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TV36 iPals have arrived. A little scary moment because the top of one of the boxes was a little crushed but we opened it up and no visual damage (PHEW!).

Below are a few photos documenting the arrival, unloading and unpacking. My wife and I had no problem unloading them but it helps to have a dolly and a lift gate on the pickup.
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TV36 iPals have arrived. A little scary moment because the top of one of the boxes was a little crushed but we opened it up and no visual damage (PHEW!).



Below are a few photos documenting the arrival, unloading and unpacking. My wife and I had no problem unloading them but it helps to have a dolly and a lift gate on the pickup.


They are huge!


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And here are a couple of photos of the TV36 iPals with and without grills. And I decided to have Tom sign the amps for serial numbers 1 and 2 of the TV36's. Basshead had Tom do this for his speakers and I loved the idea. And the last photo is of the beautiful hoodie Tom included with the TV36's.

It's been a Looooooooong wait but the day is finally here. Time for me to go and set things up. I'll report back.
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It feels like some form of early Christmas. Can't wait to hear about your experience. And I'm sure I'm not the only one

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TV36 iPals have arrived. A little scary moment because the top of one of the boxes was a little crushed but we opened it up and no visual damage (PHEW!).

Below are a few photos documenting the arrival, unloading and unpacking. My wife and I had no problem unloading them but it helps to have a dolly and a lift gate on the pickup.
Damn Hop , got some guns!!! Looks like you needed them to move those beasts!!! I imagine they weigh more than the V36's , what about the 2400 you had??
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Wow!!! Speechless! Can't wait to hear your impressions Hop!
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Nice to see the box top lifting off, but are the subs in there upside down? Not sure how I'm going to flip them if so :/
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Good lord those things are monsters !! Set those bad boys up and lets us know some initial impressions


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And here are a couple of photos of the TV36 iPals with and without grills. And I decided to have Tom sign the amps for serial numbers 1 and 2 of the TV36's. Basshead had Tom do this for his speakers and I loved the idea. And the last photo is of the beautiful hoodie Tom included with the TV36's.

It's been a Looooooooong wait but the day is finally here. Time for me to go and set things up. I'll report back.
I can't wait to read your review!!!!!! Congrats Hop, those subs look great.

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And here are a couple of photos of the TV36 iPals with and without grills. And I decided to have Tom sign the amps for serial numbers 1 and 2 of the TV36's. Basshead had Tom do this for his speakers and I loved the idea. And the last photo is of the beautiful hoodie Tom included with the TV36's.

It's been a Looooooooong wait but the day is finally here. Time for me to go and set things up. I'll report back.
Those are so cute.

Just kidding Hop. Can't wait to hear your thoughts.
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And here are a couple of photos of the TV36 iPals with and without grills. And I decided to have Tom sign the amps for serial numbers 1 and 2 of the TV36's. Basshead had Tom do this for his speakers and I loved the idea. And the last photo is of the beautiful hoodie Tom included with the TV36's.

It's been a Looooooooong wait but the day is finally here. Time for me to go and set things up. I'll report back.
Cant be testing them yet. I have the windows open in NH and havnt heard them.
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I spent some time tonight playing with sweeps and I think I made progress. I reset my processor and set levels again (I need to re-do center). Working with the default arbitrary distance of 10' I swept everything with a timing reference (by using one of my rear surrounds as the timing reference I was able to use channel 1 as the sweep, so making use of the processor crossover but without using the mains) and adjusted the distances to get the timings right. I also set the mains crossover to 100Hz. Center is at 100as well, I think. Rears and Surrounds are at 120.

Here's my MDAT file: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aux8jloQk5bZhaNcHIKDWSW4FLtROg

This is with zero EQ, just playing with distances. Can someone take a look and tell me if I've got the impulse measurements about right?
Should I start my own thread, or am I ok talking about this here?

I suspect I'm going to get lost in the sea of awesomeness that is the dual Ipal subs! They look phenomenal.
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WOW, those dual TV36's are hugh and beautiful. I'm so excited for you Hop and can't wait for your impressions. Enjoy.
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TV36 iPals have arrived. A little scary moment because the top of one of the boxes was a little crushed but we opened it up and no visual damage (PHEW!).

Below are a few photos documenting the arrival, unloading and unpacking. My wife and I had no problem unloading them but it helps to have a dolly and a lift gate on the pickup.
I like the "holy fook" expression on your face in picture 5!
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TV36 iPals have arrived. A little scary moment because the top of one of the boxes was a little crushed but we opened it up and no visual damage (PHEW!).

Below are a few photos documenting the arrival, unloading and unpacking. My wife and I had no problem unloading them but it helps to have a dolly and a lift gate on the pickup.

I hate that feeling when you finally receive something you've been waiting for (usually expensive) and then you see it. A crushed corner or a forklift blade hole in the box. Your stomach drops! Glad they were OK Hop.

Well of course YOU had no problem, she's doing all the hard work! Definitely a keeper!

I'm sure your wait, as painful as it was, will be worth it when you fire these up. Grins from ear to ear. Congrats and enjoy!
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Signed sealed and delivered. Congrats @Hopinater !
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Holy crap, these are big, but more than that, they're fookin' heavy! Finally got them both in place. I almost put the one in the corner in drivers-first so the amp would be easier to reach, but wasn't sure if that was OK. I don't even have the energy to run Audyssey and mess with REW at the moment. Maybe tomorrow, maybe Saturday.



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Okay, I'm back with my first impressions of the TV36 iPal:

First... these things are pretty big. But this was the easiest set up I'ver done. Everything went right which is really nice considering what I went through back in February. I plugged everything in and turned on the system and... music to my ears... there was no ground loop hum, everything was as silent as could be. I expected this would be the case because I've never had a ground loop hum with PSA subs and their ICE amps but after what I experienced with the Speakerpower amps in the other subs back in February I still held my breath for a minute.

My goal was to set up the subs the same way I had V3601 and the 2400ULF's set up. This way I could do some sort of comparison as best as I could. Let me qualify everything by saying I'm very familiar with the V3601's but I had very limited time with the 2400ULFs so my memory of what they were like is not all that great. Some things stand out but it's limited I'm sure. I placed the TV36's exactly where I had my past subs, ran Audyssey with the room correction in the middle and then set them to large afterwards. Finally I set the trims 6dB hot. So far that's all I've done. Nothing fancy, I have not run REW so I have no idea what the current response looks like but I know what the response was like with other subs in those locations in the past so I have a good idea.

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I jumped right to movie demos first and circled back to music later. I played the well known bass scenes from War of the Worlds, Oblivion, BR 2049, Ender's Game, WWZ, John Wick, 13 Hours, The Force Awakens (I may be forgetting a few). So what do I think... Simply put I feel like I'm hearing bass differently than I've ever heard it before... and loving it!

These subs are tight and clean and clear and powerful and pressurize the room with an intensity different than I've ever heard before. While TV36 pressurizes the room with ULF in a similar manner to the 2400ULF it does so with a different sound signature. They both fill the room with all encompassing bass but their presence is not the same. I remember describing the 2400ULF's presence as ominous, which I really liked. Well the TV36 is not omnious but it is intense and powerful. I was flailing for words to describe it... then my oldest daughter said something that I think describes it really well, she described the bass as being like chocolate. "I said chocolate?" And she said, "Yes... it's rich and smooth." And that really is a good way of describing it. My youngest daughter described the pressure of the ULF as like being underwater with the bass flowing through you. Both of those are accurate.

But there is a lot more to these subs than low tuning and ULF capability. The mid-bass on these subs is something else all together. They seem to have more mid-bass than the V3601's and it's different. With a little extra nudge on the volume I started feeling light chest slam (no subs have ever given me that in my room before). And the tactile response from these subs is far beyond any sub I've ever had. My daughter looked at me and said: Dad! I can feel my chair shaking!" And I had to remind people at times that I didn't have the Crowsons on because the couch shook pretty good in some scenes.

MUSIC
Before I even played any music I already knew from the movie soundtracks that it was going to be very good. And it was. I played my normal Jazz and Rock and since I'm tired of writing I will simply say that these subs made music sound the best I've ever heard.

So all in all I'll just simply say (to me) the TV36 creates an atmosphere that encompasses you in a deep rich smooth intense bass that I found totally addicting... I couldn't stop playing demo scenes. I'll add this, the bass is so clean you get lost in it and I noticed bass I've never noticed before in some scenes. I don't know how else to describe it. And think about this, everyone in my family likes these subs and everyone in my family noticed the difference from all my past subs. Think about it... I live in a house with a wife and three daughters. Women don't tend to pick up on this type of stuff but they did with these.

Was it worth the wait? Every minute of it!

Okay... I'm going to go watch TRON with the family.
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Congrats Hop....I feel like I have a good idea what the TV36's were going to deliver and I had no doubt you'd be blown away by them. Awesome to hear your first impressions are so positive. Those pro drivers sure do pound on music don't they?
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Congratulations Hop,,, it's been a long wait and i'm happy to read what i was expecting in the results of the new beasts. Just the tip of the iceberg of what's to come with more time and source material,,, John Wick2 gunshots

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Congrats Hop....I feel like I have a good idea what the TV36's were going to deliver and I had no doubt you'd be blown away by them. Awesome to hear your first impressions are so positive. Those pro drivers sure do pound on music don't they?
Absolutely. They are a different animal all together. Very addictive.
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Exciting stuff! My favorite part is that if you look at the two pictures Hop posted of the 2 TV36s next to each other in empty space you can almost imagine you’re just looking at a pair of tall bookshelf speakers. Then you see the picture with him standing next to them and GOOD GOD THEY’RE HUGE.


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That's it. Must trade in s3601's. Can easily fit dual TV36 iPals behind my couch.
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Hi all, couple quick hits.

* I had the boxing done with the subs upside down because, to me, that would make it easier for one person to handle. Lift the top, ease the sub down onto carpet(on one of the flat sides with grill removed) using that machined nylon stand-offs as handles. Push to positioning, lift upright.

* I would start with the room size at mid point for these. They are so strong <25hz that unless the room is unusually large...mid point to small is sounding best imo.

* For anyone receiving them(another 4 should go out tomorrow) don't be shy about popping in your fav concert discs. These strike a nice balance between "War of the Worlds had the cops called on me, by my wife!" and " I felt like I was 7 inches from Bohnam's kick drum..."

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* I had the boxing done with the subs upside down because, to me, that would make it easier for one person to handle. Lift the top, ease the sub down onto carpet(on one of the flat sides with grill removed) using that machined nylon stand-offs as handles. Push to positioning, lift upright.



* I would start with the room size at mid point for these. They are so strong <25hz that unless the room is unusually large...mid point to small is sounding best imo.



* For anyone receiving them(another 4 should go out tomorrow) don't be shy about popping in your fav concert discs. These strike a nice balance between "War of the Worlds had the cops called on me, by my wife!" and " I felt like I was 7 inches from Bohnam's kick drum..."



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Looking at these pics of Ipals, makes me feel like my XV30FSE's could use a facelift. I have a Speaker Power 8000, it has a 6 in Port 🤔 I won't go any farther Tom, I can hear the eyeroll already. Nicely done with the new evolution of subs.
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Hop congrats on getting the bass you wanted and deserve with the TV 36 Ipals. Thanks for putting up the quite write-up of your impressions, and not making us wait too long.
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Hi all, couple quick hits.

* I had the boxing done with the subs upside down because, to me, that would make it easier for one person to handle. Lift the top, ease the sub down onto carpet(on one of the flat sides with grill removed) using that machined nylon stand-offs as handles. Push to positioning, lift upright.

* I would start with the room size at mid point for these. They are so strong <25hz that unless the room is unusually large...mid point to small is sounding best imo.

* For anyone receiving them(another 4 should go out tomorrow) don't be shy about popping in your fav concert discs. These strike a nice balance between "War of the Worlds had the cops called on me, by my wife!" and " I felt like I was 7 inches from Bohnam's kick drum..."

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Anyone that has a chance to see Sammy Hagar's current band, Full Circle (Sammy, Michael Anthony, Jason Bonham and Vic Johnson) do it. They are solid, kicking ass and playing some old music that I havnt heard live in forever. Montrose, Zeppelin, Van Hagar, Hagar and others that they might throw in on a given night. The current album (Space Between) has some good stuff on it as well.
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Okay so I watched Tron last night and now that I have one good bass movie under my belt I'll add a few more thoughts on the TV36 iPals.

1. This sub is really POWERFUL! My wife even said she thinks I don't need the Crowsons anymore because the subs are so powerful the couch shaking almost feels too much (I will go on record as saying that I like my Crowsons so they aren't going anywhere). But I will play with the RSC to try out different settings to see how that affects things. She also noted that she can FEEL the bass from this sub more than any other sub. And I don't just mean the tactile response... I mean you can FEEL the bass... like the force in Star Wars, it runs through you. It's really fun!

2. I think when you couple powerful ULF slam with powerful mid-bass you get what (IMHO) I believe can only be described as multi-dimensional bass. I'm totally taking a blind shot at describing things but perhaps because the subs aren't using up all their power to produce ULF and have plenty left to deliver the clean mid-bass you get ALL the bass the scene was intended to deliver with no compromises. It really does create a rich and very fulfilling effect that almost seems to me to be multi-dimensional.

Bottom line.... I'm quickly falling in love with these subs.

Subwoofers: PSA TV36 iPal X2 ...Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210C Center- PSA MT110SR's Surrounds - RSL C34E Atmos... Motion Actuators: Crowson Shadow 8 - X2
Video: Samsung UN65KS9000 4K SUHD - Oppo UDP-203... AVR:Denon X4400... Gaming: XBOX ONE S

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