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Thank you Ahblaza, that was very helpful. I obviously need to get back to reading the REW guide.



2 things tho.



1. What is HDMI 4?

2. When I got to the -5db sweep, I got the "clipping or distorted detected" error message. Prior to that tho the sweep were increasing by 5db as you said.



I've also never played anything passed -10db so that was intense!!


Geo, in REW when using ASIO driver you select HDMI4 to run subs only. This input runs 10db higher. Also you will need to adjust the gain setting on the UMIK to be able to read higher. If yuh browse through this thread and search for UMIK clipping you will find where Jeffrey had explained how to change the gain setting on the UMIK.


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I've never used ASIO driver, just Java. And I barely got to 108db @63hz (that's my highest peak for -5db sweep). The Umik should be able to go much higher than that no? Also I tried choosing ASIO and all options are blank, can't choose anything on any of the selection options for all of them.
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I've never used ASIO driver, just Java. And I barely got to 108db @63hz (that's my highest peak for -5db sweep). The Umik should be able to go much higher than that no? Also I tried choosing ASIO and all options are blank, can't choose anything on any of the selection options for all of them.


Did you follow the REW guide instructions on how to install the ASIO driver?


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The port and driver facing you will likely contribute more to the tactile sensation.


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I was wondering if the port location like on the V15 over the driver or in the case of the V18 under the driver would make a big difference when it comes to the tactile sensation.
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I was wondering if the port location like on the V15 over the driver or in the case of the V18 under the driver would make a big difference when it comes to the tactile sensation.


I would not think it would be anything audible. There could be some impacts for more TR when port is closer to floor especially when suspended but I doubt it would be something very noticeable


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I have a question for v18 owners.

I've never pushed my v1801 on music. Generally I don't like to push my subs much as I've always taken great care of my stuff, no matter cheap or expensive. Well the other night I got curious and was wondering how much can the v18 take before you should start letting off, and safely from any damage or wear on its full life. I've mentioned my last system lasted me 10 years, and that's how I accomplished it, by never really pushing it.

So I went on YouTube and played Bass I Love You since I've seen it here mentioned before. But while I was playing it, the driver was barely moving, most likely due to me taking it easy on the MV and sub trim. But I've seen videos of others playing that same song and the drivers are moving alot!

So my question is, at what MV, gain, and sub trim is the loudest you would feel comfortable playing that song on your v18 without affecting it's long term life? And is there any other song and settings you'd recommend?
THE SHEER MUSICALITY OF THE V1801

Hi Geo, playing music through youtube through my receiver believe it or not is completely new to me. After reading your post about music I did some research and found that if you do play music through youtube I need to play the best quality you can with the least compression. So if you will send me a link of the I Love Bass video I'll play it through my receiver as there are so many I Love Bass videos I don't know which one you picked. You will be educating me in playing youtube videos for music.

Now playing music by needle dropping an album or a music cd that's something I do know about. You can turn your v1801's up as loud as you want and they will not cuff! In fact the maximum headroom when playing an album on a turntable or a cd via a cd player through your simple stereo setting to me is unattainable because someone or one of your neighbors will call the police first! This is where the psa v1801 to me shines and blows the competition away. It's the headroom. The clarity of sound at such high levels... Of course you don't want to turn up your gain and volume to damage your speakers either! It sounds like you've never turned those babies up! Go ahead and crank em! That's what their made for!

But if the quality of the movie track is such that it was made or should I say recorded to make a cuffing sound when Godzilla roars, then that's what you get. Cause the v1801 will effortlessly reproduce what it is given.

I could be wrong but the quality of recorded sound that comes from an album/vinyl and cd recording is a far better quality of recording than the latest Godzilla movie on cd or youtube video. Was the I Love Bass video recorded under such strenuous conditions as a live recording session? Maybe not.

For example, if you take a remastered cd or album/vinyl of the LIVE STUDIO ALBUM Kind Of Blue by Miles Davis and recorded in a live studio session with the high quality studio room acoustics, high quality mics, high quality magnetic tape, high quality recording gear and expert placement of said musicians in relation to their mics with Gill Evans master engineer doing the recording you get a far greater sound and depth of sound. You can hear the clearity in the snap and timbre of the snare drum and other instruments that will make you stop what you're doing - and just listen.

Geo, I hope you understand but I really don't know how to explain it. You just have to hear it for yourself. I think SuperFist knows what I'm talking about. Maybe someone else can help me explain here too.

And that's what I like about the v1801's. It's the musicality of this beast. Sure it can do a mean bass slamming movie or youtube video, but it can also reproduce some of the loveliest and most delicate recorded sound with a drop dead quiet background, imaging and soundstage that will make you want reach out and touch - the instruments as they as being played. To me that's the measure and mark of a true audiophile hi-fidelity speaker. How it plays music. Everything else, is icing on the cake!
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And that's what I like about the v1801's. It's the musicality of this beast. Sure it can do a mean bass slamming movie or youtube video, but it can also reproduce some of the loveliest and most delicate recorded sound with a drop dead quiet background, imaging and soundstage that will make you want reach out and touch - the instruments as they as being played. To me that's the measure and mark of a true audiophile hi-fidelity speaker. How it plays music. Everything else, is icing on the cake!
Well said. I like the way you worded this last sentence. I find the same thing with my V3601s... they can bring the hammer when asked or they can be delicate. It all depends on what you feed them.

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Technically the s3000 will allow you to better reproduce the sound of a bass trombone....


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Thank you Ahblaza, that was very helpful. I obviously need to get back to reading the REW guide.

2 things tho.

1. What is HDMI 4?
2. When I got to the -5db sweep, I got the "clipping or distorted detected" error message. Prior to that tho the sweep were increasing by 5db as you said.

I've also never played anything passed -10db so that was intense!!

Edit: What's the total time I should be using to run my sweeps? I've always used 21.8s. With the level dbfs at -12.
Hey GJG, your mic is clipping, very usual at about 108dB with a 18dB gain structure, I'll get into that later. Have you read the REW quide linked in my sig with using the ASIO driver and HDMI, much more convenient and makes everything much more easy to do. Can you post the graph of the sweeps you did take and I'll be able to tell what's happening as far as your subs SPL output levels. how to post graphs is in the guide as well....
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I just watched escape plan (2013) before watching escape plan 2. Definitely mixed real nice with awesome gun shots and explosions. Movie is ok but the sound is pretty awesome.


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Thank you Ahblaza, that was very helpful. I obviously need to get back to reading the REW guide.

2 things tho.

1. What is HDMI 4?
2. When I got to the -5db sweep, I got the "clipping or distorted detected" error message. Prior to that tho the sweep were increasing by 5db as you said.

I've also never played anything passed -10db so that was intense!!

Edit: What's the total time I should be using to run my sweeps? I've always used 21.8s. With the level dbfs at -12.
Hey GJG, your mic is clipping, very usual at about 108dB with a 18dB gain structure, I'll get into that later. Have you read the REW quide linked in my sig with using the ASIO driver and HDMI, much more convenient and makes everything much more easy to do. Can you post the graph of the sweeps you did take and I'll be able to tell what's happening as far as your subs SPL output levels. how to post graphs is in the guide as well....
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How do you guys think the S3611 would fair against the JTR Captivator S2? The cost difference is pretty staggering, why do they JTR's cost so much more?

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I need to stay off this thread. I want to try an S3000i so bad. I promised my son I'd buy him a bass trombone though so hearing of deals is just torture.

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I was actually laughing out loud picturing one of us buying a subwoofer instead of our kid’s musical instrument that was promised and trying to explain to the child how great a it can sound on a high end system with terrific bass.

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How do you guys think the S3611 would fair against the JTR Captivator S2? The cost difference is pretty staggering, why do they JTR's cost so much more?

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You already ordered S3611s right? I suspect the S3611s will provide you more headroom than you will ever need (otherwise you would have ordered S7201s right?). At some point. extra headroom doesn't mean anything if it will never be utilized.

You get great value for your dollar from both PSA & JTR. The JTR sealed subs (S1/S2) give you much more output per ft³ vs PSA.
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You already ordered S3611s right? I suspect the S3611s will provide you more headroom than you will ever need (otherwise you would have ordered S7201s right?). At some point. extra headroom doesn't mean anything if it will never be utilized.

You get great value for your dollar from both PSA & JTR. The JTR sealed subs (S1/S2) give you much more output per ft³ vs PSA.
It's not a headroom thing I am worried about. It's a placement thing. The S3611 is going to be a very tight fit and I have to put it sideways (longways, woofer facing wall and forward) to get it to fit where I want. The S1 is a lot smaller sub at only 18 inches deep. Just making sure I did the right thing. I have like 4-6 weeks until the subs arrive minimum as well.

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It's not a headroom thing I am worried about. It's a placement thing. The S3611 is going to be a very tight fit and I have to put it sideways (longways, woofer facing wall and forward) to get it to fit where I want. The S1 is a lot smaller sub at only 18 inches deep. Just making sure I did the right thing. I have like 4-6 weeks until the subs arrive minimum as well.

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The S3000i/S3010 would be very similar to the s1 in output capabilities with not much difference in cabinet size. IIRC the S3000i/S3010 is about 2 inch wider and 1 inch taller?

You can look at our old xs15se(older 15" driver tech, small 500w amp)...it's only about 6.5dB below the s1 averaged from 15-100hz(even assuming best case that the s1 is down only(and exactly) 5dB at every frequency to the s2. So dual xs15se would be very similar.

The S3611 is pretty much 2-4dB up over the S3000i across the entire operating bandwidth. With our sealed subs it's close to a 3:2 ratio with each step larger in terms of max output. It takes three S1510 to match dual S1810. It takes three S1810 to match dual S3010, it takes three S3010 to match dual S3610.

We don't really have a high output (dual driver) front firing form factor in the product lineup. If that works better into anyone's room decor the newer rythmik fv25 seems impossible to beat at $2500(?) shipped. Has a nice form factor, tons of setup flexibility, great customer service, and pretty much matches the s2($3500?) in output whether you look at short term bursts or long term sweeps.

EDIT---I should have known better to make a quick post closing in on midnight at the office on a sunday..

Anyway, I was referring to a dual front firing SEALED product in our lineup. Obviously we have the vented V3601. But then I made the mistake of using the rythmik fv25 as a reference point and that's vented...I should have went home at 11pm. Anyway, the better product to use from rythmik would be the big f25---dual 15s, sealed, front firing. You're within 1-1.5dB(?) max output to the s1, a much different distortion profile(not saying better, just very different), most would argue much better fit and finish, tons of setup flexibility, great customer support, and $1600 versus $2600(s1). The depth and width are about the same, the rythmik is 10-12 inch taller.

So for the OP who's looking for front firing, sealed, high output----I should have used the f25 as my reference, not the fv25.

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The S3000i/S3010 would be very similar to the s1 in output capabilities with not much difference in cabinet size. IIRC the S3000i/S3010 is about 2 inch wider and 1 inch taller?

You can look at our old xs15se(older 15" driver tech, small 500w amp)...it's only about 6.5dB below the s1 averaged from 15-100hz(even assuming best case that the s1 is down only(and exactly) 5dB at every frequency to the s2. So dual xs15se would be very similar.

The S3611 is pretty much 2-4dB up over the S3000i across the entire operating bandwidth. With our sealed subs it's close to a 3:2 ratio with each step larger in terms of max output. It takes three S1510 to match dual S1810. It takes three S1810 to match dual S3010, it takes three S3010 to match dual S3610.

We don't really have a high output (dual driver) front firing form factor in the product lineup. If that works better into anyone's room decor the newer rythmik fv25 seems impossible to beat at $2500(?) shipped. Has a nice form factor, tons of setup flexibility, great customer service, and pretty much matches the s2($3500?) in output whether you look at short term bursts or long term sweeps.

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I actually have 2 S3611's on order with you right now Tom. Just getting anxious. I will be patient and I hope they fit and work in that orientation. Now I am worried that this might have significantly more output then I am anticipating! I have never heard a PSA subwoofer before. Tom's superior customer service and knowledge really sold me quick.

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I just watched escape plan (2013) before watching escape plan 2. Definitely mixed real nice with awesome gun shots and explosions. Movie is ok but the sound is pretty awesome.
I'm glad you mentioned this as I just watched them both this weekend, back to back. Especially towards the end of the 2nd one, it had some very pleasing LFE and I've been meaning to graph it on The Ultimate List of Bass in Movies thread.

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I actually have 2 S3611's on order with you right now Tom. Just getting anxious. I will be patient and I hope they fit and work in that orientation. Now I am worried that this might have significantly more output then I am anticipating! I have never heard a PSA subwoofer before. Tom's superior customer service and knowledge really sold me quick.
Oh, boy are you in for a treat!

And ironically, your "muscles" will definitely be put to work when you get those dual S3611s!


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In the last few days I contacted everyone who is on the speaker backorder list AND also purchased a subwoofer(or two) with their speaker package. I let them know I was going to upgrade all of their orders to the brand new model/versions of each sub at no cost to them. So a bunch of current models suddenly became available. I believe there were 4 V1500, a few S3000i, a couple 15S, A v3601, A S3601... and maybe a couple I'm forgetting.

Anyway---long story short---All of the V1500s sold immediately, S3601 too. We now have a couple more 15S and S3000i in stock AND one V3601.

So anyone who contacted me in the last 1-2 days(there were several) about V3601 availability we have one. Don't sleep on it.

And, as I mentioned previously, anyone thinking of a 15S or S3000i nows the time for best pricing. Pop into chat, email for quotes.

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Darn it Tom, you know I would have jumped all over that S3601. I must have two!!!!!!!!!
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I actually have 2 S3611's on order with you right now Tom. Just getting anxious. I will be patient and I hope they fit and work in that orientation. Now I am worried that this might have significantly more output then I am anticipating! I have never heard a PSA subwoofer before. Tom's superior customer service and knowledge really sold me quick.

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No worries. One thing I always try to communicate to anyone on a "wait list" is that cancelling the order is really no big deal(as long as we haven't shipped!). It is literally one button click for me so no one should feel like they're horribly inconveniencing me or anything like that.

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Darn it Tom, you know I would have jumped all over that S3601. I must have two!!!!!!!!!
I have four more S3601 cabinets unfinished (raw MDF) that will arrive here at Power Sound in about 2 weeks. If anyone is willing to wait 3-4 weeks for the order to ship just pop into chat/email and we'll make sure you get one of the those. It's going to be 3-4 weeks because we have quite a back order list right now and we will be fulfilling those commitments in the proper order.

Also, might as well list everything we'll be getting in 2 weeks(ish). Once these are gone, I don't expect to have these models available again---except as b-stock from customer trade-in scenarios.

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I have four more S3601 cabinets unfinished (raw MDF) that will arrive here at Power Sound in about 2 weeks. If anyone is willing to wait 3-4 weeks for the order to ship just pop into chat/email and we'll make sure you get one of the those. It's going to be 3-4 weeks because we have quite a back order list right now and we will be fulfilling those commitments in the proper order.

Also, might as well list everything we'll be getting in 2 weeks(ish). Once these are gone, I don't expect to have these models available again---except as b-stock from customer trade-in scenarios.

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Speaking of ship times, Tom, do you know when that S3000i I ordered last Fri. will ship? Not sure if this was one of those you were waiting on parts for or had them pre-made already.

I normally don't ask these kind of things, but I need to plan when I'll be home the day it arrives. Sometimes I have to take the morning or afternoon off depending on FedEx.
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Speaking of ship times, Tom, do you know when that S3000i I ordered last Fri. will ship? Not sure if this was one of those you were waiting on parts for or had them pre-made already.

I normally don't ask these kind of things, but I need to plan when I'll be home the day it arrives. Sometimes I have to take the morning or afternoon off depending on FedEx.
Today, should be 3 days fedex. So first delivery would be Thursday.

I'l have tracking off to you in about an hour.

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Today, should be 3 days fedex. So first delivery would be Thursday.

I'l have tracking off to you in about an hour.

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I really appreciate it, Tom!

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The S3611 is pretty much 2-4dB up over the S3000i across the entire operating bandwidth. With our sealed subs it's close to a 3:2 ratio with each step larger in terms of max output. It takes three S1510 to match dual S1810. It takes three S1810 to match dual S3010, it takes three S3010 to match dual S3610.
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Hi Tom, thanks for the insights.
Interesting info on the max output being aproximately 3:2 ratio for the sealed subwoofers

|---------------S3611---------------|--------------S3611---------------|

|--------S3010---------|--------S3010---------|-------S3010-------|

|----S1811----|----S1811----|----S1811----|

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The first batch of V1811 cabinets are scheduled to arrive here in 2 weeks. Once we get them, barring any unforeseen setbacks, we should have all current orders shipped within 2-3 business days.

So I'd say before end of June for all V1811 orders to date(including yours) and all V1510 orders as well. The following week(first week of July) we get the S1510 and V1510df cabinets. Then the week of 7-9 we get S3611,S3050 and S1811 cabinets.

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Still on track to get the V1510DF cabinets next week? Looking forward to mine
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Still on track to get the V1510DF cabinets next week? Looking forward to mine
The V1501df cabinets will be here on Friday(6-28) +/- one business day. But there's been some changes to the production and assembly procedures. I will post a quick summary here soon.

For your order, I'd guess the 11th +/- 1-2 days(to ship).

EDIT.

Sorry, I made a mistake in the above. The V1510 cabinets will be here on Friday(not the V1510df).

The V1510df cabinets will arrive next week as scheduled. I'm expecting the spray shop to be in "full swing" mode by then...so best guess would be your order shipping about one week after we get the cabinets. So still the same 11th +/- a couple of business days but I wanted to clarify the actual cabinet arrival timing.

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