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I agree but for me I love the sealed dual driver design and size was factor in what I was buying. The s3000i model is perfect for me which is why I pulled the trigger on two of them. If the s3000i wasn't offered I would have been forced to go with a sealed single driver sub.
Like the Soul Train word scramble for subs..lol.... V1500 vs V1801 vs S3601 vs S3000i ..... I kinda like subs...
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Here is my music from tonight! It’s cool because I find my kids sitting down and listening to music with me as they get older, They are picking up on some of my habits and seeming to enjoy themselves. My one son likes to listen past reference volume and the one day I came inside from mowing the lawn, and I thought I could feel the bass in the backyard, and a little **** has it up to +3 listening to Rihanna!! One things for sure, they will be spoiled with my stereo And I hope that they develop a passion
That's exactly how things have gone in my family. Since I started down this road my kids have really grown to love the speakers and the subs and have very high expectations when it comes to the sound of music and movies. My oldest runs down stairs when she hears me start to listen to music so she can just sit next to me and chill out to classic rock being played on the PSA speakers and subs. It's gotten to be a special time for us and since she's leaving for college next Fall I'm being sure to cherish these moments. This is a hobby for the whole family.
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I agree but for me I love the sealed dual driver design and size was factor in what I was buying. The s3000i model is perfect for me which is why I pulled the trigger on two of them. If the s3000i wasn't offered I would have been forced to go with a sealed single driver sub.
My "home theater" is in my living room and the s3000i was the biggest I could get away with. The dual 18's
(3601?) was taller than my window sill so I went with the biggest one that my wife wouldn't fuss about. I hope to get a second one later. The other thing I like about the s3000i is the nice grills on it. My previous sub had a screen on the front that my 2 year old daughter liked to touch. It also had a rounded metal grill that I didn't like but kept on so the kids wouldn't have a free shot at the driver.
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Which way does this go?

I have the 110c, and I know I can have it sideways or standing, but what I don't know is which would be the proper way, due to the wave guide. It might be a stupid question but idk.

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I agree but for me I love the sealed dual driver design and size was factor in what I was buying. The s3000i model is perfect for me which is why I pulled the trigger on two of them. If the s3000i wasn't offered I would have been forced to go with a sealed single driver sub.
You guys gotta stop it! I'm trying to hold off getting another S3000i as many who've come over my house after listening to movies with the one I have look up and around and ask me, "Are you sure your house can take it?"
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I have the 110c, and I know I can have it sideways or standing, but what I don't know is which would be the proper way, due to the wave guide. It might be a stupid question but idk.

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If you have the 110c then it is supposed to go on its side. If you want to stand it up like a normal 110 then you must rotate the horn.
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You guys gotta stop it! I'm trying to hold off getting another S3000i as many who've come over my house after listening to movies with the one I have look up and around and ask me, "Are you sure your house can take it?"
If my house can handle the 2 S3601's and the S3000i , yours will be fine
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You guys gotta stop it! I'm trying to hold off getting another S3000i as many who've come over my house after listening to movies with the one I have look up and around and ask me, "Are you sure your house can take it?"



I know proper placement can minimize localization but when you get two the whole room gets enveloped with bass! I know it's easier said than done but YOU HAVE TO GET TWO!!!!!
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I have the 110c, and I know I can have it sideways or standing, but what I don't know is which would be the proper way, due to the wave guide. It might be a stupid question but idk.

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If you have the 110c then it is supposed to go on its side. If you want to stand it up like a normal 110 then you must rotate the horn.
Thanks!
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Video loading to YouTube. Holy crap! Felt like my condo was going to implode lol
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Just played this with my dual XS30s. To whom shall I send the drywall repair bill?



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It's no joke! I'm just glad I played it through YouTube on my Sony x800 player and not my roku ultra. I have dynamic eq and dynamic volume disabled on the x800 but enabled on my roku.
I totally forgot about that the rest of the night streaming Pandora through the roku lol! In my drunken stupor it still sounded great
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It's no joke! I'm just glad I played it through YouTube on my Sony x800 player and not my roku ultra. I have dynamic eq and dynamic volume disabled on the x800 but enabled on my roku.
I totally forgot about that the rest of the night streaming Pandora through the roku lol! In my drunken stupor it still sounded great


The second bass note on white clouds decaf base boosted is still The loudest note you’ll probably ever play on your system. I think this is the kind of note it were a ported sub destroys a sealed sub. It’s so loud that my entire deck outside Makes a giant sine wave


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The second bass note on white clouds decaf base boosted is still The loudest note you’ll probably ever play on your system. I think this is the kind of note it were a ported sub destroys a sealed sub. It’s so loud that my entire deck outside Makes a giant sine wave


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I am still extremely anxious to compare the two. Unfortunately my concrete floors won’t allow for the benefits of a sealed enclosure


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The second bass note on white clouds decaf base boosted is still The loudest note you’ll probably ever play on your system. I think this is the kind of note it were a ported sub destroys a sealed sub. It’s so loud that my entire deck outside Makes a giant sine wave


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I will def have to check that out!
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I have the 110c, and I know I can have it sideways or standing, but what I don't know is which would be the proper way, due to the wave guide. It might be a stupid question but idk.

Here's some pics....
There's no stupid questions or answers here my friend, the 110 C and 110 are the exact same speakers down to the drivers, box and crossover. Ideally (IMO) a vertical orientation is best with the WG as close as you can get it to the level of your mains, angling upwards if you can will help. If you look at the throat of the guide you'll notice it's taller than it is wide, you want it that way for either horizontal or vertical orientation, always longer facing up and down. If you bought it as a center 110 the WG is as it should be for horizontal placement, if you want to use as a vertical CC just rotate the WG a 1/4 turn in either direction and it will look like your regular main 110s if you have them........
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I never knew the S3601 output numbers are only slightly lower than the old T18HT flagship.
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I never knew the S3601 output numbers are only slightly lower than the old T18HT flagship.


Does a v3601 =2 t18 down low?


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According to PSA's website if you're looking at 16-25hz then the answer is yes. Looks like from 30 to 60hz they're about the same above 60hz the T18 pulls away.
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That's to be expected when comparing sealed vs ported though, ported are just sealed subwoofer eating monsters at port tune. Just let this sink in, at 20hz the SB16 Ultra loses even to the old PB12-NSD. The PB12-NSD is essentially 4 product lines below the SB16 Ultra.

NSD---->2000---->Plus---->4000---->16 Ultra
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Just got around to watching LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring for the first time....ever. Yeah, I'm late to the party. I'm only an hour in as it's time for bed, but so far this movie has some incredible bass. A great sine wave at the beginning with a mass explosion that wiped out the planet. With my 15V I ran Audyssey which came back at -6db, a little higher than I would like, but I didn't want to calibrate again. I then went up 8db on the sub amp itself, then 2db on the AVR trim to bring it to a total of 10db hot. This is without DEQ.

For most of the movie so far the bass was just great. There were, however, a few scenes where the sub had to work really hard with a lot of port noise, granted only for 4-5 seconds, but pretty distracting. I even lowered the trim to -11db with this scene to see what happened, which would bring my total "hotness" of sub at 3db. At master volume -14db, you could still hear some vent noise, but on a much smaller scale. My guess is the scene I'm referring to is around the 15Vs port tune, because as I said, in the majority of the movie I've had no complaints...which brings me to my next thought...

I keep reading on these sealed subs...people just seem to love them! The S3000i looks really intriguing and I like the idea of eliminating port noise all together. If that s3000i can give me the bass I experience now with my 15V, this is a very tempting trial for me. Because of the way our basement is set up right now, I can only do a single sub at the moment, but I know with some saving of money and time I could purchase a second down the road. Would I really be giving up much of the lower bass with the S3000i?
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how do you get sub/port noise at -14mv? I would be examining why this is as I would not like any sub that gave me noise at 0mv. I am guessing something is off if have sub issues at -14

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how do you get sub/port noise at -14mv? I would be examining why this is as I would not like any sub that gave me noise at 0mv. I am guessing something is off if have sub issues at -14
I don't know, but I do. It's not the "chuffing" stuff that people have been going on and on about...it's just the noise you hear from the air leaving the port. This is probably the loudest I've heard it work before. I could try not increasing the sub gain 8db after audyssey and see if that changes anything. But like I said, I went back and decreased the AVR trim by 5db, so that created a net of plus 3db overall, but still could hear some slight noise. Is it possible for a deep bass scene around port tune to create port noise even at -14db with a sub gain of 3db?

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I dont like boosting avr trim but have no issues boosting sub gain on sub itself. maybe that will help.


my subs are boosted by sub amp gains at around 2 to 3 oclock...my avr trims are -6 from an initial audyssey of -11

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I dont like boosting avr trim but have no issues boosting sub gain on sub itself. maybe that will help.
Well that's what created the problem. Audyssey gave a trim of -6db. I left that alone and instead went on the amp gain and increased by 8db. When playing at MV -14 port noise was quite loud. I felt just massive amounts of air leaving the port. I'm wondering if decreasing the amp gain would help this issue and instead maybe do 4db on the amp gain, and then 4db on the AVR. But first, I need to get in the -10db range after audyssey to do that.

After increasing by 8db on the amp gain I'm still only at 2pm on the dial, so seems the 15V has plenty left in the tank. Anyone else have ideas?

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I dont like boosting avr trim but have no issues boosting sub gain on sub itself. maybe that will help.


my subs are boosted by sub amp gains at around 2 to 3 oclock...my avr trims are -6 from an initial audyssey of -11
So how much db gain do you get going from 2 to 3pm?

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when at 0mv my subs play around 127db which is 12 db over reference...my avr trim is boosted about 5db so my subs about 7db...thats my in room data with 2 subs. i forget what rythmik says the right answer is per click...its all relative to room imo and my room is more like a floor at 20k cuft.


think all agree that the audyssey sets the spl levels around 75db for speakers and 115db for subs when volume at 0 on avr

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There's no stupid questions or answers here my friend, the 110 C and 110 are the exact same speakers down to the drivers, box and crossover. Ideally (IMO) a vertical orientation is best with the WG as close as you can get it to the level of your mains, angling upwards if you can will help. If you look at the throat of the guide you'll notice it's taller than it is wide, you want it that way for either horizontal or vertical orientation, always longer facing up and down. If you bought it as a center 110 the WG is as it should be for horizontal placement, if you want to use as a vertical CC just rotate the WG a 1/4 turn in either direction and it will look like your regular main 110s if you have them........
If the guide is taller than wide does that mean it has a wider dispersion vertically? The reason I ask is one of my rear 110s is high on a bookshelf and distant from the MLP. It is not the 'C' model but is on its side because it is near the ceiling and it fits that way. I left the wave guide as it was because I assumed I needed more vertical dispersion due to the distance and height from the MLP. I assumed the wave guide in standard use was oriented for wide dispersion. Did I assume wrong?

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I don't know, but I do. It's not the "chuffing" stuff that people have been going on and on about...it's just the noise you hear from the air leaving the port. This is probably the loudest I've heard it work before. I could try not increasing the sub gain 8db after audyssey and see if that changes anything. But like I said, I went back and decreased the AVR trim by 5db, so that created a net of plus 3db overall, but still could hear some slight noise. Is it possible for a deep bass scene around port tune to create port noise even at -14db with a sub gain of 3db?
You just don't have enough sub for your listening preferences and room size. Unless you turn the bass levels down much lower than where you like them, it sounds like you are going to hear vent noise on demanding scenes at or below port tune. How big is your room?

As far as whether or not the S3000i will satisfy you or not, it depends. Sealed subs are less tactile down low even if they are able to produce the same SPL, but, where the 15V starts rolling off, the S3000i should remain much flatter down low below a certain frequency if you have enough room gain. There's a good chance that, depending on your room size, dual S3000i(your long term goal), may provide you with enough clean output capability to be flat down to 10Hz or lower without compression. If this is the case, I think it would overall be a very good upgrade from the single 15V.

If it were me, I'd order up an S3000i, take advantage of the in home trial and see if it comes close to meeting your needs as far as output and low frequency movie performance. If it performs better for you than the 15V, your all set. If not, you might have to pay a little to ship it back. If it leaves you wanting, you know its time to save for a V3601.
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post
Just got around to watching LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring for the first time....ever. Yeah, I'm late to the party. I'm only an hour in as it's time for bed, but so far this movie has some incredible bass. A great sine wave at the beginning with a mass explosion that wiped out the planet. With my 15V I ran Audyssey which came back at -6db, a little higher than I would like, but I didn't want to calibrate again. I then went up 8db on the sub amp itself, then 2db on the AVR trim to bring it to a total of 10db hot. This is without DEQ.

For most of the movie so far the bass was just great. There were, however, a few scenes where the sub had to work really hard with a lot of port noise, granted only for 4-5 seconds, but pretty distracting. I even lowered the trim to -11db with this scene to see what happened, which would bring my total "hotness" of sub at 3db. At master volume -14db, you could still hear some vent noise, but on a much smaller scale. My guess is the scene I'm referring to is around the 15Vs port tune, because as I said, in the majority of the movie I've had no complaints...which brings me to my next thought...

I keep reading on these sealed subs...people just seem to love them! The S3000i looks really intriguing and I like the idea of eliminating port noise all together. If that s3000i can give me the bass I experience now with my 15V, this is a very tempting trial for me. Because of the way our basement is set up right now, I can only do a single sub at the moment, but I know with some saving of money and time I could purchase a second down the road. Would I really be giving up much of the lower bass with the S3000i?

I'm not nearly as technical as the people on this board so I did not want to have to deal with port noise or anything of that nature. I know if I did have to deal with it I'd probably still be bugging the crap out of the people of this board to find out how to mitigate the issue.


As for as the s3000i subwoofer I will say this: I think any concerns with performance gets rectified with the amount of power Tom has included with this model, 1700W RMS (4300W PEAK), and that EVERY company that produces subwoofers should have a sealed opposing dual driver design sub in their portfolio! I think it's brilliant and you could not ask for a more solid performer across both movies and music.
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