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@Tom , would you mind shining some light on the situation regarding EU orders? A friend of mine ordered a V3611 six months ago from Kalibrate (UK retailer), paid for half of it and he still has no idea when he is going to get the product. Six months is quite a long time. The contact from Kalibrate has said that there are some shipping issues and you do not respond to their emails.
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@Tom , would you mind shining some light on the situation regarding EU orders? A friend of mine ordered a V3611 six months ago from Kalibrate (UK retailer), paid for half of it and he still has no idea when he is going to get the product. Six months is quite a long time. The contact from Kalibrate has said that there are some shipping issues and you do not respond to their emails.
Something is bit fishy here. Why doesn't your friend email Tom himself? Why is he just sitting around taking Kalibrate's word on something while they hold his money? Tom has the best customer service in the industry, your friend could very quickly get to the bottom of this if he took the initiative to do so.
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Mobile isn't quoting you but anyway.

I ask for him because his english is not very good.

Why do you think he hasn't done anything about it? Avsforum is our last resort since no other way of contact has been of any use. Kalibrate takes 2-3 weeks to respond to emails and when they do, all they say is that they have asked psa about the deliveries but get no answer from psa. Its no use asking Kalibrate because they dont know anything. We also tried psa's facebook chat but they just redirected us to Kalibrate. Thats why we are asking here
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@Tom , would you mind shining some light on the situation regarding EU orders? A friend of mine ordered a V3611 six months ago from Kalibrate (UK retailer), paid for half of it and he still has no idea when he is going to get the product. Six months is quite a long time. The contact from Kalibrate has said that there are some shipping issues and you do not respond to their emails.
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I really hope your friend gets this resolved with Tom, which by the way, brings up my observation...

You didn't actually alert @Tom Vodhanel with a mention, but someone by the name of Tom Fleming.

I have taken the liberty to do so to hopefully expedite your friend's V3611 shipping delay.
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Oh, whoops. Well thank you for that. This "enhanced mobile view" isn't actually that enhancing...
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@Tom , would you mind shining some light on the situation regarding EU orders? A friend of mine ordered a V3611 six months ago from Kalibrate (UK retailer), paid for half of it and he still has no idea when he is going to get the product. Six months is quite a long time. The contact from Kalibrate has said that there are some shipping issues and you do not respond to their emails.
We have no confirmed orders in place from any of our distributors. There are no "shipping issues" because we have no orders.

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I see. So Kalibrate is scamming people. Good to know. May i suggest a different distributor?
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I won't know that for weeks or maybe months.

I literally bolted a couple drivers to a box and spent a little while running some CLIO+Sigma stuff to see what I had to work with.

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I see. So Kalibrate is scamming people. Good to know. May i suggest a different distributor?
Hmmmm... very interesting... and it seems this is their online storefront:

https://www.chromapure.co.uk/products.asp

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Hmmmm... very interesting... and it seems this is their online storefront:



https://www.chromapure.co.uk/products.asp

They have perfect feedback on their Amazon UK profile, and nothing shady pops up under their business listings and incorporated information. Seems legit if this is indeed the same business. Something strange indeed. Hope they get it resolved.
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Hopinator, is your room presentable enough to show pictures of where you're planning to place the TV36s when they arrive?
Okay, spent the day getting ready for Monday's delivery of the TV36 iPals. Since moving to the large subs I found the back of the room works pretty well for me and I have all the room in the world to play with. If you look on the floor you will see tape marking where each subwoofer goes. I will probably start with these locations but I do plan on trying other locations along the rear wall.

I've had issues with my Windows computer but I think I have everything straightened out so I'll have REW up and running to allow me to better play with different locations but honestly the locations I've used in the past give a pretty decent response. And that left corner loaded sub location delivers some serious bass.

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Okay, spent the day getting ready for Monday's delivery of the TV36 iPals. Since moving to the large subs I found the back of the room works pretty well for me and I have all the room in the world to play with. If you look on the floor you will see tape marking where each subwoofer goes. I will probably start with these locations but I do plan on trying other locations along the rear wall.



I've had issues with my Windows computer but I think I have everything straightened out so I'll have REW up and running to allow me to better play with different locations but honestly the locations I've used in the past give a pretty decent response. And that left corner loaded sub location delivers some serious bass.



Below is the photo you asked for.


I am having all sorts of issues with REW and UMIK. Readings are all over the place. Checked with SPL meter and UMIK was reading 8-9db lower. It’s been sitting in its box for about a month. Not sure what is going on.


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Okay, spent the day getting ready for Monday's delivery of the TV36 iPals. Since moving to the large subs I found the back of the room works pretty well for me and I have all the room in the world to play with. If you look on the floor you will see tape marking where each subwoofer goes. I will probably start with these locations but I do plan on trying other locations along the rear wall.

I've had issues with my Windows computer but I think I have everything straightened out so I'll have REW up and running to allow me to better play with different locations but honestly the locations I've used in the past give a pretty decent response. And that left corner loaded sub location delivers some serious bass.

Below is the photo you asked for.
Shoot, you've got me thinking I've realllllly underprepared for my delivery on Monday. I should at least get the old subs out of the way and move the couch..

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Check your Windows mic volume settings, that will make it read way off if not set correctly. I forget where it's supposed to be, 0.0 dB I think?
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Shoot, you've got me thinking I've realllllly underprepared for my delivery on Monday. I should at least get the old subs out of the way and move the couch..







Check your Windows mic volume settings, that will make it read way off if not set correctly. I forget where it's supposed to be, 0.0 dB I think?


Yeah. Everything seems in order. Also the difference between the C and Z weighted seems to be a not more at lower SPL compared to higher. Something is off but can’t figure out how and what happened


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They have perfect feedback on their Amazon UK profile, and nothing shady pops up under their business listings and incorporated information. Seems legit if this is indeed the same business. Something strange indeed. Hope they get it resolved.
It's someone saying something to someone who is saying something to someone else who made the post here. And in the middle of all that we have at least two languages involved as well.

So let's save the pitchforks for a bit and preferably have the parties involved settle this privately.

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Yeah. Everything seems in order. Also the difference between the C and Z weighted seems to be a not more at lower SPL compared to higher. Something is off but can’t figure out how and what happened
My own REW got 'out of whack' a couple months ago, with readings like 30 dB too high and reported clipping at very low levels. I tried resetting settings, reloading the mic cal file, nothing helped. I finally installed the latest REW on top of the existing install, and it worked fine after that.

Tom, I bought two sets of these https://www.amazon.com/SuperSliders-.../dp/B001W6Q4VA to go under the TV36 feet to help move them into position. Is it OK to leave them under the subs, or will the slight extra height affect the port interaction with the floor?
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Quick question. I'm running an S3000i and an S3600i in a room that's 3.7m x 2.4m with 2.8m ceilings.
The 3000 is at the front center and gives me lumpy but solid output down to ~7Hz. The 3600 gives me enormous amounts of power, but only down to about 12Hz when it starts dropping off sharply. To EQ it flat I need to take off about 15dB across a 50Hz range, which doesn't sound like a sensible plan.

Ricky at Kalibrate did tell me that the 18s wouldn't go as low as the 15s but I either wasn't listening or assumed it must be wrong.

I now have the option to swap the 3600 for two 1500s. My current thinking is that they'll go deeper and integrate better with the 3000. I do love the absolute power of the 3600 though.
What are people's thoughts and opinions on the swap?

My processor will handle 7.3 with independent EQ on each sub channel (5 band PEQ per channel).
Listening is mostly 80/20 movies and music is everything from EDM to Jazz, classical, industrial, soul, and disco.

Thanks!
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Quick question. I'm running an S3000i and an S3600i in a room that's 3.7m x 2.4m with 2.8m ceilings.
The 3000 is at the front center and gives me lumpy but solid output down to ~7Hz. The 3600 gives me enormous amounts of power, but only down to about 12Hz when it starts dropping off sharply. To EQ it flat I need to take off about 15dB across a 50Hz range, which doesn't sound like a sensible plan.

Ricky at Kalibrate did tell me that the 18s wouldn't go as low as the 15s but I either wasn't listening or assumed it must be wrong.

I now have the option to swap the 3600 for two 1500s. My current thinking is that they'll go deeper and integrate better with the 3000. I do love the absolute power of the 3600 though.
What are people's thoughts and opinions on the swap?

My processor will handle 7.3 with independent EQ on each sub channel (5 band PEQ per channel).
Listening is mostly 80/20 movies and music is everything from EDM to Jazz, classical, industrial, soul, and disco.

Thanks!
I could've originally got some S3600s, but I have to admit... the lower extension of the S3000i is what drew me in. And that's why I now have two of them! So I'm pretty sure you know what I'll suggest! But ultimately, it's up to you if you'd rather sacrifice the mid-range power of the S3600 for a little more lower end of the two S1500s.
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Pretty sure @Mike Butny mentioned losing some extension going from 15 to 18 as well so yeah I guess it does come down to giving up the increased mid power of the V3600 to switch to 15".

Is a 2nd S3000i not available? I too am running 2 of those and they kick ass. Not to mention the increased difficulty of properly placing and adjusting 3 subs vs 2
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Tom, I bought two sets of these https://www.amazon.com/SuperSliders-.../dp/B001W6Q4VA to go under the TV36 feet to help move them into position. Is it OK to leave them under the subs, or will the slight extra height affect the port interaction with the floor?

Although I'm no expert, I don't think it will be a problem as I believe Tom has stated that you can operate the subs on their sides - meaning a lot of clearance.

I purchased some super sliders for mine as well and plan on leaving them in place too. I did, however, purchase much smaller ones in an attempt have them less noticeable. I purchased two sizes, 1 1/8" and 1 11/16" as I was not sure how big the feet are. I have some 3 1/2" ones as well as a backup if these end up being too small.
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The ones I got are stupidly big, now that you mention. I just ordered some of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B42FFGN to use instead, I might paint them black depending how they look.
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Quick question. I'm running an S3000i and an S3600i in a room that's 3.7m x 2.4m with 2.8m ceilings.
The 3000 is at the front center and gives me lumpy but solid output down to ~7Hz. The 3600 gives me enormous amounts of power, but only down to about 12Hz when it starts dropping off sharply. To EQ it flat I need to take off about 15dB across a 50Hz range, which doesn't sound like a sensible plan.

Ricky at Kalibrate did tell me that the 18s wouldn't go as low as the 15s but I either wasn't listening or assumed it must be wrong.

I now have the option to swap the 3600 for two 1500s. My current thinking is that they'll go deeper and integrate better with the 3000. I do love the absolute power of the 3600 though.
What are people's thoughts and opinions on the swap?

My processor will handle 7.3 with independent EQ on each sub channel (5 band PEQ per channel).
Listening is mostly 80/20 movies and music is everything from EDM to Jazz, classical, industrial, soul, and disco.

Thanks!
Why not get a S3010 which is basically another S3000i? Will be cheaper than two 1500's too.

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The ones I got are stupidly big, now that you mention. I just ordered some of these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B42FFGN to use instead, I might paint them black depending how they look.

These are the ones I purchased (1 1/8" and 1 11/16" for carpet). They also make them for hardwood. https://www.amazon.com/SuperSliders-...3&sr=1-29&th=1
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Why not get a S3010 which is basically another S3000i? Will be cheaper than two 1500's too.
He's in the UK I think, they probably don't have the S3010 in stock yet (and it sounds like they have no orders on the way from PSA HQ)
The s1500s were likely offered because its what Kalibrate still have in stock (we have a similar situation in Australia)
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5 weeks of laying awake at night trying to figure out the root cause of an issue with a new woofer design I've been trying to optimize. I could, quite easily, bandaid the issue to make it inaudible...but WHY was it there in the first place?

Five. Frikken. Weeks.


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Pretty sure @Mike Butny mentioned losing some extension going from 15 to 18 as well so yeah I guess it does come down to giving up the increased mid power of the V3600 to switch to 15".

Is a 2nd S3000i not available? I too am running 2 of those and they kick ass. Not to mention the increased difficulty of properly placing and adjusting 3 subs vs 2
I was hoping for a 3000, a 3010, or a 3011 but what's come up so far (and it hasn't been long) is 2 x 1500. I could wait, there's no rush.
I'd probably run them back to back, so a similar layout to the 3000, but obviously smaller cabinets. In a room of my size I don't have a lot of placement options. I also don't have a need for 4 x 15"+ drivers, but, well, let's not get into that

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Why not get a S3010 which is basically another S3000i? Will be cheaper than two 1500's too.
There's no cost to me as it's a straight swap, a 3600 for 2 x 1500. I think I'm losing out a little though as the 3600 retailed for more than 2 x 1500. I paid £1400 for the 3600 and I'd probably pay £500+ for each 1500 used, so it's not unreasonable.

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He's in the UK I think, they probably don't have the S3010 in stock yet (and it sounds like they have no orders on the way from PSA HQ)
The s1500s were likely offered because its what Kalibrate still have in stock (we have a similar situation in Australia)
Correct, I'm in the UK. I didn't approach Kalibrate actually, that's a good idea and I'm not sure why I didn't think to do that.

I think I'm leaning towards waiting for a 3010 or 3011. There's little response here to suggest that this is a brilliant deal and I should jump at it so I'll probably wait, or not change - for now.

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I was hoping for a 3000, a 3010, or a 3011 but what's come up so far (and it hasn't been long) is 2 x 1500. I could wait, there's no rush.
I'd probably run them back to back, so a similar layout to the 3000, but obviously smaller cabinets. In a room of my size I don't have a lot of placement options. I also don't have a need for 4 x 15"+ drivers, but, well, let's not get into that



There's no cost to me as it's a straight swap, a 3600 for 2 x 1500. I think I'm losing out a little though as the 3600 retailed for more than 2 x 1500. I paid £1400 for the 3600 and I'd probably pay £500+ for each 1500 used, so it's not unreasonable.



Correct, I'm in the UK. I didn't approach Kalibrate actually, that's a good idea and I'm not sure why I didn't think to do that.

I think I'm leaning towards waiting for a 3010 or 3011. There's little response here to suggest that this is a brilliant deal and I should jump at it so I'll probably wait, or not change - for now.

Thanks for all the comments and advice.
If you have placement options for 2 subs in the rear and the equipment (and patience) to integrate the 3 subs together, I think the 2 x S1500's is a great idea personally.
They look to have a very similar FR to the S3000i.
Alternatively you could put them up front and place your existing S3000 near field

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If you have placement options for 2 subs in the rear and the equipment (and patience) to integrate the 3 subs together, I think the 2 x S1500's is a great idea personally.
They look to have a very similar FR to the S3000i.
This really is the key. BH has had 3 XV15 for many years with over the top results, but it took placement options, time and effort to get there.

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I'd probably run them back to back, so a similar layout to the 3000, but obviously smaller cabinets.
2 S15 back to back wont have the same response as as the 2 drivers are in the same cabinet. I would be interested in the difference in output and response between the 2 situations but I would lean towards 1 S3000 or S3010 over 2 S1500 back to back. The 2 s1500 will have to be dialed in to each other while the S30xx has already optimized the 2 drivers to work together
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This really is the key. BH has had 3 XV15 for many years with over the top results, but it took placement options, time and effort to get there.


2 S15 back to back wont have the same response as as the 2 drivers are in the same cabinet. I would be interested in the difference in output and response between the 2 situations but I would lean towards 1 S3000 or S3010 over 2 S1500 back to back. The 2 s1500 will have to be dialed in to each other while the S30xx has already optimized the 2 drivers to work together
I'm happy to move things around, time align, and EQ the three subs individually and as a group. I'm pretty familiar with the FR and waterfall aspects of REW and I've read the minidsp multi sub optimizer guides and didn't get too overwhelmed. I also played with MSO but I didn't get the results I was expecting. I don't have that many placement options though. It's a small room. I have the back wall, and some of the front wall, and that's about it. Front center gets a good response whatever I put there. So does back center. I could stack them, and I could corner site one of them, or stack them in a corner!

I get that two 1500 won't behave in the same way as a 3000. I've been looking at the specs and the amp in the 1500 is less than half the power of the amp in the 3000, and the quoted frequency response is 2Hz higher at 19 instead of 17. Given that depth is what I'm looking for, maybe it doesn't make sense on paper. I'd be moving from the 3600 which quotes 17Hz (and is -3db at 11Hz) to something that will probably get me to about 8Hz, vs my 3000 which is -3 at 6Hz in room

So I think I'll reach out to Kalibrate and see if there's a 30xx floating about. A 3011 would be perfect, I think.
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