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To the Power Sound Audio Community,

I wanted to let everyone know that today was my last official day as an owner of Power Sound Audio. I am forever grateful to all of our customers for your support over the past seven years. Your loyalty to the PSA brand has enabled me to accomplish more than I could have ever imagined.

I wish Tom and the entire PSA Team the best of luck moving forward.

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Jim, Thank you for providing us with outstanding products over the last seven years.

You and Tom have made a definite impact in the industry and many home theater/music listening areas.
Good luck in whatever endeavors you are taking on for yourself and your family.
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To the Power Sound Audio Community,

I wanted to let everyone know that today was my last official day as an owner of Power Sound Audio. I am forever grateful to all of our customers for your support over the past seven years. Your loyalty to the PSA brand has enabled me to accomplish more than I could have ever imagined.

I wish Tom and the entire PSA Team the best of luck moving forward.

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To the Power Sound Audio Community,

I wanted to let everyone know that today was my last official day as an owner of Power Sound Audio. I am forever grateful to all of our customers for your support over the past seven years. Your loyalty to the PSA brand has enabled me to accomplish more than I could have ever imagined.

I wish Tom and the entire PSA Team the best of luck moving forward.

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Jim thank you for all you have done for PSA and home audio in general!


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Thinking about some PSAs subs for my next upgrade. Bit concerned about it being such a small company though. Are the amps and drivers something that could be easily replaced if they went broke? Is it off the shelf stuff or does the DSP programming make that an issue? Speakers I generally don't worry about company size so much, but subwoofers do seem to have lifespans due to their high wattage and excursions.

JL Audio is so expensive, and SVS just doesn't excite me.
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Thinking about some PSAs subs for my next upgrade. Bit concerned about it being such a small company though. Are the amps and drivers something that could be easily replaced if they went broke? Is it off the shelf stuff or does the DSP programming make that an issue? Speakers I generally don't worry about company size so much, but subwoofers do seem to have lifespans due to their high wattage and excursions.



JL Audio is so expensive, and SVS just doesn't excite me.



They have a 5 year warranty..... which exceeds most manufacturers, coupled with the best customer service in the industry. I can’t speak to repair costs as i haven’t had any issues really.

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To the Power Sound Audio Community,

I wanted to let everyone know that today was my last official day as an owner of Power Sound Audio. I am forever grateful to all of our customers for your support over the past seven years. Your loyalty to the PSA brand has enabled me to accomplish more than I could have ever imagined.

I wish Tom and the entire PSA Team the best of luck moving forward.

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Wow!

Good luck Jim!
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To the Power Sound Audio Community,

I wanted to let everyone know that today was my last official day as an owner of Power Sound Audio. I am forever grateful to all of our customers for your support over the past seven years. Your loyalty to the PSA brand has enabled me to accomplish more than I could have ever imagined.

I wish Tom and the entire PSA Team the best of luck moving forward.

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Thank you Jim, it's been an honor working with you over the last seven years more so the friendship that's grown over that time and I know that relationship will continue beyond PSA...it was very difficult to accept your leaving when you first let me know several days ago, I had to bite my tongue to not post what you shared with me, I respected that you wanted to announce it yourself. I thought knowing in advance would lessen the blow when you finally did say to all that you were leaving, hearing it again is even worse like getting punched in the gut.

I will sorely miss you and the many talks we had at the shop, I've been there so may times and enjoyed every one. Like you said I too believe our paths will cross again and look so forward to that, I will be in touch my friend, I mean that.............I have to make peace with this, everything must happen for a reason...best wishes from me and my wife, she never meet you but hearing your name mentioned hundreds of times at my home she was sad to hear the news last week..............

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I am definitely planning an upgrade once the new subs drop, but wanted to get everyone's opinion on which option make the most sense. I currently have a V1801 and a V1811.

1. Trade in both subs on a single of the higher end version of the new sub. I'm assuming a single of the new sub would easily beat my current pair in the mid bass and destroy them down low. I have a good location that has proved to provide a flat response at the MLP with a single sub. A second could always be added later if I get the upgrade itch.

2. Trade in both subs on a pair of the lower end version of the new sub. I'm assuming this would provide more output than option 1 but at a higher price point and with less WAF as it would take up a lot more space.

3. Trade in the V1801 on either the lower end or higher end version of the new sub based on pricing. Put the existing V1811 nearfield. I'm reluctant to do this as I would imagine mixing subs with 2 different port tunes might cause issues with cancellations around the port tune.

I'm leaning towards option 1 since it gets me the best single sub with an obvious upgrade path. My hope would be that there would be a single driver version of a low tuned sub that would better pair with the monster available in the future that could be used nearfield.

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I'm just catching-up on this thread and noticed that your post sort of got lost. At this point, it is hard to know whether option 1 or option 2 would work better. Unless there is a lot of performance difference between the lower cost model and the higher cost model, you might be well served to get the lower cost one. On the other hand, unless there is a lot of cost difference between the two models, you might be well served to get the better performing one. How's that for a pretty ambiguous answer?

But, framed the way you did, it really does come down to a price versus performance question, and there just isn't enough information yet on the performance/cost differences between the two models to make an intelligent guess. FWIW, I personally prefer to go as far as I can up the model line, and if there isn't a lot of cost difference between the two versions, you might still be able to add both of the better subs initially. Tom will be able to help you with this decision as he starts to get more specific about the two versions.

One thing I definitely wouldn't do is to try to match a V1811 with one of the new low-tuned subs, for exactly the reason you mentioned. It isn't just the difference in port tune, it's also the difference in the shape of the frequency response. You would certainly expect to have more issues with cancellation, and fewer opportunities to benefit from having dual subs.

Frankly, even level-matching the subs could be very difficult, if you want to have the full benefit of the new subwoofer. Volume decreases by ~3db for a doubling of distance indoors, so there would have to be a considerable distance difference between the subs to even make that work. And, automated room EQ would not be your friend with EQ below the F3 point of the V1811. All-in-all, not the option you would want.

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Sorry Marc, it is true. I made sure to post on March 31st for this reason.

Wow. I thought it was an early April Fool's joke as well. I would say sorry to hear it Jim but if it's what you want, then congrats! You will be missed. Thanks for all you have done for the sub industry and all of the help you have provided over the many years. Hope you still pop in from time to time.

On the flip side, does that mean that Tom has free reign to do whatever crazy projects he thinks of?

If so, things will get VERY interesting!
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I'm sorry to see you go Jim. I had the honor of meeting you twice when I came up to the shop and it was wonderful getting to know you. I was also happy to have the chance to bring you some Virginia beers to enjoy on my last visit and give you a little taste of the southern craft beer world. You truly have designed and made some of the best audio products on the market and I thoroughly enjoy them every time I turn on my system. Your creations always bring a smile to my face every time I hear them.

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I'm sorry to see you go Jim. I had the honor of meeting you twice when I came up to the shop and it was wonderful getting to know you. I was also happy to have the chance to bring you some Virginia beers to enjoy on my last visit and give you a little taste of the southern craft beer world. You truly have designed and made some of the best audio products on the market and I thoroughly enjoy them every time I turn on my system. Your creations always bring a smile to my face every time I hear them.

Good luck in what ever you have chosen to do next... you will truly be missed by us all.
Well put my friend, because of PSA I had the pleasure of meeting you Jim on my many visits there......That will always be a cherished moment in my heart........
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Well put my friend, because of PSA I had the pleasure of meeting you Jim on my many visits there......That will always be a cherished moment in my heart........
Same here brother... same here.
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They have a 5 year warranty..... which exceeds most manufacturers, coupled with the best customer service in the industry. I can’t speak to repair costs as i haven’t had any issues really.

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Thanks. Yeah just sometimes worry with smaller companies what their ability to withstand tough times is. I guess that's the risk you take to get a better value. The owner sounds like an awesome dude that provides great support, but if something happens to him (gets hurt on his motorcycle, bike, walking the dog, skiing, whatever) what happens to the company? That's what I mean. Versus with someone like JL Audio that's not a concern because it's a big enough company where if the President gets hurt his COO can run it while he recovers or they find new professional management.

Again, not saying PSA doesn't have a plan or something but that's just what worries me when I buy from smaller companies. JTR would be the same concern. It's like one guy in a warehouse with some hired hands I think...

I hope my concerns don't come off as me knocking any of these companies, I love small business.
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Thanks. Yeah just sometimes worry with smaller companies what their ability to withstand tough times is. I guess that's the risk you take to get a better value. The owner sounds like an awesome dude that provides great support, but if something happens to him (gets hurt on his motorcycle, bike, walking the dog, skiing, whatever) what happens to the company? That's what I mean. Versus with someone like JL Audio that's not a concern because it's a big enough company where if the President gets hurt his COO can run it while he recovers or they find new professional management.

Again, not saying PSA doesn't have a plan or something but that's just what worries me when I buy from smaller companies. JTR would be the same concern. It's like one guy in a warehouse with some hired hands I think...

I hope my concerns don't come off as me knocking any of these companies, I love small business.
You're in good hands w/ PSA--the owner is a co-founder of SVS. Besides, PSA isn't *that* small.
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You're in good hands w/ PSA--the owner is a co-founder of SVS. Besides, PSA isn't *that* small.


Well I can completely see the op’s concern here, especially after one of the founders announced he’s leaving.


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The owner sounds like an awesome dude that provides great support, but if something happens to him (gets hurt on his motorcycle, bike, walking the dog, skiing, whatever) what happens to the company?
That is a valid concern with Jim Farina departing. PSA could still survive if one of them went down. Unless there is a new co-owner Tom V is PSA, alone(!).

Internet Direct boutique subs give you a lot of bang for your buck. If you want the extra security SVS, JL Audio, Paradigm, M&K, etc. are safe bets.

Subwooders are not rocket science. Any amplifier repair shop should be able to service the amp [if needed] down the road. With proper use, the drivers should live long lifes (25 years? Maybe). For me I can't justify the cost/performance ratio of a JL or Paradigm. DIY is an option (a great one!) but professional finishes allow me to have subs at all due to WAF.
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Sometimes it pays not to worry too much especially if it results in ruling out better quality and bang for the buck. You could opt for the S3010 with one of the veneer options which could double as an end table if something goes wrong with the sub 10 years down the road.


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Thanks. Yeah just sometimes worry with smaller companies what their ability to withstand tough times is. I guess that's the risk you take to get a better value. The owner sounds like an awesome dude that provides great support, but if something happens to him (gets hurt on his motorcycle, bike, walking the dog, skiing, whatever) what happens to the company? That's what I mean. Versus with someone like JL Audio that's not a concern because it's a big enough company where if the President gets hurt his COO can run it while he recovers or they find new professional management.

Again, not saying PSA doesn't have a plan or something but that's just what worries me when I buy from smaller companies. JTR would be the same concern. It's like one guy in a warehouse with some hired hands I think...

I hope my concerns don't come off as me knocking any of these companies, I love small business.
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Understood. Just reiterating the point that PSA is not a fly-by-night company, and Tom has a long track record of success in this business. At the end of the day, that's what we can go on--tomorrow is not promised to any of us.
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That is a valid concern with Jim Farina departing. PSA could still survive if one of them went down. Unless there is a new co-owner Tom V is PSA, alone(!).

Internet Direct boutique subs give you a lot of bang for your buck. If you want the extra security SVS, JL Audio, Paradigm, M&K, etc. are safe bets.

Subwooders are not rocket science. Any amplifier repair shop should be able to service the amp [if needed] down the road. With proper use, the drivers should live long lifes (25 years? Maybe). For me I can't justify the cost/performance ratio of a JL or Paradigm. DIY is an option (a great one!) but professional finishes allow me to have subs at all due to WAF.
Are the amplifiers and drivers are off the shelf? Does that mean if they provide a download of the DSP programming that if either of those failed you could buy the amp and re-program it or replace the driver outright?
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Sometimes it pays not to worry too much especially if it results in ruling out better quality and bang for the buck. You could opt for the S3010 with one of the veneer options which could double as an end table if something goes wrong with the sub 10 years down the road.
Yeah and that's a reasonable route to take. I mean for what JL charges for the same output, it's likely worth the risk. JL has a dumb business model imo, of still using dealers and distributors - they would be a lot more competitive going direct. Their dealers don't add any value. The ones local to me are all "appointment only" and don't even have demo rooms. There is Crutchfield but at that point might as well just buy from a company direct and cut out the middle man.
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Exciting news.

Tom V. is in the final discussions to bring in a new partner/owner, a fresh perspective.
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Thanks. Yeah just sometimes worry with smaller companies what their ability to withstand tough times is. I guess that's the risk you take to get a better value. The owner sounds like an awesome dude that provides great support, but if something happens to him (gets hurt on his motorcycle, bike, walking the dog, skiing, whatever) what happens to the company? That's what I mean. Versus with someone like JL Audio that's not a concern because it's a big enough company where if the President gets hurt his COO can run it while he recovers or they find new professional management.

Again, not saying PSA doesn't have a plan or something but that's just what worries me when I buy from smaller companies. JTR would be the same concern. It's like one guy in a warehouse with some hired hands I think...

I hope my concerns don't come off as me knocking any of these companies, I love small business.
Your concerns make sense when looking at it like that. And as you noted the same could be said for any of these small ID companies. Even if Jim was staying on there was still the risk of them going to lunch together in the same car and something bad happening. There are no guarantees in this life no matter how much we think there are. But I guarantee PSA has a plan, Tom was involved in building SVS and he know's what he's doing.

Let's look at this logically... we all need to keep in mind that while we may just be learning of Jim's departure Tom and Jim have known about it for awhile. And even though this is a break up on good terms it still takes time to work out business details especially when a partner leaves a business. There are all sorts of details that have to be agreed to and contracts have to be signed which means lawyers and other stuff. All of this takes time... lots of time. So while we may be in shock and see this news as something out of the blue... PSA does not. They've had time to work out a plan for a smooth healthy transition. It's simply the evolution of a company.

I'm not worried in the least little bit. I'll miss Jim being a part of PSA, he was a great guy who made great products. But since PSA is getting ready to launch a whole new product line of low tuned subs I would say things are stable. It's a sad day but things are under control.

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Maybe instead of these gloom and doom scenarios, let us just say "What if Tom wins the lottery, calls David Bromstad to find his lottery dream home, and says to heck with building subwoofers!". A nicer outcome than the proverbial "hit by a bus".
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FWIW, I personally prefer to go as far as I can up the model line, and if there isn't a lot of cost difference between the two versions, you might still be able to add both of the better subs initially. Tom will be able to help you with this decision as he starts to get more specific about the two versions.

One thing I definitely wouldn't do is to try to match a V1811 with one of the new low-tuned subs, for exactly the reason you mentioned. It isn't just the difference in port tune, it's also the difference in the shape of the frequency response. You would certainly expect to have more issues with cancellation, and fewer opportunities to benefit from having dual subs.

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Thanks Mike. I am leaning towards trading in both existing V18xx subs and getting a single of the low tuned subs with the Neo drivers. I imagine that this will easily outperform the existing subs from 20hz up and destroy them below that. The only things I would lose are the ability to locate the subs to even out the response at multiple locations and being able to have one of the V18xx nearfield. The nearfield sub really only benefits 1 seat anyway.

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Geez, is this the Chicken Little thread? People start a business with partners and move on later all the time. I don't get all the hoopla. If he had left without saying a word, then you go ok, wtf happened. Much ado about nothing, wish them both well.

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I just added a S1811 to my existing home theater and couldn’t be happier. I want to thank Tom for taking my 37 calls on Sunday to help set up my sub. I was very impressed with Tom’s customer service. I ran into a small issue and Tom was researching my existing sub to see if he could help out. We figured it out and all is good. I had to go out of town 2 hours later and can’t wait to get home to play some more. Than you Tom and looking forward to our future purchases.
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I just added a S1811 to my existing home theater and couldn’t be happier. I want to thank Tom for taking my 37 calls on Sunday to help set up my sub. I was very impressed with Tom’s customer service. I ran into a small issue and Tom was researching my existing sub to see if he could help out. We figured it out and all is good. I had to go out of town 2 hours later and can’t wait to get home to play some more. Than you Tom and looking forward to our future purchases.
Glad to see your problem has been resolve
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[QUOTE=Marc Alexander;57839544]Exciting news.

Tom V. is in the final discussions to bring in a new partner/owner, a fresh perspective.
@chucky7 is based in Southern California but his chart making will help propel PSA to even greater heights! In addition PSA Output Factor @chucky7 will be adding JTR Output Factor as the JTR Captivators are the greatest subs ever created, for now and forever.


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