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Well, if these are 48" tall, I'm officially out. That's not a bad thing since I have to pay the balance on the new projector when it arrives next week. That beats losing the projector AND new subs in a divorce that would take place after the Mrs. found out.

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20 wide 28 deep 48 tall


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External dimension volume makes it larger than the Cap 4000

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Well, if these are 48" tall, I'm officially out. That's not a bad thing since I have to pay the balance on the new projector when it arrives next week. That beats losing the projector AND new subs in a divorce that would take place after the Mrs. found out.
If you lay it on its side it's only 20" tall.
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It’s only 20 inches tall is the way I look at it. That sucker will be laid on its side


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External dimension volume makes it larger than the Cap 4000
Nope. The Cap 4000ULF is 20.5 x 39.5 x 41.

Therefore, it is @ 81% of 4000ULF's external dimension volume.
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External dimension volume makes it larger than the Cap 4000
JTR Cap 4000 - 41 x 20.5 x 39.5 = 33,199.75
PSA TBD - 20 x 28 x 48 = 26,880

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JTR Cap 4000 - 41 x 20.5 x 39.5 = 33,199.75
PSA TBD - 20 x 28 x 48 = 26,880
See what happens when I don't watch what I punch into the calculator.

It's still "kind of" a large sub.

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If you lay it on its side it's only 20" tall.
Stop trying to help.

Even if I laid the front one on its side, I wouldn't have 48" between the left front speaker and the center channel and I couldn't realistically use the sub as a "stand" for the center channel without raising the screen on the wall. I know, I know...first world problems.
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It's still "kind of" a large sub.

Lol, only around these forums is a refrigerator sized sub just kind of large. In that perspective, any enclosure you have to build the room around would be certifiably large.
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Nope. The Cap 4000ULF is 20.5 x 39.5 x 41.

Therefore, it is @ 81% of 4000ULF's external dimension volume.
It appears that JTR has become a trend setter. Almost all ID companies have dual 18" monster subs coming out. Maybe the 4000 is selling better than I thought??

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Stop trying to help.

Even if I laid the front one on its side, I wouldn't have 48" between the left front speaker and the center channel and I couldn't realistically use the sub as a "stand" for the center channel without raising the screen on the wall. I know, I know...first world problems.
Time for a acoustically transparent screen, not a problem, they are easily purchased.

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price ?
2149 preorder with regular drivers (this is the only price I remember for sure), IIRC more like 2449 or 2549 after launch. I think 2500-2900 preorder with neo, depending which ones Tom picks, and more after launch? He mentioned that the higher end neo driver may be only slightly more performance for a lot more money, so he might pick the second best driver for significant savings for customers, and almost the same performance - pending how he thinks they sound by comparison. He said if the higher end driver sounds way better, he might use it in spite of the cost.

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Well bh, you've lasted much longer than any of us thought you would. Time to cave in and upgrade?
TBO, I have been mainly holding off until we move and I get a dedicated theater room. So we shall see when the details are released on these monsters. From what I have heard on size, I am probably out because they are not going to work in my current locations.
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TBO, I have been mainly holding off until we move and I get a dedicated theater room. So we shall see when the details are released on these monsters. From what I have heard on size, I am probably out because they are not going to work in my current locations.

Aye, I mentioned to the wife about this new sub coming out, and how it’s footprint is almost three V1801‘s when laid on its side, so there’s no way that works in my current room. Probably not too many people rocking subs this big without somewhat dedicated spaces anyway. Looking at houses this year so we’ll see what’s in store!

I was talking with a friend about my current home theater projects, and he asked how many speakers I have now in room...14 total (including subs) is definitely a lot for a shared space when most people are happy to upgrade to a soundbar. We are not most people.

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We are not most people.
I came here with a 10" ported Boston Acoustics sub that was dead and looking for advice

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I read alot of info here about room size/interaction etc., which seems to me anyway, maybe the biggest of all the factors I see bandied about trying to analyze low frequency sound reproduction. So here's a curve-ball for you big bass gurus: What sub might be a good candidate for a room without a room? I'm talking about a garage with (at certain listening times) open doors in front and back. It would basically sit right in the middle of a 3-car garage.

It's the only place I don't have sub now, and the weather is warming up fast...

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I came here with a 10" ported Boston Acoustics sub that was dead and looking for advice

This thread could not be more true LOL
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Right there with you. I came here with an 8" ported Yamaha sub. Look where I am now just over two years later. I have 3 subs and a total of 6 15" woofers in a 10'x19' room and the listening area setup in 10'x11' area.

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I read alot of info here about room size/interaction etc., which seems to me anyway, maybe the biggest of all the factors I see bandied about trying to analyze low frequency sound reproduction. So here's a curve-ball for you big bass gurus: What sub might be a good candidate for a room without a room? I'm talking about a garage with (at certain listening times) open doors in front and back. It would basically sit right in the middle of a 3-car garage.



It's the only place I don't have sub now, and the weather is warming up fast...

What’s your budget and listening preferences for this island garage sub?

If you need better portability and quality bass reproduction for typical music listening sessions, I’d lean towards an S1510DF. If you play at ridiculous levels, definitely an S7201...you could also use it as a shop bench. Mostly kidding about the latter.

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Right there with you. I came here with an 8" ported Yamaha sub. Look where I am now just over two years later. I have 3 subs and a total of 6 15" woofers in a 10'x19' room and the listening area setup in 10'x11' area.
Yup, from a 10" ported w/ small amp to 2 S3000i-and wondering if I need more or bigger
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...you could also use it as a shop bench. Mostly kidding about the latter.
That's where I'm leaning now, and I imagine alot of [email protected] will get piled up on it sooner or later, because whatever it ends up being will need to be BIG. I can't say budget is no object, but not really important, so that's the "$range" - 7201 - for what I view as the current prime candidate.

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I read alot of info here about room size/interaction etc., which seems to me anyway, maybe the biggest of all the factors I see bandied about trying to analyze low frequency sound reproduction. So here's a curve-ball for you big bass gurus: What sub might be a good candidate for a room without a room? I'm talking about a garage with (at certain listening times) open doors in front and back. It would basically sit right in the middle of a 3-car garage.

It's the only place I don't have sub now, and the weather is warming up fast...


That's a challenging question, although I actually think that the single biggest variable may always be the listening material involved, and the bass preferences of the individual. But, I will see if I can hit some of the issues that you might want to consider.

First, I assume that this will be for music listening only, based on your description of a garage which is open at both ends. If you are listening to a lot of bass-enhanced music then a larger ported subwoofer, which will provide more SPL, below 50Hz, might be helpful. You will get a little boundary gain, even in the middle of the garage, but I think that a ported sub would still be helpful for the lower frequencies. There won't be as much low-bass tactile response (TR) from music anyway, but the concrete pad will attenuate what there is. Ported may be somewhat helpful in that respect, too.

Depending on your listening levels, I think that something like a V1510 might work well for this application. And, of course you could go all the way up to a V3611, if you wanted to invest that much. My sense is that you are mostly going to want an adequate loudness level here, and the ability to provide some good bass support down to about 30Hz, and any of the standard vented models that PSA offers should fill the bill for that. However, I wouldn't expect the new low-port tune model to be of any real benefit, in this particular case. I hope this helps!

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* Edited to add that an S7201 would still be very solid down to 30Hz, and would provide very high output. It seems expensive for a garage subwoofer, but if that's what you really want, then it would be a great choice. Ported versus sealed can be an important consideration in some cases, but I wouldn't be concerned about an S7201 being adequate for this application.

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Yes Mike, music-only. My only real preference is being able to produce clean, clear sound at high listening levels. In the garage and out back is where I want/need high SPL capacity. I doubt the indoor units hardly ever break a sweat. I'm wanting a 7201, but here comes the sealed vs. ported quandary again...
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I don't know how they do it! I wanted to upgrade my daytime 32" TV which sits next to my 65" HT setup and I thought a soundbar would be perfect. After considerable research I couldn't find anything that met my basic needs/wants. I ended up ordering a slimline Marantz AVR paired with Monitor Bronze 2 speakers. I have a feeling I will end up adding a center (sigh). I know I will look for a place to add a sub which is silly because this TV is mostly for NEWS and sometimes a little music.


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Yes Mike, music-only. My only real preference is being able to produce clean, clear sound at high listening levels. In the garage and out back is where I want/need high SPL capacity. I doubt the indoor units hardly ever break a sweat. I'm wanting a 7201, but here comes the sealed vs. ported quandary again...
Look into pro audio subs for music in your garage. I use 2 Growlers in my garage and for neighborhood parties. There are many other pro audio subs that would work well for your application. I would especially look at this option if you plan on using them outside. Pro audio subs can play from 120 to 130+ dB outdoors at 2m (in the 40hz to 100hz range) where most HT subs will top out in the 115-118ish range unless you spend multiple thousands of dollars. I used a large sealed 18 HT sub in my garage at one point and it didn’t do a very good job - was easy to bottom out in the large space.
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I don't know how they do it! I wanted to upgrade my daytime 32" TV which sits next to my 65" HT setup and I thought a soundbar would be perfect. After considerable research I couldn't find anything that met my basic needs/wants. I ended up ordering a slimline Marantz AVR paired with Monitor Bronze 2 speakers. I have a feeling I will end up adding a center (sigh). I know I will look for a place to add a sub which is silly because this TV is mostly for NEWS and sometimes a little music.
Very true.

My 50" Pioneer Elite actually has really good speakers for a TV and prior to getting the MTM210's as my LCR, I only used the sound system for movies and music.

The 210's and S3000's do such a good job at even lower levels that I now use the TV speakers for news only.

My only regret right now is that I didnt get the 60" Pioneer back in 2010 as aside from size, I am still in love with a great/calibrated Plasma. Just cant pull the trigger on OLED just yet when the current Kuro still looks so good.
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Look into pro audio subs for music in your garage. I use 2 Growlers in my garage and for neighborhood parties. There are many other pro audio subs that would work well for your application. I would especially look at this option if you plan on using them outside. Pro audio subs can play from 120 to 130+ dB outdoors at 2m (in the 40hz to 100hz range) where most HT subs will top out in the 115-118ish range unless you spend multiple thousands of dollars. I used a large sealed 18 HT sub in my garage at one point and it didn’t do a very good job - was easy to bottom out in the large space.
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Now that's the kinda tip I was looking for! Looks like maybe the Growler has been discontinued, but JTR seem to presently have a few other Pro models that might fit the bill.

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Now that's the kinda tip I was looking for! Looks like maybe the Growler has been discontinued, but JTR seem to presently have a few other Pro models that might fit the bill.

This is a steal

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