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this would definitely be used for mainly movies, and our media room is upstairs, so no concrete up there


I would go sealed unless you’re going to get one of those really low tuned ported subs. The lower port tune adds more weight vs a sub tuned around 20 ish hz. Let’s face it, the lowest bass is the most fun in theaters and gives the most sense of impending doom
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How much sub do I need for a music only system? I like Barbra Streisand, Bob Dylan, Donna Summer, Ray Charles, Frank Sinatra, Otis Redding, Brewer and Shipley, blues, country. I don't think there are heavy bass demands in this music. I don't listen to bass a la @David Charles . Also no organ music.


In a large room, 24ft x 40ft open on both ends can I get away with an S1510DF? and then add another one if that is not enough? I would use it with a pair of MT-110s which are spec'd down to 70 Hz. I am leaning towards sealed as I don't have any of those yet. I have ported subs in my home theater set up. The dual driver S3010 might be nice but the dimensions are a little bigger than I want. If I have to go that way I will but this seems like a set up that doesn't require a lot of low base.
Whereabouts are you in California? I am selling a S3000i in great condition for about the price of a 15" sealed...I live in the Inland Empire , San Bernadino area...
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Don't do it if you only watch movies
I love the S36's for everything!Even being in a somewhat large open room on concrete , they were absolutely what I was looking for! Granted I have a bit more firepower that makes up for the lack of a port , but as others have said above , the weight they add to the room is what I wanted. I had 2 V36's on order to upgrade from 2 V1801's and really thought that it wasnt more Db output I wanted , but deeper extension. As chucky mentioned , the 10-17hz range adds that weight ported or not , and that isnt exactly the V18's sweetspot due to its compact size. The pressure is similar to swimming in a deep pool , which can also be a drawback if you have sensitive ears. I will get somewhat of a pressure headache when listening to sub 20hz for an extended period. My aunt came over and her ears immediately started hurting just listening to somewhat deep bass off a Lo-fi jazz station. This is a lady who has lived a stones throw from busy railroad tracks her whole life and the volume was merely just background noise while we were chatting. It was a bit impressive lol.....
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I would go sealed unless you’re going to get one of those really low tuned ported subs. The lower port tune adds more weight vs a sub tuned around 20 ish hz. Let’s face it, the lowest bass is the most fun in theaters and gives the most sense of impending doom
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Whereabouts are you in California? I am selling a S3000i in great condition for about the price of a 15" sealed...I live in the Inland Empire , San Bernadino area...
North county San Diego. Probably a little too big for where I want to put it. That's the problem with the S1811 that @basshead81 recommended too This music only set up has an aesthetics first priority. The S1510 has the *look* that will work for me because of the square smaller shape that can double as a pedestal. Thanks

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North county San Diego. Probably a little too big for where I want to put it. That's the problem with the S1811 that @basshead81 recommended too This music only set up has an aesthetics first priority. The S1510 has the *look* that will work for me because of the square smaller shape that can double as a pedestal. Thanks
Are you trying to not have a sub facing forward? The S3000i is dual opposed , so the front portion would look a bit like a pedestal with the subs on the left/right....Size wise , it is fairly compact next to the S3601 that is on the right side ... compared to the S15df its 7 inches wider to allow for the extra sub and 3 inches taller...either way , I am about to send this sub back to Tom , just thought someone local would like a crack at it!
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Are you trying to not have a sub facing forward? The S3000i is dual opposed , so the front portion would look a bit like a pedestal with the subs on the left/right....Size wise , it is fairly compact next to the S3601 that is on the right side ... compared to the S15df its 7 inches wider to allow for the extra sub and 3 inches taller...either way , I am about to send this sub back to Tom , just thought someone local would like a crack at it!

Actually 18 inches in both directions works well. Not enough room left to right for 24 inches and 24 inches outward would interfere with traffic flow at the top of the stairs. The pedestal in the picture holding the bear is nineteen inches wide. This set up won't be used very often and I don't want to comprise the location by moving some of the other stuff around. My preference in this situation is to compromise the bass.
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Actually 18 inches in both directions works well. Not enough room left to right for 24 inches and 24 inches outward would interfere with traffic flow at the top of the stairs. The pedestal in the picture holding the bear is nineteen inches wide. This set up won't be used very often and I don't want to comprise the location by moving some of the other stuff around. My preference in this situation is to compromise the bass.
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Is that an old school Bose 901.

Yup, good eye, series 2 I think I purchased them in the early seventies for my wedding in lieu of a band. They have been idle for about thirty years or more. I figured I would pair them with the PSA MT-110s and a PSA subwoofer in a multichannel stereo set up as an experiment to see how they sound.
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Actually 18 inches in both directions works well. Not enough room left to right for 24 inches and 24 inches outward would interfere with traffic flow at the top of the stairs. The pedestal in the picture holding the bear is nineteen inches wide. This set up won't be used very often and I don't want to comprise the location by moving some of the other stuff around. My preference in this situation is to compromise the bass.
My suggestions is to get rid of the pedestal or the vase and put something under the sub so that it is level with the fireplace. Then you can put any sub you want there. Problem solved.
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My suggestions is to get rid of the pedestal or the vase and put something under the sub so that it is level with the fireplace. Then you can put any sub you want there. Problem solved.
I agree I could move something out of there and make some room. Even with some more room a large black box might over power the space. I try to visualize my V1800 in there and it just seems too big. The S1510DF seems to be the right size. The question is how much subwoofer do I need for music only without going overboard? For movies I don't think there is such a thing as too much With the S1510DF I could find a spot left of the fireplace for another one, would two be enough with the added benefits of two subs?


What worries me is @basshead81 thinks I need an 18. Isn't he the voice of reason on this thread or do I have my posters mixed up? I have another primarily music set up with an SVS PC ULTRA 13 and some JBL towers (L890,L880) in it and the sub doesn't seem to add much to the music I listen to. I think I need to move that over to this music only set up as a test to see how it sounds.

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I agree I could move something out of there and make some room. Even with some more room a large black box might over power the space. I try to visualize my V1800 in there and it just seems too big. The S1510DF seems to be the right size. The question is how much subwoofer do I need for music only without going overboard? For movies I don't think there is such a thing as too much With the S1510DF I could find a spot left of the fireplace for another one, would two be enough with the added benefits of two subs?

What worries me is @basshead81 thinks I need an 18. Isn't he the voice of reason on this thread or do I have my posters mixed up? I have another primarily music set up with an SVS PC ULTRA 13 and some JBL towers (L890,L880) in it and the sub doesn't seem to add much to the music I listen to. I think I need to move that over to this music only set up as a test to see how it sounds.
What kind of sub you need, sealed or ported actually has more to do with the space than the usage.

PSA's dual opposed subs do not vibrate, so they are actually better than the S1510 or S1811 as pedestal for your bear or the vase.

You can also try the V1800/1801 there, with the Room Size turned all the way down, to simulate how a sealed would sound there.
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I agree I could move something out of there and make some room. Even with some more room a large black box might over power the space. I try to visualize my V1800 in there and it just seems too big. The S1510DF seems to be the right size. The question is how much subwoofer do I need for music only without going overboard? For movies I don't think there is such a thing as too much With the S1510DF I could find a spot left of the fireplace for another one, would two be enough with the added benefits of two subs?


What worries me is @basshead81 thinks I need an 18. Isn't he the voice of reason on this thread or do I have my posters mixed up? I have another primarily music set up with an SVS PC ULTRA 13 and some JBL towers (L890,L880) in it and the sub doesn't seem to add much to the music I listen to. I think I need to move that over to this music only set up as a test to see how it sounds.
I started my big boy sub journey with one, then two PSA 15S subs (down firing 15, predecessor to the 1510DF). They do a fine job for their size with movies, and a great job with music. I would get one of the sealed 15s, see if it's enough, then get a second if needed (for more even bass distribution and output potential).

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I agree I could move something out of there and make some room. Even with some more room a large black box might over power the space. I try to visualize my V1800 in there and it just seems too big. The S1510DF seems to be the right size. The question is how much subwoofer do I need for music only without going overboard? For movies I don't think there is such a thing as too much With the S1510DF I could find a spot left of the fireplace for another one, would two be enough with the added benefits of two subs?


What worries me is @basshead81 thinks I need an 18. Isn't he the voice of reason on this thread or do I have my posters mixed up? I have another primarily music set up with an SVS PC ULTRA 13 and some JBL towers (L890,L880) in it and the sub doesn't seem to add much to the music I listen to. I think I need to move that over to this music only set up as a test to see how it sounds.
For a primarily music setup in your room I'd go with dual S15's. They have very solid output for music...most likely better than SVS's SB13 Ultra if that tells you anything. A pair should rock pretty solid for ya on music. Check out their wood veneer options since aesthetics seem to be important to you(which is perfectly fine..especially in a nice living room). Not that big of an upcharge to have some really nice furniture grade finish.
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Hey guys, I recently upgraded to a Denon X3400H. I ran the X32 but I am running into a strange problem... Using the subwoofer - level match feature, I set both subwoofers to 73-75dbs. Both trying to be on the low side of the green zone. Then, I run the actual calibration in 6 different positions across my console love seat. The X32 is setting my subwoofer levels to -12.0. Following the advice in the Guide to Subwoofer Calibration thread... I don't understand what to do at this point. If it is reading 73-75dbs in the green zone, why is X32 calibrating to -12.0?

The only thing that I could possibly think of is that since both subs sit directly behind the seating position, it is so close that it is adding +6 dbs when the calibration is together? Even then, it would read around 80db. It wouldn't need to cut so much. -.-


"If a trim level of -12 is set, with Denon/Marantz units, there is no knowing what the actual volume of the subwoofer is. The AVR simply ran out of negative trim at -12. The actual sub volume might be 80db, or even 85db. If so, you might not like the way it sounds to have your sub so much louder than the rest of your system. And, you would not have an easy way to turn down the subwoofer volume, if your trim level were already at the lowest setting. You also could never be sure what your actual sub volume is, and as a result, you could find yourself running out of headroom sooner than expected. So, for instance, you want a negative trim setting not exceeding -11.5 in Denon/Marantz units. "

The subs are dual S3000I's. Room size is about 10X11X8.

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Hey guys, I recently upgraded to a Denon X3400H. I ran the X32 but I am running into a strange problem... Using the subwoofer - level match feature, I set both subwoofers to 73-75dbs. Both trying to be on the low side of the green zone. Then, I run the actual calibration in 6 different positions across my console love seat. The X32 is setting my subwoofer levels to -12.0. Following the advice in the Guide to Subwoofer Calibration thread... I don't understand what to do at this point. If it is reading 73-75dbs in the green zone, why is X32 calibrating to -12.0?

The only thing that I could possibly think of is that since both subs sit directly behind the seating position, it is so close that it is adding +6 dbs when the calibration is together? Even then, it would read around 80db. It wouldn't need to cut so much. -.-


"If a trim level of -12 is set, with Denon/Marantz units, there is no knowing what the actual volume of the subwoofer is. The AVR simply ran out of negative trim at -12. The actual sub volume might be 80db, or even 85db. If so, you might not like the way it sounds to have your sub so much louder than the rest of your system. And, you would not have an easy way to turn down the subwoofer volume, if your trim level were already at the lowest setting. You also could never be sure what your actual sub volume is, and as a result, you could find yourself running out of headroom sooner than expected. So, for instance, you want a negative trim setting not exceeding -11.5 in Denon/Marantz units. "

The subs are dual S3000I's. Room size is about 10X11X8.

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I found that if you shoot for a 76.5 or so in the level matching it will return you an avr sub trim around -9 to -11.
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Hey guys, I recently upgraded to a Denon X3400H. I ran the X32 but I am running into a strange problem... Using the subwoofer - level match feature, I set both subwoofers to 73-75dbs. Both trying to be on the low side of the green zone. Then, I run the actual calibration in 6 different positions across my console love seat. The X32 is setting my subwoofer levels to -12.0. Following the advice in the Guide to Subwoofer Calibration thread... I don't understand what to do at this point. If it is reading 73-75dbs in the green zone, why is X32 calibrating to -12.0?

The only thing that I could possibly think of is that since both subs sit directly behind the seating position, it is so close that it is adding +6 dbs when the calibration is together? Even then, it would read around 80db. It wouldn't need to cut so much. -.-


"If a trim level of -12 is set, with Denon/Marantz units, there is no knowing what the actual volume of the subwoofer is. The AVR simply ran out of negative trim at -12. The actual sub volume might be 80db, or even 85db. If so, you might not like the way it sounds to have your sub so much louder than the rest of your system. And, you would not have an easy way to turn down the subwoofer volume, if your trim level were already at the lowest setting. You also could never be sure what your actual sub volume is, and as a result, you could find yourself running out of headroom sooner than expected. So, for instance, you want a negative trim setting not exceeding -11.5 in Denon/Marantz units. "

The subs are dual S3000I's. Room size is about 10X11X8.

Thanks guys!
What are you using to support the Audyssey mic during calibration? If you are using the supplied "rocket" stand, or a tripod that is touching the seating surface, vibrations transferred through the seating could be skewing your numbers.

A boom mic stand is the preferred equipment here.
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What are you using to support the Audyssey mic during calibration? If you are using the supplied "rocket" stand, or a tripod that is touching the seating surface, vibrations transferred through the seating could be skewing your numbers.

A boom mic stand is the preferred equipment here.
Can you recommend a good cheap boom mic stand and adapter for Audyssey mic? Thanks.
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Can you recommend a good cheap boom mic stand and adapter for Audyssey mic? Thanks.
Other than the boom mic stand (link provided by imureh), you also need the following adapter to put the Audyssey mic on it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Other than the boom mic stand (link provided by imureh), you also need the following adapter to put the Audyssey mic on it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The clip style adapter that comes with the stand that imureh linked works just fine for holding the Audyssey mic. It's all I've ever used.


EDIT: This stand may not come with the correct clip to hold the Audyssey mic.

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The clip style adapter that comes with the stand that imureh linked works just fine for holding the Audyssey mic. It's all I've ever used.
How does it look like? Do you have a pic? Mic has to be upright.
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The clip style adapter that comes with the stand that imureh linked works just fine for holding the Audyssey mic. It's all I've ever used.
Thank you for the heads up!

I guess I should try that too.

I am getting pretty good results by placing the Audyssey mic on my recliner. Of course there is always room for improvement!

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How does it look like? Do you have a pic? Mic has to be upright.
Yes, the clip that comes with the stand will hold the Audyssey mic upright. It looks like this and is called a Clothespin Style Mic Clip. The clip opens just wide enough to grip either side of the base of the Audyssey mic. Works a treat!


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What are you using to support the Audyssey mic during calibration? If you are using the supplied "rocket" stand, or a tripod that is touching the seating surface, vibrations transferred through the seating could be skewing your numbers.

A boom mic stand is the preferred equipment here.
Figures. A new mic stand and clip is in the cart!

Also, ordered a UMIK-1 that is arriving next week... I'll keep it anyways.
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Thank you for the heads up!

I guess I should try that too.

I am getting pretty good results by placing the Audyssey mic on my recliner. Of course there is always room for improvement!

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The clip style adapter that comes with the stand that imureh linked works just fine for holding the Audyssey mic. It's all I've ever used.
Hmmm...I may be wrong about this stand coming with the Clothespin type clip. The description just says "Includes mic clip" but doesn't specify which style. The "newer version" of that stand does however come with that style clip and another.
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Hmmm...I may be wrong about this stand coming with the Clothespin type clip. The description just says "Includes mic clip" but doesn't specify which style. The "newer version" of that stand does however come with that style clip and another.
It does not come with the Clothespin type clip. So I ordered the adapter that chucky provided.
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Hmmm...I may be wrong about this stand coming with the Clothespin type clip. The description just says "Includes mic clip" but doesn't specify which style. The "newer version" of that stand does however come with that style clip and another.

The older boom version plus the linked adapter seems to be maybe better deal at about the same price. That adapter looks more versatile than the clip. I can't see the end of the old boom. Does the adapter just screw onto the end of the boom?

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