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Hmmm...I may be wrong about this stand coming with the Clothespin type clip. The description just says "Includes mic clip" but doesn't specify which style. The "newer version" of that stand does however come with that style clip and another.
The last stand(AmazonBasics) I bought came with NO adapter of any kind. I had bought it to replace one I damaged(the Samson being recommended), and was able to use the adapter it came with, along with this:
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for the Audyssey mike, and this just slipped into the other clip.
They must be making running changes, because I'm pretty sure my Samson didn't come with the clip adapter, but the upper adapter pictured here, which the Zoom adapter I linked slides into.
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The older boom version plus the linked adapter seems to be maybe better deal at about the same price. That adapter looks more versatile than the clip. I can't see the end of the old boom. Does the adapter just screw onto the end of the boom?
Yes. There are videos on YouTube about the Samson MK-10.
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This one is Amazon's choice and has more reviews. Not sure if it's any better for the same price. On stage is a good known brand.

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This one is Amazon's choice and has more reviews. Not sure if it's any better for the same price. On stage is a good known brand.

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Don't you just love Amazon! It took me about 20 seconds to cancel my order and another 20 seconds to place a new order.
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I am getting pretty good results by placing the Audyssey mic on my recliner.

Definitely get a boom. You are getting reflections (or absorptions, depending on the material) off the recliner that are messing up your measurements. They're cheap too.
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Definitely get a boom. You are getting reflections (or absorptions, depending on the material) off the recliner that are messing up your measurements. They're cheap too.
I do have a boom stand which I use with the UMIK-1. I just don't have the adapter that allows me to screw the Denon measurement mic on the boom stand.

When I run Audyssey auto-calibration, I screw the Denon measurement mic on a tripod then put the tripod on my recliner, then drape a blanket over the chair back. It just didn't occur to me that I can just clamp the measurement mic with the clothespin type clip that came with the boom stand.
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For a primarily music setup in your room I'd go with dual S15's. They have very solid output for music...most likely better than SVS's SB13 Ultra if that tells you anything. A pair should rock pretty solid for ya on music. Check out their wood veneer options since aesthetics seem to be important to you(which is perfectly fine..especially in a nice living room). Not that big of an upcharge to have some really nice furniture grade finish.

Comparing down firing vs front firing (S1510DF vs S1510). Is there a sonic difference? Looking at the numbers and graphs on the PSA site they appear to be almost identical. Based on a little research most comments are there is no difference in sound. A few state front firing can reproduce a few types of sound a little better. It makes sense to me that the sound quality would be better if it didn't bounce off the floor and back wall before exiting to the listener. Down firing are favored if you have pets or young kids that might damage the grill.


The veneer finish options are a nice upgrade on the S1510 but I think I am better off with the more durable standard finish. The size, appearance and price of the S1510DF seem like a winner for me but what am I sacrificing when compared to the front firing S1510?


Compared to some other brands PSA seems to be very competitive. Even with the great CS and Made in USA assets PSA seems to have very good deals!
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I do have a boom stand which I use with the UMIK-1. I just don't have the adapter that allows me to screw the Denon measurement mic on the boom stand.

When I run Audyssey auto-calibration, I screw the Denon measurement mic on a tripod then put the tripod on my recliner, then drape a blanket over the chair back. It just didn't occur to me that I can just clamp the measurement mic with the clothespin type clip that came with the boom stand.
I use the clothespin style clip on my boom mic stand for both the Audyssey mic and my umik-1 mic. I screwed a bolt into the bottom of the Audy mic for the clip to hold,makes going from the Audy mic to the umik-1 very easy





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I do have a boom stand which I use with the UMIK-1. I just don't have the adapter that allows me to screw the Denon measurement mic on the boom stand.

When I run Audyssey auto-calibration, I screw the Denon measurement mic on a tripod then put the tripod on my recliner, then drape a blanket over the chair back. It just didn't occur to me that I can just clamp the measurement mic with the clothespin type clip that came with the boom stand.


This is the one I use. Very good adapter.

Zoom MA-2 Tripod to Mic Stand... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0032D0P84?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf


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Comparing down firing vs front firing (S1510DF vs S1510). Is there a sonic difference? Looking at the numbers and graphs on the PSA site they appear to be almost identical. Based on a little research most comments are there is no difference in sound. A few state front firing can reproduce a few types of sound a little better. It makes sense to me that the sound quality would be better if it didn't bounce off the floor and back wall before exiting to the listener. Down firing are favored if you have pets or young kids that might damage the grill.


The veneer finish options are a nice upgrade on the S1510 but I think I am better off with the more durable standard finish. The size, appearance and price of the S1510DF seem like a winner for me but what am I sacrificing when compared to the front firing S1510?


Compared to some other brands PSA seems to be very competitive. Even with the great CS and Made in USA assets PSA seems to have very good deals!
Downfiring can help reduce localization and help mask higher order harmonics. Other then that not much difference.
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So like I mentioned in this post, the old Sunfire sub was a great little gadget, punching well above it's weight. But it couldn't hold a candle to the new S3611. Makes me wonder about the house construction quality - felt a strong harmonic in the floor. Also saw something interesting in the SPeaker manual while sitting there waiting on the setup sweeps. It said at the end of that section how a corner placement was rarely ideal, but now the best location with the Anti-Mode. I always thought corner was best, at least in terms of perceived output levels. In any case, it's scary good.
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Single corner placement excites all the room modes, which may or may not be good at the MLP.

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Single corner placement excites all the room modes, which may or may not be good at the MLP.
Not being an audio engineer, I sorta get that. I'm guessing the worst-case scenario is an empty, square room - not the case by any means here. It's an open-plan design with a peaked ceiling and literally no wall measurement the same anywhere. The corner itself is actually an enclosure formed by the shelf. Thoughts?

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Not being an audio engineer, I sorta get that. I'm guessing the worst-case scenario is an empty, square room - not the case by any means here. It's an open-plan design with a peaked ceiling and literally no wall measurement the same anywhere. The corner itself is actually an enclosure formed by the shelf. Thoughts?
My experience has been that room modes don't affect large open spaces very much.
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Not being an audio engineer, I sorta get that. I'm guessing the worst-case scenario is an empty, square room - not the case by any means here. It's an open-plan design with a peaked ceiling and literally no wall measurement the same anywhere. The corner itself is actually an enclosure formed by the shelf. Thoughts?
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So like I mentioned in this post, the old Sunfire sub was a great little gadget, punching well above it's weight. But it couldn't hold a candle to the new S3611.
I can imagine. I worked at a high end audio dealer back in the day and we sold the 'True Subwoofer' as it was called. Amazing sound for it's size and weight. A great many customers bought them for small bedroom systems due to their compact size. But up against dual 18" drivers driven by 1900 watts? Absolutely no contest. The S3611 would crush it like a grape.
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Most excellent, Tom! The part towards the end where he describes the cathedral ceiling room sounds like a pretty equivalent dimension-ally room of somewhat smaller size. The staircase descending from the opposite side here would almost act like the vent in a sub, right?

Seriously, at 1st the SPL was frightening after I got going with some listening, walking around looking for non-existent dead spots.

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Comparing down firing vs front firing (S1510DF vs S1510). Is there a sonic difference? Looking at the numbers and graphs on the PSA site they appear to be almost identical. Based on a little research most comments are there is no difference in sound. A few state front firing can reproduce a few types of sound a little better. It makes sense to me that the sound quality would be better if it didn't bounce off the floor and back wall before exiting to the listener. Down firing are favored if you have pets or young kids that might damage the grill.


The veneer finish options are a nice upgrade on the S1510 but I think I am better off with the more durable standard finish. The size, appearance and price of the S1510DF seem like a winner for me but what am I sacrificing when compared to the front firing S1510?


Compared to some other brands PSA seems to be very competitive. Even with the great CS and Made in USA assets PSA seems to have very good deals!
I get much better results from my front firing DefTech supercube by facing it into the wall from about 4" distance. It is near field in the rear left corner of my room and by firing into the wall it greatly reduced any localization and expanded the overall "stage" of the bass.
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I can imagine. I worked at a high end audio dealer back in the day and we sold the 'True Subwoofer' as it was called. Amazing sound for it's size and weight. A great many customers bought them for small bedroom systems due to their compact size. But up against dual 18" drivers driven by 1900 watts? Absolutely no contest. The S3611 would crush it like a grape.
https://www.americanradiohistory.com...io-1997-11.pdf (page 64---a really interesting piece by Keele talking about the subwoofer and the innovations behind it)

https://www.audioholics.com/news/sun...it-against-api

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...y=PN%2F5937074

I was part of a much more in-depth discussion about the lawsuit back in early 2002 iirc. I was working on some smaller designs and a friend who knew what was about to happen(the court stuff) told me "look, you didnt hear any of this from me but don't spend too many resources on those smaller subs until we see how this plays out...because our team of attorneys are telling us it's 50/50."

Mixed emotions about the verdict. I mean, "yay, I can move forward" but to be 100% honest I kind of felt like Carver deserved some credit for being so innovative back then. And he ende up having to foot the bill for all of API's court cost stuff too. Ouch.

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[QUOTE=Tom Vodhanel;57193556]https://www.americanradiohistory.com...io-1997-11.pdf (page 64---a really interesting piece by Keele talking about the subwoofer and the innovations behind it)

Also, you can easily compare the output versus frequency versus distortion charts on the $1299 sunfire against a couple other similarly price subs back in the same time period.


https://www.americanradiohistory.com...io-1998-04.pdf (paradigm 15)

https://www.americanradiohistory.com...io-1998-08.pdf (hsu tn20)

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Woo hoo!!!!

Not gonna be a final set up until Christmas is over, but you don’t think I could wait almost a month to get it going, did you? I did it all by ear, given the circumstances. A huge improvement from my 10 year old, dead, Aperion sub. It sounds and feels great now...I can only imagine once I run YPAO and fine tune.
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This is one of those days when you play your system and your amazed how clean it sounds and you haven’t even treated your room yet :-)

I’m gonna be doing a YouTube video with in the next month or so with detailed documentation of what these bass traps and absorbers/diffusers do to my in room frequency response and of course I will do an obligatory echo test as well :-) Half of my order is already here, but I’m waiting on funds (this thing called Christmas)to put the rest of it up as I want to do it all together at once.

I might also do an amateur review on the S3611. While I am not at the level of many people on here, I have a decent grasp of the basics of REW.

Also a good day to get a 2nd subwoofer (or 3rd, etc). That was a huge difference in my room the first time I went duals. Here is the freq response in my room that’s total of 4000 Cu ft. Having a larger room really really let more of the deep bass be noticed. The only change Is that I run the subs about 3 dB hotter that when they were downstairs.
Edit. The far right side of my graph is Speaker boundary interference The problem is I can’t pull my speakers out further away from the wall than they already are to get that boundary interference to drop within subwoofer range. Hoping the 7 in monster bass traps and corner traps will help absorb off the front wall to take care of that null, although I am sure I couldn’t notice it.

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I was part of a much more in-depth discussion about the lawsuit back in early 2002 iirc.
I vaguely recall this, but did not follow it. I just remember thinking to myself "yeah, that really is an amazing piece of equipment - no wonder people are trying to copy it." But quickly scanning through the patent itself, it does not look to my un-qualified eyes like there is anything really special in there.

And now my reading time is all booked up - thanks Tom!

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And less than 24 hours later, my wife does this. Still lovin’ the new sub though, even if the setup is not optimal.
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And less than 24 hours later, my wife does this. Still lovin’ the new sub though, even if the setup is not optimal.

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And less than 24 hours later, my wife does this. Still lovin’ the new sub though, even if the setup is not optimal.
I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I saw this cuz it would have been everywhere lmao!!! I showed my roommate @ramona Flowers who is a girl and she cracked up and said she would never do that to hers or her future husband's speakers lol!

Tis' the season tho so I get it lol. Hope you're enjoying your new sub!
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And less than 24 hours later, my wife does this. Still lovin’ the new sub though, even if the setup is not optimal.


Okay first of all LMAOOOOO , I’m not a festive girl but this is cute. Second I would never do this though lmao. This forum or my roommate @GeoJustGeo has changed my whole view on speakers and subs and all that , so I now I’m like “don’t put nothing on my stuff “ this picture stressed me out lol


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Your a very understanding Husband, I would be spitting feathers if my AV gear got decorated like that.


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I would tell her how nice it looks and ask her if she needed another matching table for her decorations
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