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Got it, sorry guys.

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Does it vary with the gain control?
This hiss is almost inaudible. I don't want to play with the gain since I have everything dialed in right now but when I had the gain higher (pre-Audyssey) I never heard the hiss. I can't stress to you just how inaudible it is even with my ear next to the driver.

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Hop, is your crossover knob engaged on the sub? Also where is your sub gain knob approximately? Mine is at about 10 or 11 o'clock. Are you running the subs directly to the wall on the same circuit?
Crossover knob maxed out and thus disengaged. Sub gains between 9:00 and 10:00 and they are running on the same wall, same circuit. You literally have to have your ear almost on the fabric of the grill to pick it up and if you move your ear even less than an inch away from the sub you can't hear it. I would never have noticed it if you guys hadn't of mentioned it and I double checked just to make sure I was accurate. For all I know all my subs may have had this, I've never stuck my ear to the driver before in a dead silent room listening for a small hiss.

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I have a question for any and all. My cheap Windows computer pretty much doesn't play well with REW... like not at all. I usually use Mac computers and have a few that work great but I can't find a proper set up for REW for Macs anywhere, they used to exist but I can't find it. Does anyone know where a link might be for Macs. Also, does mini dsp work on Apple computers? If I can get things working on my Mac then I won't need to buy a Windows computer.

Another question. What's a good Windows computer (moderate price) that REW likes?
This isn't an issue of cheap vs good Windows computer. Most likely, you just have a driver issue causing REW not to work correctly. I didn't have any issues getting it to work, but I also manage a network of 20000 computers so I am used to working through driver issues. Can you elaborate on what happens when you try to use REW?

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This isn't an issue of cheap vs good Windows computer. Most likely, you just have a driver issue causing REW not to work correctly. I didn't have any issues getting it to work, but I also manage a network of 20000 computers so I am used to working through driver issues. Can you elaborate on what happens when you try to use REW?
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Ok, I have the V18s all packed up and ready to make the 9 hour drive to Ohio. Anyone see any issues with this making it to Ohio and the return trip with the TV36?
Ok, I have the V18s disconnected, boxed, and ready to make the trip to Ohio for real now (in a different vehicle of course). Watching the system with no subs connected sucks. Now I know what @hopinator; went through. Good thing this is a much shorter term issue for me.

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Ok, I have the V18s disconnected, boxed, and ready to make the trip to Ohio for real now (in a different vehicle of course). Watching the system with no subs connected sucks. Now I know what @hopinator; went through. Good thing this is a much shorter term issue for me.
Yes... I'm still in recovery therapy for my long bass withdrawal but the TV36's have helped me make tremendous progress. A couple more movies and I should be fully recovered.
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Ok, I have the V18s disconnected, boxed, and ready to make the trip to Ohio for real now (in a different vehicle of course). Watching the system with no subs connected sucks. Now I know what hopinator went through. Good thing this is a much shorter term issue for me.

When are you making the trip?
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This hiss is almost inaudible. I don't want to play with the gain since I have everything dialed in right now but when I had the gain higher (pre-Audyssey) I never heard the hiss. I can't stress to you just how inaudible it is even with my ear next to the driver.







Crossover knob maxed out and thus disengaged. Sub gains between 9:00 and 10:00 and they are running on the same wall, same circuit. You literally have to have your ear almost on the fabric of the grill to pick it up and if you move your ear even less than an inch away from the sub you can't hear it. I would never have noticed it if you guys hadn't of mentioned it and I double checked just to make sure I was accurate. For all I know all my subs may have had this, I've never stuck my ear to the driver before in a dead silent room listening for a small hiss.
Thanks for the feedback hop. You mention not hearing the hiss with Audessey off? I found that it was introducing a slight hiss in my surround speakers (volt 10s) and leave it off.

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Well it’s the end of an era I suppose. The S3601 and S3611are ready to go back and in the wrong boxes. Sorry Tom


The NEO’s arrive tomorrow.





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Well it’s the end of an era I suppose. The S3601 and S3611are ready to go back and in the wrong boxes. Sorry Tom


The NEO’s arrive tomorrow.

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Need help with dual TV36 ipal decision

I’d enjoy some feedback on upgrading my subwoofer configuration as I’m extremely interested in the TV36ipals and am trying to make a quick decision on ordering a pair of them.

I currently have a pair of S3600 subs located catty corner in a relatively small room (16’ wide x 12’ deep – approximately 1,700 cubic feet) that has a fair amount of acoustic treatment. I have Crowsons on all my theater chairs and am contemplating adding a BOSS system as the room is on a concrete floor.

The S3600s sound incredible but I feel like I might be missing some additional punch or tactile feedback that I think I might get from ported subs. Movies and gaming are 95% of our use and we generally watch movies at -10 dB or louder with the subs set at the equivalent of at least 0 dB or hotter no matter what the mains are at.

The TV36ipals sound incredible based on specs, Tom’s comments and feedback from @Hopinater and @ratbuddy and dual TV36s would likely be sensational. Another option could be to keep my existing S3600s and add one or 2 more S3611s. If I added 2 more S3611s, I would stack 2 in one corner, keep 1 in the existing catty-corner location and add the 4th to a 3rd corner in the room. I have a little bit more flexibility with the S36xx series due to their small size for placement options while TV36s must go into the existing spots with no opportunity to move them.

What are your thoughts / suggestions?

I attached a REW graph with a few scenarios of max output for comparison in the event it might be helpful.

The green line is a “just for fun” measurement of dual PSA S3600s combined with my old dual SVS PB13 Ultras. If I recall correctly, the S3600s were stacked in a front corner with the PB13Us in the rear near corners. I don’t think there is any Audyssey correction – just natural max output.

The blue and red lines are both from the dual S3600s though I’m uncertain as to why they are so different. I just pulled them from old REW sweeps and didn’t have notes accompanying those measurements.
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@CallingMrBenzo - I just saw your post of photos returning the S3600 and S3601 - perhaps a similar setup. What were your reasons / expectations / hopes for the change to the TV36s?
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You'll soon find out what PSA is capable of with the TV36s, and finally the Flagship state of the art take no prisoners new creation.............



Kudos to Tom and PSA for taking on this challenge, can't wait to hear what the naysayers have to say, Tom has no limits to his creativity nor does he have any restrictions with what can be achieved.....let the journey begin.......an insight to a brilliant mind....thank you Tom...



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So the big boy is yet to come? The ported top end equivalent of the sealed S7201? I picture 4 ipals and a cabinet so large that it comes on two seperate pallets and you bolt it together once in its final resting place. Exciting times.



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I sure hope so, since I was concern for a fellow AVS Member. For dropping a nice sub, and worst case scenario an Highway Trooper. Driving by, and giving a ticket for unsafe load. Just to add insult to injury

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@CallingMrBenzo - I just saw your post of photos returning the S3600 and S3601 - perhaps a similar setup. What were your reasons / expectations / hopes for the change to the TV36s?


I wanted more output under 20HZ but honestly I love these subs to death and often think I’m crazy or something is wrong with me for wanting more. In 95% of material I’m left wanting nothing and these are fantastic and wish I could add more.

Part of me loves the excitement of something new and the hype of the pro driver etc. I am also in a basement on a concrete slab. I have an SVS PB1000 on my screened in porch and the tactile feel that provides outside leaves me wanting more downstairs.


If I had a boss set up or was on a suspended floor I bet there is no way I would have upgraded but here we are. If IPAL S3611’s were a thing I would have taken those. Sorry for the rant.


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I’d enjoy some feedback on upgrading my subwoofer configuration as I’m extremely interested in the TV36ipals and am trying to make a quick decision on ordering a pair of them.

I currently have a pair of S3600 subs located catty corner in a relatively small room (16’ wide x 12’ deep – approximately 1,700 cubic feet) that has a fair amount of acoustic treatment. I have Crowsons on all my theater chairs and am contemplating adding a BOSS system as the room is on a concrete floor.

The S3600s sound incredible but I feel like I might be missing some additional punch or tactile feedback that I think I might get from ported subs. Movies and gaming are 95% of our use and we generally watch movies at -10 dB or louder with the subs set at the equivalent of at least 0 dB or hotter no matter what the mains are at.

The TV36ipals sound incredible based on specs, Tom’s comments and feedback from @Hopinater and @ratbuddy and dual TV36s would likely be sensational. Another option could be to keep my existing S3600s and add one or 2 more S3611s. If I added 2 more S3611s, I would stack 2 in one corner, keep 1 in the existing catty-corner location and add the 4th to a 3rd corner in the room. I have a little bit more flexibility with the S36xx series due to their small size for placement options while TV36s must go into the existing spots with no opportunity to move them.

What are your thoughts / suggestions?

I attached a REW graph with a few scenarios of max output for comparison in the event it might be helpful.

The green line is a “just for fun” measurement of dual PSA S3600s combined with my old dual SVS PB13 Ultras. If I recall correctly, the S3600s were stacked in a front corner with the PB13Us in the rear near corners. I don’t think there is any Audyssey correction – just natural max output.

The blue and red lines are both from the dual S3600s though I’m uncertain as to why they are so different. I just pulled them from old REW sweeps and didn’t have notes accompanying those measurements.
Is your room sealed? If so and if you picked up 2 more S3600's and put 1 in each corner I think it might be end game. Dual iPals or Neos would also sound killer, decisions decisions.....
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When are you making the trip?
I should have the TV36 by the end of the weekend.
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I am also in a basement on a concrete slab. I have an SVS PB1000 on my screened in porch and the tactile feel that provides outside leaves me wanting more downstairs.


All I can say is I hate concrete floors. It’s crazy – SVS PB1000 providing more punch outside than dual S36xx in a room with a concrete floor.

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Is your room sealed? If so and if you picked up 2 more S3600's and put 1 in each corner I think it might be end game. Dual iPals or Neos would also sound killer, decisions decisions.....
Yes - the room is sealed. I’m fortunate to have visited Lukeamdman setup many times listening to his tremendous sub setup at 150+ dBs. He also has concrete floors and took his 21” sealed subs, changed them to porteds and added Crowsons. You do get pummeled pretty hard in that room even with the concrete floors.

My room would allow stacked S36xx in one corner and possibly both.

As mentioned, sound quality is great from the S3600s. For an upgrade to be worthwhile, the bass has to have more “punch”. If I understand correctly, I’ll likely get a few more dB in the room with a 3rd S36xx stacked in the front corner and maybe pickup another +1 dB with a fourth S36xx in a non-corner location. In that case, I think 3 or 4 S36xx’s will have greater dB output than 2 TV36 ipals. That sound right? If that’s true, will the ported TV36s supply more tactile feel?

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All I can say is I hate concrete floors. It’s crazy – SVS PB1000 providing more punch outside than dual S36xx in a room with a concrete floor.



Yes - the room is sealed. I’m fortunate to have visited Lukeamdman setup many times listening to his tremendous sub setup at 150+ dBs. He also has concrete floors and took his 21” sealed subs, changed them to porteds and added Crowsons. You do get pummeled pretty hard in that room even with the concrete floors.

My room would allow stacked S36xx in one corner and possibly both.

As mentioned, sound quality is great from the S3600s. For an upgrade to be worthwhile, the bass has to have more “punch”. If I understand correctly, I’ll likely get a few more dB in the room with a 3rd S36xx stacked in the front corner and maybe pickup another +1 dB with a fourth S36xx in a non-corner location. In that case, I think 3 or 4 S36xx’s will have greater dB output than 2 TV36 ipals. That sound right? If that’s true, will the ported TV36s supply more tactile feel?


I would imagine dual IPALs would still have more punch under 20HZ. I’m expecting a very substantial increase in SPL in the lower bass range.


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So the big boy is yet to come? The ported top end equivalent of the sealed S7201? I picture 4 ipals and a cabinet so large that it comes on two seperate pallets and you bolt it together once in its final resting place. Exciting times.



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Yes my friend, I believe your're correct in your assumption, the ported equivalent of the 7201 but I don't think it's what you're going to expect, I'm not really at liberty to talk about what Tom and I discussed but there's no limit to what he's trying to achieve, he'll have some new drivers to work with later this summer or sooner....it will blow your mind..........he reminds me of Bruce Banner and you don't want to go there.... Release the Kraken..................................
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I’d enjoy some feedback on upgrading my subwoofer configuration as I’m extremely interested in the TV36ipals and am trying to make a quick decision on ordering a pair of them.

I currently have a pair of S3600 subs located catty corner in a relatively small room (16’ wide x 12’ deep – approximately 1,700 cubic feet) that has a fair amount of acoustic treatment. I have Crowsons on all my theater chairs and am contemplating adding a BOSS system as the room is on a concrete floor.

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All I can say is I hate concrete floors. It’s crazy – SVS PB1000 providing more punch outside than dual S36xx in a room with a concrete floor.



Yes - the room is sealed. I’m fortunate to have visited Lukeamdman setup many times listening to his tremendous sub setup at 150+ dBs. He also has concrete floors and took his 21” sealed subs, changed them to porteds and added Crowsons. You do get pummeled pretty hard in that room even with the concrete floors.

My room would allow stacked S36xx in one corner and possibly both.

As mentioned, sound quality is great from the S3600s. For an upgrade to be worthwhile, the bass has to have more “punch”. If I understand correctly, I’ll likely get a few more dB in the room with a 3rd S36xx stacked in the front corner and maybe pickup another +1 dB with a fourth S36xx in a non-corner location. In that case, I think 3 or 4 S36xx’s will have greater dB output than 2 TV36 ipals. That sound right? If that’s true, will the ported TV36s supply more tactile feel?


I believe that the Tv36 iPal's would be a better solution in your case than adding two more S3611's. Adding two more S3611's will net you about 6db more SPL across the board (or more, depending on the difference in output between your current subs and the newer model S3611). But, it will just be more of what you have now. I don't think that the bass punch will be significantly greater.

I would expect the dual iPal's to add not only more of what you already have now, but to add to the tactile experience in the way that ported subs can do so effectively. With your smaller room, and the natural room gain you will be getting, I would expect the dual iPal's to really light you up at both mid-bass and very low-frequencies.

Not everyone in a smaller room is a good candidate for really powerful ported subs. But, the concrete floor is definitely a factor. And, if you already have Crowson's and still find yourself wanting more, then I think that you are a good candidate for the iPal's. That is especially the case, based on what you said about enjoying the setup in Lukeadman's HT.

You can always still add the Boss platform later, even if you get the iPal's, but if you are really looking for something qualitatively different from what you already have, rather than just more quantity of what you have now, then I think that the iPal's would be the way to go. I hope this helps!

Incidentally, I also have a concrete floor, in a much larger room. I can also attest to the fact that ported subs can make a real impact, even on concrete, if you crank them.

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I’d enjoy some feedback on upgrading my subwoofer configuration as I’m extremely interested in the TV36ipals and am trying to make a quick decision on ordering a pair of them.

I currently have a pair of S3600 subs located catty corner in a relatively small room (16’ wide x 12’ deep – approximately 1,700 cubic feet) that has a fair amount of acoustic treatment. I have Crowsons on all my theater chairs and am contemplating adding a BOSS system as the room is on a concrete floor.

The S3600s sound incredible but I feel like I might be missing some additional punch or tactile feedback that I think I might get from ported subs. Movies and gaming are 95% of our use and we generally watch movies at -10 dB or louder with the subs set at the equivalent of at least 0 dB or hotter no matter what the mains are at.

The TV36ipals sound incredible based on specs, Tom’s comments and feedback from @Hopinater and @ratbuddy and dual TV36s would likely be sensational. Another option could be to keep my existing S3600s and add one or 2 more S3611s. If I added 2 more S3611s, I would stack 2 in one corner, keep 1 in the existing catty-corner location and add the 4th to a 3rd corner in the room. I have a little bit more flexibility with the S36xx series due to their small size for placement options while TV36s must go into the existing spots with no opportunity to move them.

What are your thoughts / suggestions?

I attached a REW graph with a few scenarios of max output for comparison in the event it might be helpful.

The green line is a “just for fun” measurement of dual PSA S3600s combined with my old dual SVS PB13 Ultras. If I recall correctly, the S3600s were stacked in a front corner with the PB13Us in the rear near corners. I don’t think there is any Audyssey correction – just natural max output.

The blue and red lines are both from the dual S3600s though I’m uncertain as to why they are so different. I just pulled them from old REW sweeps and didn’t have notes accompanying those measurements.
Im guessing TV36's will more than double your output below 20 Hz, but probably increase TR 4 fold.
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All I can say is I hate concrete floors. It’s crazy – SVS PB1000 providing more punch outside than dual S36xx in a room with a concrete floor.



Yes - the room is sealed. I’m fortunate to have visited Lukeamdman setup many times listening to his tremendous sub setup at 150+ dBs. He also has concrete floors and took his 21” sealed subs, changed them to porteds and added Crowsons. You do get pummeled pretty hard in that room even with the concrete floors.

My room would allow stacked S36xx in one corner and possibly both.

As mentioned, sound quality is great from the S3600s. For an upgrade to be worthwhile, the bass has to have more “punch”. If I understand correctly, I’ll likely get a few more dB in the room with a 3rd S36xx stacked in the front corner and maybe pickup another +1 dB with a fourth S36xx in a non-corner location. In that case, I think 3 or 4 S36xx’s will have greater dB output than 2 TV36 ipals. That sound right? If that’s true, will the ported TV36s supply more tactile feel?
You usually gain 3-6db with each subwoofer added. Since Tom has yet to release any data numbers on output I would give him a call and ask him his opinion. Since you are on concrete you might want to go with ported though. Your room size just screams sealed with single digits output.
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I would imagine dual IPALs would still have more punch under 20HZ. I’m expecting a very substantial increase in SPL in the lower bass range.


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I'm really curious to see when Tom releases these numbers as pro drivers are more geared toward mid and high bass. Tom is using box size and his DSP magic to extend the frequency range. I could be wrong but that's how I see it when I look at the driver specs below.


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I'm really curious to see when Tom releases these numbers as pro drivers are more geared toward mid and high bass. Tom is using box size and his DSP magic to extend the frequency range. I could be wrong but that's how I see it when I look at the driver specs below.


Edit: I said it before and I will say it again, what's going to blow people away is the snap and punch these drivers provide. It's not the ULF they provide but the type of bass they provide. It's like a 115lb boxer that hit's like Foreman. Fast, tight, and powerful.




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True but dual drivers are being used which allows more extension capability. I suspect a single Ipal in a V18 enclosure might not extend as low as the current driver without making the enclosure larger.
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I'm really curious to see when Tom releases these numbers as pro drivers are more geared toward mid and high bass. Tom is using box size and his DSP magic to extend the frequency range. I could be wrong but that's how I see it when I look at the driver specs below.





Edit: I said it before and I will say it again, what's going to blow people away is the snap and punch these drivers provide. It's not the ULF they provide but the type of bass they provide. It's like a 115lb boxer that hit's like Foreman. Fast, tight, and powerful.









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It was more of the fact that it’s ported and has the low tune. The base version had I gotten it should wipe the floor with the S3611 until you get to under 10Hz where I had some output with the sealed and may have no output with the new subs?


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I believe that the Tv36 iPal's would be a better solution in your case than adding two more S3611's. Adding two more S3611's will net you about 6db more SPL across the board (or more, depending on the difference in output between your current subs and the newer model S3611). But, it will just be more of what you have now. I don't think that the bass punch will be significantly greater.

I would expect the dual iPal's to add not only more of what you already have now, but to add to the tactile experience in the way that ported subs can do so effectively. With your smaller room, and the natural room gain you will be getting, I would expect the dual iPal's to really light you up at both mid-bass and very low-frequencies.

Not everyone in a smaller room is a good candidate for really powerful ported subs. But, the concrete floor is definitely a factor. And, if you already have Crowson's and still find yourself wanting more, then I think that you are a good candidate for the iPal's. That is especially the case, based on what you said about enjoying the setup in Lukeadman's HT.

You can always still add the Boss platform later, even if you get the iPal's, but if you are really looking for something qualitatively different from what you already have, rather than just more quantity of what you have now, then I think that the iPal's would be the way to go. I hope this helps!

Incidentally, I also have a concrete floor, in a much larger room. I can also attest to the fact that ported subs can make a real impact, even on concrete, if you crank them.

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You usually gain 3-6db with each subwoofer added. Since Tom has yet to release any data numbers on output I would give him a call and ask him his opinion. Since you are on concrete you might want to go with ported though. Your room size just screams sealed with single digits output.

Thank you all for the great feedback and information. It sounds like the dual TV36 ipals could be a very nice upgrade to my current setup. I can now go to the CEO of the home to see if she’ll be okay with a couple of new monsters in the theater room. Fingers crossed…

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Thank you all for the great feedback and information. It sounds like the dual TV36 ipals could be a very nice upgrade to my current setup. I can now go to the CEO of the home to see if she’ll be okay with a couple of new monsters in the theater room. Fingers crossed…
You might want to bypass the CEO on this one


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