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David just get a 7201, lay it on it's side behind your MLP and let it handle all the sub 15Hz bass down to single digits with authority, maybe it was my room 2700^3 but the 7201 excelled at gut wrenching SUBterranean bass.
What is driving you to achieve this type of bass in your place, do you fell lacking now with what you have, maybe I missed the reason why you feel the need..............

Here's the 7201 at 110dB at 6 Hz in my place at -9dB MV......clean with more to spare......lots of cabin gain helps.......Just plopped in the left corner, no EQ, sweeps taken at MLP 15' away, stopped at -9dB because mic was starting to clip.......you might want two though.....


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.... or as some of us have said, trade the V subs in for a pair of S3611's, or 2-3 x S3010's - IMHO this beast seems to get overlooked a bit nowadays for the 18" models

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.... or as some of us have said, trade the V subs in for a pair of S3611's, or 2-3 x S3010's - IMHO this beast seems to get overlooked a bit nowadays for the 18" models

@David Charles - Come to the Sealed side! It is your destiny! 😂
I agree he should try the S36s or S30s, they would be almost invisible in his place plus provide the deep bass he's craving and these subs will take his music listening to new levels........................
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.... or as some of us have said, trade the V subs in for a pair of S3611's, or 2-3 x S3010's - IMHO this beast seems to get overlooked a bit nowadays for the 18" models

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I got my subs to give some great chest thump with the song “Mr. Carter” by Lil Wayne. -5mv and subs at 1:00 and -10 trim. Was sounding and feeling like concert thump.

Not a huge rap fan but I came across it on tidal.
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Edit: wow, the song 6 ft 7 foot by lil Wayne started off chill and when the bass hit on my subs, my teeth were literally chattering. I wonder if the sealed subs would sound as good as that... the bass must be around 35 hz. Someone play it and let me know (none of that YouTube streaming crap)

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I got my subs to give some great chest thump with the song “Mr. Carter” by Lil Wayne. -5mv and subs at 1:00 and -10 trim. Was sounding and feeling like concert thump.

Not a huge rap fan but I came across it on tidal.
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Edit: wow, the song 6 ft 7 foot by lil Wayne started off chill and when the bass hit on my subs, my teeth were literally chattering. I wonder if the sealed subs would sound as good as that... the bass must be around 35 hz. Someone play it and let me know (none of that YouTube streaming crap)

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I would have to think in the 30hz to 100hz range that dual S3611's would sound pretty similar (excellent) and have at least as much output as a V1801and V3601
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Here is an odd question-

I have an unusual floor plan.

My tv is in an area with a 20 foot tall peaked ceiling. I am using 2 S3000i currently.

Due to the room layout, they are basically end tables- one on the right of the couch and one on the left of the loveseat.

I don’t have any other spots for them in this area- but I do have a small loft overlooking above.

What would happen if I bought a 3rd S3000 and stuck it up on the loft?

I’d have to use a wireless transmitter, and I guess a Y splitter off the receiver to feed it.


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Here is an odd question-

I have an unusual floor plan.

My tv is in an area with a 20 foot tall peaked ceiling. I am using 2 S3000i currently.

Due to the room layout, they are basically end tables- one on the right of the couch and one on the left of the loveseat.

I don’t have any other spots for them in this area- but I do have a small loft overlooking above.

What would happen if I bought a 3rd S3000 and stuck it up on the loft?

I’d have to use a wireless transmitter, and I guess a Y splitter off the receiver to feed it.


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Placing subs in "available" spots is rarely the best location. My recommendation would be this:


1. Place one sub on your MLP (where you sit) and walk around to the other locations where you have "available" spots. Disconnect the second sub for this. If the sound there is good, then place one sub there.

2. Place the second sub on the couch and walk around to the other locations. For this step, have both subs on. If you get to a spot that doesn't sound as good, then that may be a good spot for the second sub for smoothing.
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Thanks for the response, but that is not what I asked.

I am aware of sub crawl, set up, etc. – but available spots is available spots.

I literally have nowhere else I can put them so they are certainly still better than no subs at all. Again odd room not square and really no walls


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Here is an odd question-

I have an unusual floor plan.

My tv is in an area with a 20 foot tall peaked ceiling. I am using 2 S3000i currently.

Due to the room layout, they are basically end tables- one on the right of the couch and one on the left of the loveseat.

I don’t have any other spots for them in this area- but I do have a small loft overlooking above.

What would happen if I bought a 3rd S3000 and stuck it up on the loft?

I’d have to use a wireless transmitter, and I guess a Y splitter off the receiver to feed it.


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Putting additional sub in loft above is just a waste of subwoofer in my opinion. I mean the sub will be so far away and you probably wouldn't feel the difference when you already have 2 nearfield. It would be best to put that sub on the same floor level as your current subs and maybe on tv wall or something. Again, my opinion. If you want more bass that your current subs are not giving you, you may want to use REW to find better spots. If you are not willing to use REW and want more tactile feel then you need more powerful subs if they are currently maxed out.

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Thanks for the response, but that is not what I asked.

I am aware of sub crawl, set up, etc. – but available spots is available spots.

I literally have nowhere else I can put them so they are certainly still better than no subs at all. Again odd room not square and really no walls


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absolutely as close as you can to your main listening position


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Here is an odd question-

I have an unusual floor plan.

My tv is in an area with a 20 foot tall peaked ceiling. I am using 2 S3000i currently.

Due to the room layout, they are basically end tables- one on the right of the couch and one on the left of the loveseat.

I don’t have any other spots for them in this area- but I do have a small loft overlooking above.

What would happen if I bought a 3rd S3000 and stuck it up on the loft?

I’d have to use a wireless transmitter, and I guess a Y splitter off the receiver to feed it.


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Put one of your subs up there and try it with just that sub running and hear what it sounds like. Even though it will be quite a lot farther from the LP it might make a nice presence, bass voice of god like.

Then turn the other one on and give it a listen, you might be able to tell how it would work with 3 subs.

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Thanks for the response, but that is not what I asked.

I am aware of sub crawl, set up, etc. – but available spots is available spots.

I literally have nowhere else I can put them so they are certainly still better than no subs at all. Again odd room not square and really no walls


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That is exactly what you asked for. I'm not suggesting new locations, I simply stated that you should put the sub at the MLP and walk to the "available" spots in question to see how it sounds. Putting a sub on your couch (MLP) and walking up to the loft will tell you what the sub will sound like from the loft at the MLP. Doing this in conjunction with the other subwoofer turned on will tell you if you are creating a massive null at the MLP as well. The only other way to know how the sub will sound upstairs is to get a wireless adapter and put one there. No one can really tell you if it will sound good or not. Actual listening is just about the only way to go.

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Thanks for the response, but that is not what I asked.

I am aware of sub crawl, set up, etc. – but available spots is available spots.

I literally have nowhere else I can put them so they are certainly still better than no subs at all. Again odd room not square and really no walls


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That is exactly what you asked for. I'm not suggesting new locations, I simply stated that you should put the sub at the MLP and walk to the "available" spots in question to see how it sounds. Putting a sub on your couch (MLP) and walking up to the loft will tell you what the sub will sound like from the loft at the MLP. Doing this in conjunction with the other subwoofer turned on will tell you if you are creating a massive null at the MLP as well. The only other way to know how the sub will sound upstairs is to get a wireless adapter and put one there. No one can really tell you if it will sound good or not. Actual listening is just about the only way to go.
I agree with this. As crazy as it sounds, when I put a sub in each front corner or in the back of my living room I get a huge 7 ft deep null zone through the middle of the room. When I put a sub in the middle of the back of the room and have the two in the front corners the null zone vanishes. One of my Subs I can even change the direction it faces and get a 10 decibel decrease from the right side of the MLP to the left side of the MLP. I never knew how much affect a room has on bass prior to starting down this finally enjoyable rabbit hole. lol
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I agree with this. As crazy as it sounds, when I put a sub in each front corner or in the back of my living room I get a huge 7 ft deep null zone through the middle of the room. When I put a sub in the middle of the back of the room and have the two in the front corners the null zone vanishes. One of my Subs I can even change the direction it faces and get a 10 decibel decrease from the right side of the MLP to the left side of the MLP. I never knew how much affect a room has on bass prior to starting down this finally enjoyable rabbit hole. lol


And not to irritate you more, but if you don’t sit within a foot of that location every time you watch a movie, you can forget about the frequency response with your measuring

edit: I do all my serious movie watching myself anyways because I like to listen to volumes of near reference so I can claim whatever I want to sit :-)

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Thanks for the response, but that is not what I asked.

I am aware of sub crawl, set up, etc. – but available spots is available spots.

I literally have nowhere else I can put them so they are certainly still better than no subs at all. Again odd room not square and really no walls


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One potential issue I see is the loft sub will run out of headroom long before your 2 near field subs. Your 2 nearfield 3000i are producing another +6db of headroom compared to a single, then factor distance losses and you might end up limiting your current pair 6-9db at the MLP if all subs are LEVEL matched. Now you could GAIN match them all but chances are you wont even know the loft subs is on at the MLP... but it could help fill in the bass across other parts of the room. So I guess it all depends on the goals.
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I respect all of the different viewpoints that have been offered on the loft subwoofer, but I think it is too speculative right now to know much. I think that the OP is just going to have to test using a loft sub to determine how much it helps. My own recommendation would be to test one of his existing subs up there before ordering a third one.

I'm guessing that the loft sub may be within about 12' or so of the MLP, and the other two subs are probably between 6' and 8' distant from the MLP. SPL drops by ~3db with each doubling of distance, so I would expect the loft sub to lose a little in that respect, compared to the other two subs. But, based on the OP's description of how his current subs are deployed, they are getting very little boundary gain, and the loft sub may get a good bit more reinforcement from multiple surfaces. So, that could all end-up being a wash with respect to SPL.

I honestly don't know whether this will be a fruitful exercise or not. I agree with Basshead that it depends somewhat on the OP's goals. At a minimum, he may get a better frequency response, which will generate more SPL at some frequencies. I think that he will just have to try it to find out, and I'm sort of interested to learn what he discovers if he does.

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Quick question.

For those with ported subs who turn them on their side, where do you have the port, outside (closest to side wall) or inside (closest to tv)??
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Quick question.

For those with ported subs who turn them on their side, where do you have the port, outside (closest to side wall) or inside (closest to tv)??
Given the wavelengths involved it shouldn't make any practical difference. I would just go with what look sbest/ease of convenience for hookup.

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I agree with this. As crazy as it sounds, when I put a sub in each front corner or in the back of my living room I get a huge 7 ft deep null zone through the middle of the room. When I put a sub in the middle of the back of the room and have the two in the front corners the null zone vanishes. One of my Subs I can even change the direction it faces and get a 10 decibel decrease from the right side of the MLP to the left side of the MLP. I never knew how much affect a room has on bass prior to starting down this finally enjoyable rabbit hole. lol
Yeah, it can be a PITA. I swear, the best overall response I get is in the kitchen pantry or a bathroom on the other side of the house.

A bigass nearfield sub is a good way to brute force good results. The V1500's I have on the front wall are pretty much just for decoration.

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PSA's upgrade policy

Just wondering if PSA has a stated upgrade policy? I thought I read one, but am currently unable to locate.

Can someone point me in the right direction, should an upgrade policy exist?

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Just wondering if PSA has a stated upgrade policy? I thought I read one, but am currently unable to locate.

Can someone point me in the right direction, should an upgrade policy exist?

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Just wondering if PSA has a stated upgrade policy? I thought I read one, but am currently unable to locate.

Can someone point me in the right direction, should an upgrade policy exist?

Thanks much!!!
I handle all the trade in options on a case by case basis. Best to email or pop into chat for any questions.

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I handle all the trade in options on a case by case basis. Best to email or pop into chat for any questions.
OK, great. Thanks.
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A bigass nearfield sub is a good way to brute force good results. The V1500's I have on the front wall are pretty much just for decoration.
I have a V1811 right behind each seat, and there's no shortage of bass, but I have been wondering if putting a smaller sub or two up front would help reduce the localizability of the big'uns. Have you found any such benefit to the 'decorative' front subs?
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I have a V1811 right behind each seat, and there's no shortage of bass, but I have been wondering if putting a smaller sub or two up front would help reduce the localizability of the big'uns. Have you found any such benefit to the 'decorative' front subs?
Absolutely. I was half joking about the decorative thing but they do add a noticeable amount of SPL and help make it seem like bass is just coming from everywhere.
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Absolutely. I was half joking about the decorative thing but they do add a noticeable amount of SPL and help make it seem like bass is just coming from everywhere.
Darn, I was afraid of that. I might need to order an unsprayed V1510DF and have a local place do a walnut veneer.
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Darn, I was afraid of that. I might need to order an unsprayed V1510DF and have a local place do a walnut veneer.
I'm not sure if you're kidding or not but we actually do offer all products with "unfinished" cabinets now. There's a price reduction as well.

Here's a picture of the S1811 in my office for some experiments.

Of course you don't want to leave MDF unfinished. But just giving an idea of a lighter finish with the big 18..

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