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anyone know what exactly the added risks are of playing bass boosted music from youtube? I listen to so BB songs sometimes only cause I'm to the point where I'm hardly testing my t18s with anything else unless it it BBed. whats the difference in just cranking my subs up more on a regular track vs leaving them at the same level and listening to a BB song on youtube?
I don't think you have anything to be concerned about, you have headroom to give away........
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I don't think you have anything to be concerned about, you have headroom to give away........
that's basically what I was thinking I mean I'm not maxing them out by any means while listening. I just wasn't sure if there was something I was missing as I have heard multiple times to always be careful with BB music and I didn't know if it went farther than just the added output being a concern

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Am i reading that correctly newc33,,,,,,,, FOUR- T-18's in 1600 ^3 sealed room. = 12- 18" drivers. Good lord
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Am i reading that correctly newc33,,,,,,,, FOUR- T-18's in 1600 ^3 sealed room. = 12- 18" drivers. Good lord
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@butie120 Amazon is out of stock indefinitely, PE about 3 weeks till in stock, CSL about another week (price $115 shipped), Madisound, out of stock, miniDSP.com in stock ($95 shipped)........if you could wait I would go with CSL, a little more $ but worth it............peace of mind knowing Herb calibrates all of the UMIK-1s..
Parts express has them avaialble through ebay. It's $91. Seems like a good deal. Is getting the UMIK from parts express alright?

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I have been itching for a V3601 set up in my 2100 cuft room on a suspended floor but then I recalled a good point made by @ mike bunty about utilizing the capability of the sub. I don’t think I am even close to the capabilities of my dual V1801s so going to dual V3601 or S3601 may ne just a marginal benefit. Same may be true for our friend here who is trying to figure out what to do.
2100 cuft is screaming for either dual S3000I'S or dual S3601'S. IIRC you had dual Seaton's which blew your breaker then you went with dual JTR which you were not too happy with and ended up with dual V1801'S. Dual V3601's or Dual S3601'S would be the end game and you would never have to upgrade again. But are you hitting the limits of dual V1801's? Do you have that what if in the back of your mind? Are you truly happy with what you currently have? Only you can answer those questions. Please see below for information what dual V3601'S and S3601'S can provide over your dual V1801'S.

Dual V3601'S would net you more output and a cleaner sound due to less compression/stress at your current listening levels. They are great looking subs and look so bad ass and I'm sure they sound bad ass too.

Dual S3601'S would net you more output, deeper extension, cleaner sound due to less compression/stress and "the sealed sound". The sealed sound comment is my opinion and others may disagree but look at a few other members that just switched over to ( PSA ) sealed and they all commented that it produces a different sound. You have had both sealed and vented/ported and I think you said you preferred the vented sound?

Please don't let my comments or any other members comments make up your mind. I know when another member upgrades and gives their review that it gets all of us thinking that we need more but ONLY you know what you need and if you're hitting your current sub-limits. I hope my rambling makes sense and helps.
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that bojet song made my head hurt lol...between my head cold and the bass on that song , feels like my head is in a vice
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I cant even begin to imagine what that experience is like. You will be feeling every frequency the source material will provide to put it mildly. Wow!
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Parts express has them avaialble through ebay. It's $91. Seems like a good deal. Is getting the UMIK from parts express alright?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/miniDSP-UMI...4AAOSwEHpZJbNS
I'm pretty sure that will be fine getting it from ebay, I have a UMIK I bought from Parts Express online site but not from ebay store, I read that the mic ships from their store so you should be fine...........
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I cant even begin to imagine what that experience is like. You will be feeling every frequency the source material will provide to put it mildly. Wow!
it really is pretty impressive and i am pretty proud of my system

i got to look back and see just how far i have come with lmy gear since my first real surround sound which consisted of ascend acoustics cmt 340se front row and 2 cbm 170 ses for surround duty. it was paired with a rythmik lv12r. basically mom has been wanting a surround sound so i sold her that one about a week ago and hooked it up for her. she was blown away especially coming from a basic sound bar and "wanna be subwoofer" lol. surprisingly i was still impressed with what it could do in her very large room for the money, but boy when i got back to my place did i ever appreciate the gear i have today haha

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The minidsp is if you want to have hands on control over the EQ of your your subs.
Not only this, it also adds a good means of time alignment...The main reason I bought one.

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2100 cuft is screaming for either dual S3000I'S or dual S3601'S. IIRC you had dual Seaton's which blew your breaker then you went with dual JTR which you were not too happy with and ended up with dual V18001'S. Dual V3601's or Dual S3601'S would be the end game and you would never have to upgrade again. But are you hitting the limits of dual V1801's? Do you have that what if in the back of your mind? Are you truly happy with what you currently have? Only you can answer those questions. Please see below for information what dual V3601'S and S3601'S can provide over your dual V1801'S.



Dual V3601'S would net you more output and a cleaner sound due to less compression/stress at your current listening levels. They are great looking subs and look so bad ass and I'm sure they sound bad ass too.



Dual S3601'S would net you more output, deeper extension, cleaner sound due to less compression/stress and "the sealed sound". The sealed sound comment is my opinion and others may disagree but look at a few other members that just switched over to ( PSA ) sealed and they all commented that it produces a different sound. You have had both sealed and vented/ported and I think you said you preferred the vented sound?



Please don't let my comments or any other members comments make up your mind. I know when another member upgrades and gives their review that it gets all of us thinking that we need more but ONLY you know what you need and if you're hitting your current sub-limits. I hope my rambling makes sense and helps.


Hi Mike, thanks for your comments. Those are the exact thoughts going through my mind. I have not done any measurements to confirm whether I am utilizing the capabilities of the V1801s but if I had to guess, I don’t think I am. Dual V3601 would be sweet but harder to accommodate. Plus I would be looking somewhere along another $2k or slightly more to upgrade and I don’t think the difference in performance would justify to pay that much of a difference. It was just something I wondered. I listen fairly loud at -10db and suns running about 4-5db hot on trim levels and gain at about 1pm.


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Hi Mike, thanks for your comments. Those are the exact thoughts going through my mind. I have not done any measurements to confirm whether I am utilizing the capabilities of the V1801s but if I had to guess, I don’t think I am. Dual V3601 would be sweet but harder to accommodate. Plus I would be looking somewhere along another $2k or slightly more to upgrade and I don’t think the difference in performance would justify to pay that much of a difference. It was just something I wondered. I listen fairly loud at -10db and suns running about 4-5db hot on trim levels and gain at about 1pm.


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Do you have a Mic? At -10MV with the subs 4-5db hot you are asking the subs to hit 110db but if you are redirecting bass from other channels you are now putting added stress on your subs. Every movie is mixed different some filtered at 30hz, some have extension into the single digits, and some movies are mixed hot in a certain frequency range. Jeff has posted his REW sweeps of his dual V1800'S when he had them and the V1801'S have 2-3db's more output below 25hz. I believe Jeff's room is larger than yours so if your subs are properly placed, to be honest, I think you're set with what you have. If you did want to upgrade and the V3601's were too big placement wise then I would really lean towards the S3601 if you like sealed. I get the feeling you really like and want the V3601'S though. Whats the old saying? You only live once
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Now for part two, Dual s3601 vs dual SB16 Ultras.

I took the s3601s on a little road trip down to my brother’s house who also has dual SB16 Ultras for some more testing and a shootout against the SVS. This space is acoustically untreated and smaller in comparison to mines

All settings and equipment were similar to what was used in “PSA s3601 Testing – Part1”. Only different were the fronts, which were paradigm Signature series speakers.

As far as music listening goes, again there was a clear and distinct difference, the S3601s were simply more powerful, with its rich enveloping sound. In my opinion, it handled that upper bass way better as well with its clear precise reproduction. The SVS did not fare as badly as the Sub 2, but it still lagged behind.

As far as movies, man oh man, the gap widened significantly. We ran the same test scenes which were “13 Hours The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi - Take out that Tactical!” and “The Martian – Deceleration”. Whiles the SVS did not disappoint, it was simply outgunned.

We had to crank up the volume way higher when the SVS were hooked up to see if it would close the gap “-22 for PSA, -15 for SVS”, but it still was not enough, this eventually ended up landing us in trouble.

We accidentally forgot the volume was cranked up higher for the SVS, hooked up the S3601s, pressed play, which almost lead to us destroying the house and our eardrums along with it, I literally almost soiled my pants! However, I am grateful that the ringing in my ears eventually went away after 20 minutes or so 

We also did some listening without the Anti-Mode connected, and it seems that the Sub sounded even better “Maybe the anthem gave us all that we needed and the anti-mode were not required in this case?” The quality amp on the S3601 may also have a play here as well along with room characteristics. I'll run the test in my space without the Anti-Mode to see if I get similar results.

The S3601s are simple an impressive piece of hardware, and its price point coupled with its longer than usual warranty, its really doing my head in, its not computing! but it is what it is, we had another independent listener come over as well to give his opinions, everyone was thoroughly impressed

At the end of the testing, the results are my brother telling me to come back in a months’ time to collect my subs, whiles he tries to sell the SVS and buy a pair of S3601s.
Awesome review and welcome to the PSA family.
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If I was in your position, I'd consider two smaller subs (V1801s), nothing wrong with laying a V36 on it's side behind the MLP but if that's the only way you can have it fit I think you would be short changing yourself. I highly reco going with a single V1801 behind your MLP for now and when possible go with another upfront or side wall placement. Two subs will give you the enveloping bass and a much smoother response at the LP. One big sub behind you will get very localized and I don't think you'll ever get all the performance out of it that's it's capable of.

I was extremely happy with dual V1800s in my place and when properly placed I was reference capable to 17Hz in my 26-2700^3 room. This was with just two of the older 18" 1800 series drivers and when pushed hard I never heard any chuffing or bottoming out with these drivers and box...Both subs were not NF but rather 13-14' from the MLP and I was still able to enjoy the full enveloping sound they were capable of producing.

I then went with the V1801s with the new drivers, the sound compared to the 00 driver was very similar, the exception being there was more authority down low below 30Hz and the new drivers just felt like they had a bit more weight to the sound keeping true to the PSA signature sound. I'm just trying to share my experience with the single driver ported 18" subs. I don't know your listening habits, I believe you would be very happy with the V1801(s). My rule of thumb is always buy one of something that you plan on getting a second of.

If you have no intention of getting dual subs then I would say go for the V36, but being in this hobby for a long time I doubt you will stop at one subwoofer, just trying to help you make the choice that you won't regret. I have the S3601s now and I'm very happy with these, but I still think of the three V01s they replaced, those subs are that good. Here's a compression sweep of the dual V1800s in my room, sorry guys for still posting this old measurement, I just wanted to share this with Drock so he could see what two V1800s (old driver) could do in my room.




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Do you have a Mic? At -10MV with the subs 4-5db hot you are asking the subs to hit 110db but if you are redirecting bass from other channels you are now putting added stress on your subs. Every movie is mixed different some filtered at 30hz, some have extension into the single digits, and some movies are mixed hot in a certain frequency range. Jeff has posted his REW sweeps of his dual V1800'S when he had them and the V1801'S have 2-3db's more output below 25hz. I believe Jeff's room is larger than yours so if your subs are properly placed, to be honest, I think you're set with what you have. If you did want to upgrade and the V3601's were too big placement wise then I would really lean towards the S3601 if you like sealed. I get the feeling you really like and want the V3601'S though. Whats the old saying? You only live once


True on the last statement and yes I have REW and UMIK. Given the added dollars I am now thinking of just sticking with what I have. Is just too much money in my mind now for the incremental benefit I would get. I am thinking about may be chopping off the ends of the shelf in front of room and move the subs up against front wall with the MTM 210s sitting on top of it. See pic attached. By the way I only compared one Cap 1400 to one submersive to one V1801.



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True on the last statement and yes I have REW and UMIK. Given the added dollars I am now thinking of just sticking with what I have. Is just too much money in my mind now for the incremental benefit I would get. I am thinking about may be chopping off the ends of the shelf in front of room and move the subs up against front wall with the MTM 210s sitting on top of it. See pic attached. By the way I only compared one Cap 1400 to one submersive to one V1801.



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Nice room and it looks comfy. How far are the subs from the 1st row? It looks close in the pics and from those pics I think you are set. If it was me and if I wanted more I would run quad V1801's 2 in the front and 2 in the rear but now you are back to spending 2K+ more. Once I added a sub to the back of the room and experience that wrap around bass effect I can't go back to just having subs in the front of the room. In all reality I think you are set with what you have, those V1801 look close to the MLP and I bet they have more than enough output.
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Just placed my order for the V3601. To say I'm excited is a little bit of an understatement!!!

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Just placed my order for the V3601. To say I'm excited is a little bit of an understatement!!!???????
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Nice room and it looks comfy. How far are the subs from the 1st row? It looks close in the pics and from those pics I think you are set. If it was me and if I wanted more I would run quad V1801's 2 in the front and 2 in the rear but now you are back to spending 2K+ more. Once I added a sub to the back of the room and experience that wrap around bass effect I can't go back to just having subs in the front of the room. In all reality I think you are set with what you have, those V1801 look close to the MLP and I bet they have more than enough output.


Yeah Mike. Very comfy indeed. The subs are about 6 feet away with my seat being dead in center. As I said I am thinking of cutting the shelf they are sitting against to have them sit against the front wall. They will them be about 8 feet from MLP and the speakers will sit on top of them. Not sure if that will make it sound better or not. I agree with you that they certainly don’t give me any indication of stressing out.


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Just placed my order for the V3601. To say I'm excited is a little bit of an understatement!!!
Nice!

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I still have to replace a loose doorknob and need to work on tightening up the oven and fireplace. Pretty much anything made of sheet metal is going to start vibrating when you watch a movie. The V3601 is also good for checking that your drywall and windows are nice and secure.
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I had a feeling you were headed towards the V3601. Understandable, it's a hard sub to resist. Congratulations.... I look forward to reading your impressions of it.
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Hehehehee....The Forums strike again!! But we are actually 100% right 50% of the time and even less so on the first month of an even year!!

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But in all honesty , the excitement level of a v3601 has gotta be great...It's size is just like "In getting something totally stupid sized and wooohooo"

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Congrats! Very good choice indeed


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I had a feeling you were headed towards the V3601. Understandable, it's a hard sub to resist. Congratulations.... I look forward to reading your impressions of it.
It was all in how you described it!
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Guys, another movie to add to your list is Geostorm. Awesome bass scenes which are all in the sweet spot of the PSA subs and they more than deliver.


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Guys, another movie to add to your list is Geostorm. Awesome bass scenes which are all in the sweet spot of the PSA subs and they more than deliver.


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Sweet write up! Thanks for that. Do you have any impressions to give running just a single S3601?
Thanks Butie

This one was interesting,

So tonight, I finally got my subs back from my brother’s house. Put them in place, connected everything and decided to listen to a track, to make sure everything still works whiles the impressions were still fresh in my head from the demos done the previous day in my space.

I selected Smooth Criminal by Michael Jackson, volume on -17, everything still works and sounded great. Felt that punchiness in my chest, and that rich enveloping sensation. Of the sound all around you, the precision and sound quality was exactly how I remembered it.

I decided to go up close to the subs to attempt a recording of the drivers moving, and noticed I only felt shock waves blasting me to my left side only. I glanced across to the sub to my right, saw the green light was on, I looked a bit closer, there was the dam RCA sub cable dangling in the wind!

Connecting it and rerunning the same track was like going from a Cat2 to a Cat5 hurricane, a hold lot of awesomeness. So yeah, if I did not go up close to record that video, I never would have noticed the second sub was not playing!, and I never would have missed it either, I might have gone all year just like that, thinking my dual S3601s are awesome, when in fact its only one playing!

Here’s the thing though, that worked out in my room, but I did do the same test at my brothers place where we played only one S3601, the losses were more pronounced, the punchiness and hair raising bass waves were reduced. The quality of the sound was the same, but there was clearly something missing after experiencing both S3601s playing in his space.

The room characteristic has a big part to play I would say, my brothers room is more open, there is only one wall forming a corner to the right. The next closes wall to the left was all the way to the kitchen.

So we are assuming there was too much bass bleed or something, and his space was not being pressurized properly with a single S3601. In this case, a single S3601 gave similar sound and pressurization performance as dual SB16 Ultras.
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Congratulations dude! Just make sure you have help when it arrives. The dolly only goes so far.

Try to come up with creative lies for your neighbors when they tell you they've never heard of a "PSA refrigerator" or "PSA oven". Hopefully they won't connect the dots when they start feeling that 16hz rumble.

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