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I like how that dude is using a S7201 as a nearfield sub
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I like how that dude is using a S7201 as a nearfield sub
That's my plan as well, depending on how the new ULF stuff breaks out. My old ears could not tell any difference in various locations when setting up the V3611, so it went right behind my chair.

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Patiently awaiting dual iPals to replace these s3611s.... these s3611 sound so damn good. Can’t wait to see the difference. On a side note, I think I picked up the last of my acoustic treatments. Just got 2 monster bass traps with range limiters in black which will fit in nicely when they’re placed on top of my subs that are 48 inches tall. It’ll come just underneath my atmos speakers. Also, Picked up a low range limited monster bass trap (in brown) to go above my brown 242’s that are covering up a mirror behind my MLP. Sounds bada**.

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Nice setup @David Charles Have you tried switching out your main speakers and subs? It will be putting your subs at 1/4 distance of front wall which will cancel out your 2nd order width room modes! Also it will give your mains a wider soundstage at same time.

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Nice setup @David Charles Have you tried switching out your main speakers and subs? It will be putting your subs at 1/4 distance of front wall which will cancel out your 2nd order width room modes! Also it will give your mains a wider soundstage at same time.


I have. When I pull those horns away from the wall they sound a little wider. Also, the new subs I’m getting will not fit under my television so they’re going to go in the exact place that the subs are. If my new subs would fit under my television, I would switch them out. I’m +\- from 10 up to 100 with this setup. My room is open and this wall is sorta narrow. Anywhere on that wall gives good response.


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Nice setup @David Charles Have you tried switching out your main speakers and subs? It will be putting your subs at 1/4 distance of front wall which will cancel out your 2nd order width room modes! Also it will give your mains a wider soundstage at same time.


I have. When I pull those horns away from the wall they sound a little wider. Also, the new subs I’m getting will not fit under my television so they’re going to go in the exact place that the subs are. If my new subs would fit under my television, I would switch them out. I’m +\- 2 db from 9 hz up to 100 with this setup. My room is open and this wall is sorta narrow. Anywhere on that wall gives good response.

The other option I’m debating is laying the subs down and putting all of my stuff on top of the subs but I’m just not sure. I guess if I was really motivated I could raise my TV two or three more inches so my subs would fit. I just feel like that would be too high if so. Another thing is I’m trying to keep an equilateral triangle. Currently the middle of the drivers are 65 inches apart and my seating position is anywhere from 63 to 70 inches back from the speakers so I’m getting the sweet spot

With respect to the quarter room wavelength, I feel like that applies more to rooms that are closed off/smaller but doesn’t seem to have as much affect when the room is very open. That’s just what my results have shown. I literally get almost the same response with those subs anywhere on the front wall after I run Audyssey. Even prior to that, it’s not too far off. If the wall was wider, I think it would be a different scenario


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Can somebody refresh my memory on room acoustics and let me know theoretically what laying the subs down on their side does versus standing them up 48 inches (room mode wise)?


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Can somebody refresh my memory on room acoustics and let me know theoretically what laying the subs down on their side does versus standing them up 48 inches (room mode wise)?


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Bass is omnidirectional but having it close to floor will have it peaking at ceiling and floor and null in midway of height mode. Having the drivers at ear level will remove the height mode null. Its always best to try both ways and verify with REW. If both show exact freq response and you can't hear/feel a difference then just have it where it looks best to you. For the money you are spending on subs, its always best to try different positions...firing towards room, firing side ways, etc. Driver orientation can vary in freq response as well.

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Is the preorder period over yet? @Tom Vodhanel

I hope so...for wife’s my sake.

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Bass is omnidirectional but having it close to floor will have it peaking at ceiling and floor and null in midway of height mode.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the two linked quantities in sound waves are 1) particle (in this case, air molecules) speed and 2) pressure.

Since boundary conditions dictate that particle speed must be zero on walls, and pressure is always out of phase with particle speed, this implies pressure is always maximum on room boundaries. So there's always more SPL very close to walls, ceilings and floors, regardless of where the subwoofer is. Independently of sub position, the first room mode thus always have peaks at the boundaries and a node in the middle. Hence why you should probably not have your main listening position in the room's dead center.

That being said, it's true that sub position will excite room modes differently, and I guess having the sub in mid-height will lower the energy dumped into the room's first mode... Sub placement however is as much art as science, so trial & error is inevitable, and only slightly improved with educated guesses

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Anyone know how MTM-210T towers and the matching PSA center would compare to setup of Paradigm 800F/600C or Paradigm Studio 100v3/cc690?

Is large open floor plan room and used 85-90% for movies/TV.

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Anyone know how MTM-220T towers and the matching PSA center would compare to setup of Paradigm 800F/600C or Paradigm Studio 100v3/cc690?

Is large open floor plan room and used 85-90% for movies/TV.
Be a good question for the PSA speaker thread, but to answer your question I believe the PSA will be more dynamic with movies and less compression in the higher frequencies mainly at high volume levels with any source material. 1" dome tweets are not capable of uncompressed reference level playback with a MLP of 9ft or greater. And that is what most box brand speakers use a 1" tweet of some sorts.
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Is large open floor plan room and used 85-90% for movies/TV.
Be a good question for the PSA speaker thread, but to answer your question I believe the PSA will be more dynamic with movies and less compression in the higher frequencies mainly at high volume levels with any source material. 1" dome tweets are not capable of uncompressed reference level playback with a MLP of 9ft or greater. And that is what most box brand speakers use a 1" tweet of some sorts.
Thanks for reply. I didn't know was a separate PSA thread. I'll put it there instead.
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Is the preorder period over yet? @Tom Vodhanel

I hope so...for wife’s my sake.
I'm certainly not Tom but I think he might be too busy to log on to AVS right now so I'll share this...

My excitement got the best of me and I was wondering how things were going at PSA with so many changes and new products being developed and after many attempts I was finally able to get Tom on the phone a couple of days ago. He said at this point things are on schedule for the initial release of the TV36 subs and he also said that things are crazy busy and right now the best way to connect with him is by email. He is in and out of the office and in and out of the assembly floor so chat and phone calls are hit and miss but he makes sure he answers all emails asap.

Right now it sounds like the iPal version is just edging out the Neo version in sales and the base version is in third. No surprise there IMO. Personally I think that verifies just how good the pre-order deal is... most of us jumped to the more expensive versions while they were at the pre-order pricing. But I think all three versions are going to be a lot of fun!!!

It also sounds like its a good thing he was able to get 36 cabinets instead of 24 for pre-order availability because it sounded to me like there were only four or five pre-order subs left even with more available. LOL.... Sekosche that means you still have time to hide in a closet with your CC and computer and order one. Its easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.

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Hello again all. Received my v3611 about 3 weeks ago and this thing is sweet! I don't have any fancy tuning equipment/programs so I let audyssey on my Denon 6500 do it's thing then adjusted gain to my liking.

1st question. Is it OK to have the sub on its side? Does it sound better standing up?

2nd question. Does anyone have pics or better yet video of the psa LCR's in action? I'm trying to convince the old ball and chain that we NEED the matching set of speakers for our 5.1

3rd and final question lol. The new line of products Tom is bringing out, will the speakers be new more powerful like the subs or is it only different cabinets and such? I guess what I'm asking is, should I pull the trigger on a new surround set now or wait till the new products are released?

Any and all info is always appreciated. Thanks!
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Hello again all. Received my v3611 about 3 weeks ago and this thing is sweet! I don't have any fancy tuning equipment/programs so I let audyssey on my Denon 6500 do it's thing then adjusted gain to my liking.

1st question. Is it OK to have the sub on its side? Does it sound better standing up?

2nd question. Does anyone have pics or better yet video of the psa LCR's in action? I'm trying to convince the old ball and chain that we NEED the matching set of speakers for our 5.1

3rd and final question lol. The new line of products Tom is bringing out, will the speakers be new more powerful like the subs or is it only different cabinets and such? I guess what I'm asking is, should I pull the trigger on a new surround set now or wait till the new products are released?

Any and all info is always appreciated. Thanks!
I believe his new speakers are much more expensive active speakers(have their own amplification). They will probably be a little better, but his regular speakers with their high sensitivity should be able to get the most out of your Denon.
It's unlikely you will need speakers more powerful then the MTM210 or similar.
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Hello again all. Received my v3611 about 3 weeks ago and this thing is sweet! I don't have any fancy tuning equipment/programs so I let audyssey on my Denon 6500 do it's thing then adjusted gain to my liking.

1st question. Is it OK to have the sub on its side? Does it sound better standing up?

2nd question. Does anyone have pics or better yet video of the psa LCR's in action? I'm trying to convince the old ball and chain that we NEED the matching set of speakers for our 5.1

3rd and final question lol. The new line of products Tom is bringing out, will the speakers be new more powerful like the subs or is it only different cabinets and such? I guess what I'm asking is, should I pull the trigger on a new surround set now or wait till the new products are released?

Any and all info is always appreciated. Thanks!

Hi, any of our subs are fine in any practical orientation. The main consideration is if a port and/or woofer ends up facing directly at a wall or large piece of furniture I'd keep 2 inches of spacing minimum.

As far as new speaker designs go...it wouldn't surprise me if those roll over into early 2020 for intros. We have a variety of new stuff we're working on but being limited to say 100 hour weeks...the reality is 3rd/4th quarter 2019 is best case. And no matter how excited we get about new ideas nothing will be rushed to meet any self imposed deadline. The new designs range from cost-no-concern fully active to smaller 5.0/7.0 passive systems that will be <$1000 complete. And while there will be "in between" to those extremes to be sure I wouldn't assume anything that will be similar in concept or pricing to the current lineup. Those are selling faster than we can assemble/QC/Box and ship. So that popularity gives some pause into thinking about messing with that success..



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I'm certainly not Tom but I think he might be too busy to log on to AVS right now so I'll share this...

My excitement got the best of me and I was wondering how things were going at PSA with so many changes and new products being developed and after many attempts I was finally able to get Tom on the phone a couple of days ago. He said at this point things are on schedule for the initial release of the TV36 subs and he also said that things are crazy busy and right now the best way to connect with him is by email. He is in and out of the office and in and out of the assembly floor so chat and phone calls are hit and miss but he makes sure he answers all emails asap.

Right now it sounds like the iPal version is just edging out the Neo version in sales and the base version is in third. No surprise there IMO. Personally I think that verifies just how good the pre-order deal is... most of us jumped to the more expensive versions while they were at the pre-order pricing. But I think all three versions are going to be a lot of fun!!!

It also sounds like its a good thing he was able to get 36 cabinets instead of 24 for pre-order availability because it sounded to me like there were only four or five pre-order subs left even with more available. LOL.... Sekosche that means you still have time to hide in a closet with your CC and computer and order one. Its easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.

Yup, pretty much what he said...

Specifically on the TV36 pre orders. Sales have been weighted from top to bottom. Which is the opposite of what I would have guessed. Right now I've stretched out the cabinet production to 3 weeks. I doubt I can go 4 because that would just put us out of too many other popular products which continue to sell very well. So here's the deal.

* I still have cabinets available at the pre order.
* the base TV36 at $2199 is still good to go. I actually thought THIS would be the most popular given the pricing.
* BOTH neo options are still available at pre order pricing BUT...I probably can't get more of either driver until early-mid JUNE. I think I've cleared those out with my initial order(i have a few pallets of neo here and it's a beautiful thing).

So if anyone wants to take advantage of the TV36neo or TV36ipal pricing that is still available,. But realistically we need to say mid June for shipping.

Once demand stabilizes and we have 5 minutes to catch our breathe I've already negotiated with B&C about having pallets(hopefully a full 20ft container) shipped direct from Italy every so often.

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Hi, any of our subs are fine in any practical orientation. The main consideration is if a port and/or woofer ends up facing directly at a wall or large piece of furniture I'd keep 2 inches of spacing minimum.



As far as new speaker designs go...it wouldn't surprise me if those roll over into early 2020 for intros. We have a variety of new stuff we're working on but being limited to say 100 hour weeks...the reality is 3rd/4th quarter 2019 is best case. And no matter how excited we get about new ideas nothing will be rushed to meet any self imposed deadline. The new designs range from cost-no-concern fully active to smaller 5.0/7.0 passive systems that will be <$1000 complete. And while there will be "in between" to those extremes to be sure I wouldn't assume anything that will be similar in concept or pricing to the current lineup. Those are selling faster than we can assemble/QC/Box and ship. So that popularity gives some pause into thinking about messing with that success..







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When they are going to publish the specifications of the new subs?

I want to buy but just like when I buy a pc, a car, a cell phone or any other investment I also want to know the technical characteristics of the new line of subwoofers that PSA is producing. I've been tempted to put my pre-order but really that much as I trust Tom it is necessary to compare his new Subs against those of the other companies before paying> $ 2500
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When they are going to publish the specifications of the new subs?

I want to buy but just like when I buy a pc, a car, a cell phone or any other investment I also want to know the technical characteristics of the new line of subwoofers that PSA is producing. I've been tempted to put my pre-order but really that much as I trust Tom it is necessary to compare his new Subs against those of the other companies before paying> $ 2500
I don't know much(anything) about website updating so that's not going to happen anytime soon. As soon as I have any free time I'll try to address that---we're even doing some cost analysis on souping things up to a fully dedicated site that would be a significant upgrade over what we have now. The main issue there is---I can't worry about more exposure or generating more interest in products until we have the production capabilities to match. So the primary focus is bottom-up so to speak. Let's get the foundation in place for proper expansion and then, something tells me, the sales will be the easier aspect of it all.

As far as "specs" I think I've covered that as it's really pretty simple. But I admit not having it on a webpage can be confusing.

The cabinets are done and nothing amazing. Just a big box with a big port.

The amps are our in house proprietary ICE 1920w platform.

The 3 woofer options are our base 18 which we've been using with excellent results for 2+ years, and the well documented B&C neo/ipal options.

Here's what the assembly area looked like when I called it a night a short while ago. Couple of the new models with me popping new ports in/out and new woofers in/out for some DSP checks/fun.

And another shot showing how much inventory we've been gathering to try to "keep ahead of it" as much as possible. There's a whole lot of neo from Italy in that photo..

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i cant be the only one that looked at toms warehouse photos and got that happy/excited feeling, like a kid in a candy shop.
i cant wait for these things to come out.

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i cant be the only one that looked at toms warehouse photos and got that happy/excited feeling, like a kid in a candy shop.
i cant wait for these things to come out.
Yeah, I am on standby for my phone call/email from Tom Im pretty sure Ill drop what I am doing and make the 1 hr trip to Mineral Ridge, Ohio. "Sorry science students, I know we have exams in 2 days but something urgent has come up and I have to leave for the day"

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I don't know much(anything) about website updating so that's not going to happen anytime soon. As soon as I have any free time I'll try to address that---we're even doing some cost analysis on souping things up to a fully dedicated site that would be a significant upgrade over what we have now. The main issue there is---I can't worry about more exposure or generating more interest in products until we have the production capabilities to match. So the primary focus is bottom-up so to speak. Let's get the foundation in place for proper expansion and then, something tells me, the sales will be the easier aspect of it all.



As far as "specs" I think I've covered that as it's really pretty simple. But I admit not having it on a webpage can be confusing.



The cabinets are done and nothing amazing. Just a big box with a big port.



The amps are our in house proprietary ICE 1920w platform.



The 3 woofer options are our base 18 which we've been using with excellent results for 2+ years, and the well documented B&C neo/ipal options.



Here's what the assembly area looked like when I called it a night a short while ago. Couple of the new models with me popping new ports in/out and new woofers in/out for some DSP checks/fun.



And another shot showing how much inventory we've been gathering to try to "keep ahead of it" as much as possible. There's a whole lot of neo from Italy in that photo..



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Hi, any of our subs are fine in any practical orientation. The main consideration is if a port and/or woofer ends up facing directly at a wall or large piece of furniture I'd keep 2 inches of spacing minimum.

As far as new speaker designs go...it wouldn't surprise me if those roll over into early 2020 for intros. We have a variety of new stuff we're working on but being limited to say 100 hour weeks...the reality is 3rd/4th quarter 2019 is best case. And no matter how excited we get about new ideas nothing will be rushed to meet any self imposed deadline. The new designs range from cost-no-concern fully active to smaller 5.0/7.0 passive systems that will be <$1000 complete. And while there will be "in between" to those extremes to be sure I wouldn't assume anything that will be similar in concept or pricing to the current lineup. Those are selling faster than we can assemble/QC/Box and ship. So that popularity gives some pause into thinking about messing with that success..



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When they are going to publish the specifications of the new subs?

I want to buy but just like when I buy a pc, a car, a cell phone or any other investment I also want to know the technical characteristics of the new line of subwoofers that PSA is producing. I've been tempted to put my pre-order but really that much as I trust Tom it is necessary to compare his new Subs against those of the other companies before paying> $ 2500

Hi,

I sympathize with your interest in having technical specifications for the new subs, before you buy. By that, I think you mean that you want to see measurement data indicating how the subwoofers perform at particular frequencies. I am sure that you will see that data at some point, but even as a non-PSA owner, I fully understand why that isn't a priority right now for PSA. Especially since the pre-orders are going so well.

FWIW, I think that there is always some element of trust involved when a new product is introduced. I always try to read reviews of everything from cars to smartphones when new models are introduced. But, if I find a brand I like, I typically have good results from newer models from that brand. Again speaking as a non-PSA owner, I honestly don't think it is a giant leap of faith to think that two good 18" drivers in a large cabinet, pushed by ~2000 watts RMS, with a 13.5Hz port tune, will be a terrific sub for someone interested in more <30Hz performance than the current V3611's offer.

The cabinet size, amplifier power, and port tune sort of speak for themselves. And, there are reviews of the Neo and iPal drivers, employed in the two higher-tier models, on Data-Bass and elsewhere. I believe that the newer low-tuned subwoofers (and especially the higher-tier models) will retain much of the current PSA sound signature and mid-bass performance while comparing very favorably with the Cap 2400ULF down to about 12.5Hz. I could be wrong about that, but I'm willing to bet that I'm not.

You may still want to wait until there is some hard performance data from PSA, or from some PSA owners, to review. But, if you do, you will probably miss the pre-order pricing. I understand the dilemma and understand why you and others may wish to wait. But, I thought it might be helpful for a non-PSA owner to express an opinion on this. If I were in the market for new low-tuned subs, the iPal (especially) or the Neo versions of the TV3600 would be right up at the top of my list, along with Cap 2400ULF's and FV25HP's. And, if I liked the PSA sound signature and CS, it would be a pretty easy decision for me.

I hope this helps someone!

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I didnt even notice that!! Yeah , I dont think I need those in my house .... But I want them...
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When they are going to publish the specifications of the new subs?

I want to buy but just like when I buy a pc, a car, a cell phone or any other investment I also want to know the technical characteristics of the new line of subwoofers that PSA is producing. I've been tempted to put my pre-order but really that much as I trust Tom it is necessary to compare his new Subs against those of the other companies before paying> $ 2500
You can order the sub now ( pre-order price) and tell Tom you will wait until the June shipment. I would think Tom would have all the output numbers per sub available before June's shipment so then you can decide to either keep your order or cancel it.
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