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TV = Tom Vodhanel?
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That was my guess when the model names were revealed...

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What's the T stand for by any chance? And is there a diff port tune for each of the 3? I think I read 13.5 somewhere?

So you moved up to the top tier, nice! I'm guessing you're going to save up for another one down the road?
No idea what the T stands for. My guess would be Tube vented vs their regular vented subs.
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How are you guys all seeing what PSA is offering, regarding these new drivers? I saw Tom's post on Facebook a while ago about the Neo and Ipal drivers and I tried searching this thread and read a bunch of posts but was unable to find any specific model specs/sales/configurations. I realize he's just getting started with this and obviously hasn't had a chance to update the PSA website, so is there anywhere I can see a list of these new subs?

Also, are there any plans to use the Ipal in a dual opposing sealed box? That would be about all I'm really interested in. (although I'd still like to see other offerings)

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How are you guys all seeing what PSA is offering, regarding these new drivers? I saw Tom's post on Facebook a while ago about the Neo and Ipal drivers and I tried searching this thread and read a bunch of posts but was unable to find any specific model specs/sales/configurations. I realize he's just getting started with this and obviously hasn't had a chance to update the PSA website, so is there anywhere I can see a list of these new subs?

Also, are there any plans to use the Ipal in a dual opposing sealed box? That would be about all I'm really interested in. (although I'd still like to see other offerings)

-thanks, Brian

The only info is what he has posted on Facebook on April 20th (and reposted here on the 20th as well). There you will find the configurations available and pricing. No specs yet. There are also pics on Facebook. No plans for a sealed version. Many have stated that the ipals won't do well in a sealed environment.
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Many have stated that the ipals won't do well in a sealed environment.
Go big or go home:

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The only info is what he has posted on Facebook on April 20th (and reposted here on the 20th as well). There you will find the configurations available and pricing. No specs yet. There are also pics on Facebook. No plans for a sealed version. Many have stated that the ipals won't do well in a sealed environment.
And who is that many that have stated??? If you look at databass you will see they have tested 21 inch ipals in dual opposed sealed enclosure.

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And who is that many that have stated??? If you look at databass you will see they have tested 21 inch ipals in dual opposed sealed enclosure.

Not trying to step on toes here but I believe Tom V. stated it himself a while back. I think it was from his own independent tests. I could be wrong, though.


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Tom never said that....Gorilla Killa did. When I talked to Tom he made it sound like IPAL's would work in a dual opposed alignment.
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How are you guys all seeing what PSA is offering, regarding these new drivers? I saw Tom's post on Facebook a while ago about the Neo and Ipal drivers and I tried searching this thread and read a bunch of posts but was unable to find any specific model specs/sales/configurations. I realize he's just getting started with this and obviously hasn't had a chance to update the PSA website, so is there anywhere I can see a list of these new subs?

Also, are there any plans to use the Ipal in a dual opposing sealed box? That would be about all I'm really interested in. (although I'd still like to see other offerings)

-thanks, Brian
"The amplifier is our 1920w platform. I can make the argument it is putting out more power but I'm really not worried about trying to market these. At the moment interest is way beyond anything I could have hoped for anyway.

* The cabinet is the same for all three options. Two front firing 18s, single down firing 6 inch flared port, full face grill. 20x26x48( WxDxH ).

Tune is 13.5hz +/- 0.5hz.

FR is (+/-3) 15hz-150hz anechoic. 7-10hz pressurization in all but the largest rooms.

Cea-2010 will be finalized as weather/time allows. I will say along with the dramatic increase in 10-20hz performance we haven't sacrificed much mid and upper bass impact. There's *some* trade off of course, that is just physics. But even if you put the base version next to a V3611 you would be hard pressed to notice this. This is due to the fact that the V3611 was such a mid/upper bass entity that even if you lose a couple/few dB there it's hard to find source material and listening levels where it's jumps out at you.

The woofer options are as follows--- There are three.

TV36 = standard 18 inch woofers we've been using with outstanding results for quite a while now. Full details on available on any current 18 inch based product page on the website.
$2199 pre-order. $2599 is the estimated regular pricing.
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TV36neo = A high end Neo woofer from Italy(B&C). Exceptional distortion control, exceptionally strong motor, build quality and power handling/thermal limits are far beyond anything we've offered to date.
$2599 pre-order. $2999 is the estimated regular pricing.
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4
This one sound a bit different than the base version. Better overall. Similar <25hz to the base version but this driver is such a beast in efficiency it goes toe-toe with the V3611 in 40-100hz without breaking a sweat. So my one line description would be.
~ The TV36neo give you all of the violent mid and upper bass of the V3611 while pressurizing the room down to 10hz and below.
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TV36ipal + Ipal 18" woofer. Arguably the highest quality 18 inch woofer available anywhere, at any price.
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And who is that many that have stated??? If you look at databass you will see they have tested 21 inch ipals in dual opposed sealed enclosure.

Here are just a couple that have chimed on on the topic...

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The Qts on the Ipal is way to low to be putting it in a sealed box. The motor and q are meant for ported. You would be leaving way too much on the table. You could do it but there are better options including what PSA already offers.

I guess you could do a 3way but the Bms18 would be a better option.

Maybe Tom could offer a 25hz tuned Horn
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I thought about that too but the B&C drivers are more geared toward ported/vented in a large box if you want to get the most out of them. Click the link below and compare B&C's 21inch Neo vs a UM18-22 in a sealed cabinet and below 50hz the UM18-22 wins and we are talking a 21inch driver vs an 18inch driver.

https://data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=72&mset=78

Personally, I don't know if ipals would be an improvement in a sealed box or not. Just stating what I have read and that from all reports Tom does not plan on a sealed version at this time.
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Just popped my cherry! Upgraded from a SVS PB12-NSD to a V1510. I love this thing huge improvement over my old sub! can't wait to get a 2nd one. I feel insignificant compared to all what you guys have here! Next upgrade will be to get rid of my SVS prime bookshelves and Prime center for some PSA MT110 L&R & MTM 210C.

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Just popped my cherry! Upgraded from a SVS PB12-NSD to a V1510. I love this thing huge improvement over my old sub! can't wait to get a 2nd one. I feel insignificant compared to all what you guys have here! Next upgrade will be to get rid of my SVS prime bookshelves and Prime center for some PSA MT110 L&R & MTM 210C.

Thanks again Tom V!
Most of us started off similarly. I actually started out with that same pb12 nsd then moved up to the v18 after that, and again after that, and maybe next year I'll be upgrading again. This forum will drown you, but you'll be too busy loving the bass to care lol
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Most of us started off similarly. I actually started out with that same pb12 nsd then moved up to the v18 after that, and again after that, and maybe next year I'll be upgrading again. This forum will drown you, but you'll be too busy loving the bass to care lol
Awesome thanks! Yeah im definitely gonna get another V1510. Later on once I buy a bigger house with a dedicated home theater room then ill upgrade to something larger.

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"The amplifier is our 1920w platform. I can make the argument it is putting out more power but I'm really not worried about trying to market these. At the moment interest is way beyond anything I could have hoped for anyway.

* The cabinet is the same for all three options. Two front firing 18s, single down firing 6 inch flared port, full face grill. 20x26x48( WxDxH ).

Tune is 13.5hz +/- 0.5hz.

FR is (+/-3) 15hz-150hz anechoic. 7-10hz pressurization in all but the largest rooms.

Cea-2010 will be finalized as weather/time allows. I will say along with the dramatic increase in 10-20hz performance we haven't sacrificed much mid and upper bass impact. There's *some* trade off of course, that is just physics. But even if you put the base version next to a V3611 you would be hard pressed to notice this. This is due to the fact that the V3611 was such a mid/upper bass entity that even if you lose a couple/few dB there it's hard to find source material and listening levels where it's jumps out at you.

The woofer options are as follows--- There are three.

TV36 = standard 18 inch woofers we've been using with outstanding results for quite a while now. Full details on available on any current 18 inch based product page on the website.
$2199 pre-order. $2599 is the estimated regular pricing.
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TV36neo = A high end Neo woofer from Italy(B&C). Exceptional distortion control, exceptionally strong motor, build quality and power handling/thermal limits are far beyond anything we've offered to date.
$2599 pre-order. $2999 is the estimated regular pricing.
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4
This one sound a bit different than the base version. Better overall. Similar <25hz to the base version but this driver is such a beast in efficiency it goes toe-toe with the V3611 in 40-100hz without breaking a sweat. So my one line description would be.
~ The TV36neo give you all of the violent mid and upper bass of the V3611 while pressurizing the room down to 10hz and below.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TV36ipal + Ipal 18" woofer. Arguably the highest quality 18 inch woofer available anywhere, at any price.
$2999 pre-order. $3599 is the estimated regular pricing.
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal
The cleanest, most linear, strongest motor woofer I have ever used/measured...and there's been nothing even remotely close. The sound quality reflects this as well. I'm not going to wax poetically, that's always been difficult. But our proprietary ICE design match with IPAL technology is truly something special."
I just had to quote this again because I just down after a long exhausting weekend and I read this and suddenly I felt refreshed and rejuvenated as the butterfly's started flipping in my stomach. I hadn't read this in a long time and it was very fun to re-read these descriptions.

I haven't had a subwoofer in my HT since the end of February(?). And now I'm just days away from dual TV36 iPals. It's so close yet so far! I now find myself chanting: "Just a few more days.... Just a few more days... Just a few more days... as I walk around trying to control the nervous tick I've developed over the past few months. But things are about to change!

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I just had to quote this again because I just down after a long exhausting weekend and I read this and suddenly I felt refreshed and rejuvenated as the butterfly's started flipping in my stomach. I hadn't read this in a long time and it was very fun to re-read these descriptions.

I haven't had a subwoofer in my HT since the end of February(?). And now I'm just days away from dual TV36 iPals. It's so close yet so far! I now find myself chanting: "Just a few more days.... Just a few more days... Just a few more days... as I walk around trying to control the nervous tick I've developed over the past few months. But things are about to change!
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^ LOL...Exactly.

That's the movie I had in mind when I wrote that post because I'm kind of beginning to feel that way. Just a few more days.
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Just popped my cherry! Upgraded from a SVS PB12-NSD to a V1510. I love this thing huge improvement over my old sub! can't wait to get a 2nd one. I feel insignificant compared to all what you guys have here! Next upgrade will be to get rid of my SVS prime bookshelves and Prime center for some PSA MT110 L&R & MTM 210C.

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those are great subs! I think I actually liked the V1510's a little bit better than the V1801's. The V15 is in a bigger box than the V18 and a 3" smaller woofer just really allowed it to dig deep! Of course the V18 would just pound your fillings out at higher frequencies , the V15's are a definite treat!
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those are great subs! I think I actually liked the V1510's a little bit better than the V1801's. The V15 is in a bigger box than the V18 and a 3" smaller woofer just really allowed it to dig deep! Of course the V18 would just pound your fillings out at higher frequencies , the V15's are a definite treat!
Thanks! This thing is amazing. I'm at a loss of words on how amazing sub is... I was very impressed with my PB12-NSD...but the V1510 is on a whole other level. I'll definitely be a PSA customer for life. The fit, finish, bulid quality & customer service is uncanny.

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Thanks! This thing is amazing. I'm at a loss of words on how amazing sub is... I was very impressed with my PB12-NSD...but the V1510 is on a whole other level. I'll definitely be a PSA customer for life. The fit, finish, bulid quality & customer service is uncanny.

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Yup...I went thru the whole SVS line from Sb2000 , PC2000 , PC12+ and finally jumped ship to the V1510's , then V1801s , and now 3 S3601s with an S3000i.....I do recommend SVS still as a sub under $700 or so , but once someone gets into the $1K area I start to lean towards PSA and a few other ID subs. PSA is my favorite of course , but I try not to be "that guy" that only recommends his subs.
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Yup...I went thru the whole SVS line from Sb2000 , PC2000 , PC12+ and finally jumped ship to the V1510's , then V1801s , and now 3 S3601s with an S3000i.....I do recommend SVS still as a sub under $700 or so , but once someone gets into the $1K area I start to lean towards PSA and a few other ID subs. PSA is my favorite of course , but I try not to be "that guy" that only recommends his subs.
I agree. SVS is still great for entry level subs. I also had the chance to listen to a couple of rythmiks which are amazing. I even though about building my own sub...but with a 4 yr & 18month old kid...yeah thats not gonna happen anytime soon lol

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