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^^ btw beyond the LFE and subs alone the 12.2s really shine during this track! Sounds amazing!

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Great recommendation! Reminds me of one of my fave bass songs by infected mushroom! I think youll enjoy this!
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Bass pounds around the 1 min mark and jusy seems to get louder as the song goes on



Nice, it has been enjoyed. ... and added to bass list.


I also recently found this; Sequoia by Andy Leech
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^^ btw beyond the LFE and subs alone the 12.2s really shine during this track! Sounds amazing!
I can't imagine not having speakers that can keep up with your subs, for me they add so much lower to mid bass slam reinforcement. I listened to a few minutes of some tracks with just the subs playing as I didn't turn on the outboard amps for my speakers, then turned the subs off and listened to the speakers by themselves. I realized how important having capable mains is.......I hear you my friend.....
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I love that Nathan, Jeff and Mark jump in these threads to share knowledge and experience. It's such an awesome thread with an awesome product that speaks to the openness of these great ID audio companies, especially Tom's Power Sound Audio. Usually competition is so cut throat and flippant of each other that it's refreshing to see genuine, friendly conversation amongst ID sub companies.
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I can't imagine not having speakers that can keep up with your subs, for me they add so much lower to mid bass slam reinforcement. I listened to a few minutes of some tracks with just the subs playing as I didn't turn on the outboard amps for my speakers, then turned the subs off and listened to the speakers by themselves. I realized how important having capable mains is.......I hear you my friend.....
No doubt! When i used the 228s as mains with the quad t18s they were okay at low to moderate volumes but once i started to crank it the 228s just seemed to fall on their face down low. Im not knocking the 228s as they simply aren't designed for that kind of output down low.

The difference between the 228s and 12.2s isnt as noticable up high but man when listing to bass heavy music or movies with the volume up high the 12.2s are able to keep up with the t18s right from the 80hz crossover and up with no problem. Its a drastic difference over what the 228s are capable of, at 105 db sensitive from 80-800hz plus 1k watts
From the amp id even go as far as saying its a completely new experience

Again im not knocking the 228s at all, i still have them in my setup for a reason. 228s are phenomenal speakers just different designs and completely different price points

that coment alone makes me think you would be in heaven if you could hear how amazing the 12.2 and t18s pair, it truly is a treat. I couldnt be happier
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I love that Nathan, Jeff and Mark jump in these threads to share knowledge and experience. It's such an awesome thread with an awesome product that speaks to the openness of these great ID audio companies, especially Tom's Power Sound Audio. Usually competition is so cut throat and flippant of each other that it's refreshing to see genuine, friendly conversation amongst ID sub companies.
Very good point/observation!

To me the first thing i think of is how much this shows that audio is always number one and they have a common passion between themselves and all the competitors. Hats off to all them for never forgetting their passion and common interests and really showing that audio is the number one reason we are all here. Its rare to see this sort of thing with any competitors these days, especially in the sales department where competition seems to be as cut throat as politics anymore

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@David Charles I see you put your dual S3601 subs for sale in the ad. Just curious what you going with next?

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Did more playing with the new pair of S1510's. Moved the back sub from one corner to the other and now crossed parallel to front sub. More important its near field to my chairs and the tactile response is "back". I say that because I used to have bass shakers in our older sofa's. Now we have new furniture with two swivel club chairs and really no way to incorporate them.


Did a new sweep with the Antimode and a secondary. Room is very balanced again.
First attempt to play with delay and really not finding any measurable difference using the SPL meter. That and room size settings not really apparent. Also the gain on the antimode which can boost 15-25 or 25-35hz not audibly obvious to me. Might have to call Tom. Like most of us "don't want to be leaving anyting in the box"!

Streamed "Ready Player One" last night and was delighted by the car chase. The mix of music and effect of bass was super!
I use one of these: https://www.acousticsciences.com/products/subtrap
on one sub and a subdued on the rear sub. My previous sealed subs were not as refined as the S1510 and were "tamed" with treatment. To some extent this refinement coupled with the basstrap creates a less visceral bass experience. Im not talking retina detaching aspirations here but this cat-mouse game of tradeoffs does leave some wanting. At the same time the transparency of these subs in my room and configuration has improved the overall detailing that "EVERYTHING sounds better thru it. No booming corners and no buzzing windows. The isolation efforts took care of that long ago.

At 62lbs each moving these subs make for playtime easier. I suppose a used unit will come up at some time and I can put one back behind the sofa. Tom, any issues with three subs? vs. 2 or 4??
The room is smooth and fatigue reduced with these wonderful subs! Very pleased with the progress and hope to continue dialing them in!
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@David Charles I see you put your dual S3601 subs for sale in the ad. Just curious what you going with next?
Cash in hand for new purchases of new products that may be released in the future I love the subs, truly, and don't care if they don't sell. It does take time to sell audio equipment and have no problem sitting on some cash until what i seek, pops up for purchase

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Where do you have the subs listed. I didn’t see I in the classified


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Cash in hand for new purchases of new products that may be released in the future I love the subs, truly, and don't care if they don't sell. It does take time to sell audio equipment and have no problem sitting on some cash until what i seek, pops up for purchase

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So you are selling the s3611s in case Tom brings out a new product that you can purchase right away? Maybe I'm missing something here, but did Tom suggest he's working on something here, or is this purely speculation?

I know you're a big bass guy, so what would you do if those things sell in the next few days and Tom doesn't release something for the next year or so?

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So you are selling the s3611s in case Tom brings out a new product that you can purchase right away? Maybe I'm missing something here, but did Tom suggest he's working on something here, or is this purely speculation?

I know you're a big bass guy, so what would you do if those things sell in the next few days and Tom doesn't release something for the next year or so?
Yes, I would like to have money in hand and I am in no way in a rush to buy any new subs that Tom releases. I am sure whatever he is up to, will take a few months at least. It is ok, I have a perfect spot in my savings acct for the money. In all honesty, my Klipsch speakers will suffice. Since my room is highly treated, the Klipsch speakers with dual 8 in drivers sound rather remarkable. I listen to music mainly so I really am not out much.

If they dont sell, I am perfectly fine with that, too. The thing is, would I have rather have dual 18 in sealed subs x 2 that rock or something like dual 18 ported sub or dual 21 in subs that are tuned to 12ish hz? I love the sealed sound and all that, truly. Having owned the PSA v3601 for so long, I would *probably* choose that over the s3601 if and only if, it were tuned lower and had more emphasis below 20 hz. My s3601 own the v3601 below 20 hz. A 21 in driver would OWN a s3601 if tuned low enough with a high motor mass driver. Pure physics I suppose.

I guess time will tell. The ONLY other sub I would get would be a dual 18 rythmik sub but I am sure that is well down the line since most of that is made in China. The g25 is nice, but I would never step down in driver size regardless of how amazing the sub sounds. When I have a few brews, I like to CRANK IT UP. My only way to go is up in driver size for me personally.

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Yes, I would like to have money in hand and I am in no way in a rush to buy any new subs that Tom releases. I am sure whatever he is up to, will take a few months at least. It is ok, I have a perfect spot in my savings acct for the money. In all honesty, my Klipsch speakers will suffice. Since my room is highly treated, the Klipsch speakers with dual 8 in drivers sound rather remarkable. I listen to music mainly so I really am not out much.

If they dont sell, I am perfectly fine with that, too. The thing is, would I have rather have dual 18 in sealed subs x 2 that rock or something like dual 18 ported sub or dual 21 in subs that are tuned to 12ish hz? I love the sealed sound and all that, truly. Having owned the PSA v3601 for so long, I would *probably* choose that over the s3601 if and only if, it were tuned lower and had more emphasis below 20 hz. My s3601 own the v3601 below 20 hz. A 21 in driver would OWN a s3601 if tuned low enough with a high motor mass driver. Pure physics I suppose.

I guess time will tell. The ONLY other sub I would get would be a dual 18 rythmik sub but I am sure that is well down the line since most of that is made in China. The g25 is nice, but I would never step down in driver size regardless of how amazing the sub sounds. When I have a few brews, I like to CRANK IT UP. My only way to go is up in driver size for me personally.

Hope this clears it up!

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I should add, that it would seem a low tuned ported sub wouldn't benefit me much since I listen to music, etc. I like all types and styles and sometime crank up some "bass" music and I probably watch 1-2 movies per week and I like the simplicity in which low tuned/sealed subs reach deeep down to the lowest octaves.
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Yes, I would like to have money in hand and I am in no way in a rush to buy any new subs that Tom releases. I am sure whatever he is up to, will take a few months at least. It is ok, I have a perfect spot in my savings acct for the money. In all honesty, my Klipsch speakers will suffice. Since my room is highly treated, the Klipsch speakers with dual 8 in drivers sound rather remarkable. I listen to music mainly so I really am not out much.

If they dont sell, I am perfectly fine with that, too. The thing is, would I have rather have dual 18 in sealed subs x 2 that rock or something like dual 18 ported sub or dual 21 in subs that are tuned to 12ish hz? I love the sealed sound and all that, truly. Having owned the PSA v3601 for so long, I would *probably* choose that over the s3601 if and only if, it were tuned lower and had more emphasis below 20 hz. My s3601 own the v3601 below 20 hz. A 21 in driver would OWN a s3601 if tuned low enough with a high motor mass driver. Pure physics I suppose.

I guess time will tell. The ONLY other sub I would get would be a dual 18 rythmik sub but I am sure that is well down the line since most of that is made in China. The g25 is nice, but I would never step down in driver size regardless of how amazing the sub sounds. When I have a few brews, I like to CRANK IT UP. My only way to go is up in driver size for me personally.

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I should add, that it would seem a low tuned ported sub wouldn't benefit me much since I listen to music, etc. I like all types and styles and sometime crank up some "bass" music and I probably watch 1-2 movies per week and I like the simplicity in which low tuned/sealed subs reach deeep down to the lowest octaves.
Just get a couple of 24 inch sealed subs and call it a day. I don't see how you could ever want to upgrade again after that.
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Just get a couple of 24 inch sealed subs and call it a day. I don't see how you could ever want to upgrade again after that.


I could always go to DIY route But I kind of want to stick with psa since it’s local and tom is easy to deal with


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It’s hard to not want to support PSA. I’m in the same boat as you or at least I think a couple of SI 24’s sealed would be my end game.


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There’s no doubt about that. I really want to keep up whatever I buy on my front stage. I have a perfect spot for those so I was plus all my bass traps are perfectly set for the front stage.


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I understand but from my experience its cheaper just to get the end game sub you really want vs upgrading 3 or 4 times since you lose money each time you buy and sell your used subs.
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I understand but from my experience its cheaper just to get the end game sub you really want vs upgrading 3 or 4 times since you lose money each time you buy and sell your used subs.


I thought I had. I went from Sonos sub to v3601


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I should add, that it would seem a low tuned ported sub wouldn't benefit me much since I listen to music, etc. I like all types and styles and sometime crank up some "bass" music and I probably watch 1-2 movies per week and I like the simplicity in which low tuned/sealed subs reach deeep down to the lowest octaves.


What are u selling then again?


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If they don’t sell I don’t care at all. I would like to have some cash on hand when/if Tom releases a new subs. That’s about the only reason they’re listed. I know this stuff takes a while. Meanwhile I’m enjoying them every day for multiple hours


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are you guys all talking about the dss24 subs? If so, all the "end game" talk really needs to be put in context. One 4000jtr will out-volume dual dss24s <20hz and be just about an even match >25hz. Of course the 4000 is much bigger too. But I think it's about the same price as one dss24?

anyway, the "end game" subwoofer will never be a constant for every application. For some it may not even exist..

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are you guys all talking about the dss24 subs? If so, all the "end game" talk really needs to be put in context. One 4000jtr will out-volume dual dss24s 25hz. Of course the 4000 is much bigger too. But I think it's about the same price as one dss24?



anyway, the "end game" subwoofer will never be a constant for every application. For some it may not even exist..



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Well Tom if an end game subwoofer doesn’t exist I suppose we can purchase multiples of almost end game sub and be happy


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are you guys all talking about the dss24 subs? If so, all the "end game" talk really needs to be put in context. One 4000jtr will out-volume dual dss24s <20hz and be just about an even match >25hz. Of course the 4000 is much bigger too. But I think it's about the same price as one dss24?

anyway, the "end game" subwoofer will never be a constant for every application. For some it may not even exist..

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If you have been keeping up with @David Charles history he has showed he prefers sealed over ported and that is the reason I mentioned the 24 inch sealed. You have the S7201 flagship sealed in your brand but I think its physically too big for him due to placement restrictions if I remember correctly. Not sure what his real goals are but I'm assuming he just wants more ULF output with high midbass over his current subs. This forum just got into his head and he is a bigger basshead than we thought....or just became a bigger basshead overnight. LOL
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Last night I officially put in my order for 3 V1510's. I'm coming from 2 Klipsch R-112SW's, so I anticipate that this is going to be a huge upgrade! A big reason I decided to give PSA a look was because of the compelling and numerous stories about the customer service from them. After exchanging a few emails and having a couple of chat sessions with Tom V, I can already see what you've all seen for a while now. It feels good to be getting, by all accounts, a fantastic product made by a company that still cares deeply about the customer experience.

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If you have been keeping up with @David Charles history he has showed he prefers sealed over ported...
I've been keeping up. But I would need to see more evidence to form a conclusion of "DC will always prefer a sealed subwoofer to a ported subwoofer". What we have here is, very limited sample size combined with a total lack of qualifier consideration.

Would DC prefer a sealed HTib sub to the 4000jtr? Okay, so now we know, for a fact, it's not as simple as "sealed over ported".

So what qualifiers should we consider and how should we weight them? Which of these may reinforce and which my do the opposite?(in terms of subjective preferences).

And then, as you noted, there may be size and likely pricing limits as well.

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I've been keeping up. But I would need to see more evidence to form a conclusion of "DC will always prefer a sealed subwoofer to a ported subwoofer". What we have here is, very limited sample size combined with a total lack of qualifier consideration.

Would DC prefer a sealed HTib sub to the 4000jtr? Okay, so now we know, for a fact, it's not as simple as "sealed over ported".

So what qualifiers should we consider and how should we weight them? Which of these may reinforce and which my do the opposite?(in terms of subjective preferences).

And then, as you noted, there may be size and likely pricing limits as well.

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I don't know if you're being a smartass but we all know we aren't talking about HTib subs here. Come on Tom!

But we do know for a fact that he prefers your sealed subs over ported models. So from that information he is looking for an upgrade over his dual S3601s. Whether that means to try your huge sealed S7201 flagship or another brand large driver sealed (funk, dss, diy) that has more output over S3601 or a new product you may/may not design that would be interest to him in the future.

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