



I really don't blame you seriously......... just do it.....


I have been itching for a V3601 set up in my 2100 cuft room on a suspended floor but then I recalled a good point made by @ mike bunty about utilizing the capability of the sub. I don’t think I am even close to the capabilities of my dual V1801s so going to dual V3601 or S3601 may ne just a marginal benefit. Same may be true for our friend here who is trying to figure out what to do.
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its been a while but I'm playing some hellboy 2 near reference right now and forgot just a gread audio track this was!
My copy just arrived in the mail today. Never saw it before, just Hellboy 1. Looks like morning coffee will be entertaining.

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My copy just arrived in the mail today. Never saw it before, just Hellboy 1. Looks like morning coffee will be entertaining.
you will be impressed trust me! tons of ULF
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My copy just arrived in the mail today. Never saw it before, just Hellboy 1. Looks like morning coffee will be entertaining.
there is 2 powerful ULF bumbs right around 1:43:50 and 1:43:55 id like to see a graph on this

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