Originally Posted by zorax2
I’d enjoy some feedback on upgrading my subwoofer configuration as I’m extremely interested in the TV36ipals and am trying to make a quick decision on ordering a pair of them.
I currently have a pair of S3600 subs located catty corner in a relatively small room (16’ wide x 12’ deep – approximately 1,700 cubic feet) that has a fair amount of acoustic treatment. I have Crowsons on all my theater chairs and am contemplating adding a BOSS system as the room is on a concrete floor.
The S3600s sound incredible but I feel like I might be missing some additional punch or tactile feedback that I think I might get from ported subs. Movies and gaming are 95% of our use and we generally watch movies at -10 dB or louder with the subs set at the equivalent of at least 0 dB or hotter no matter what the mains are at.
Originally Posted by zorax2
All I can say is I hate concrete floors. It’s crazy – SVS PB1000 providing more punch outside than dual S36xx in a room with a concrete floor.
Yes - the room is sealed. I’m fortunate to have visited Lukeamdman setup many times listening to his tremendous sub setup at 150+ dBs. He also has concrete floors and took his 21” sealed subs, changed them to porteds and added Crowsons. You do get pummeled pretty hard in that room even with the concrete floors.
My room would allow stacked S36xx in one corner and possibly both.
As mentioned, sound quality is great from the S3600s. For an upgrade to be worthwhile, the bass has to have more “punch”. If I understand correctly, I’ll likely get a few more dB in the room with a 3rd S36xx stacked in the front corner and maybe pickup another +1 dB with a fourth S36xx in a non-corner location. In that case, I think 3 or 4 S36xx’s will have greater dB output than 2 TV36 ipals. That sound right? If that’s true, will the ported TV36s supply more tactile feel?
I believe that the Tv36 iPal's would be a better solution in your case than adding two more S3611's. Adding two more S3611's will net you about 6db more SPL across the board (or more, depending on the difference in output between your current subs and the newer model S3611). But, it will just be more of what you have now. I don't think that the bass punch will be significantly greater.
I would expect the dual iPal's to add not only more of what you already have now, but to add to the tactile experience in the way that ported subs can do so effectively. With your smaller room, and the natural room gain you will be getting, I would expect the dual iPal's to really light you up at both mid-bass and very low-frequencies.
Not everyone in a smaller room is a good candidate for really powerful ported subs. But, the concrete floor is definitely a factor. And, if you already have Crowson's and still find yourself wanting more, then I think that you are
a good candidate for the iPal's. That is especially the case, based on what you said about enjoying the setup in Lukeadman's HT.
You can always still add the Boss platform later, even if you get the iPal's, but if you are really looking for something qualitatively
different from what you already have, rather than just more quantity of what you have now, then I think that the iPal's would be the way to go. I hope this helps!
Incidentally, I also have a concrete floor, in a much larger room. I can also attest to the fact that ported subs can make a real impact, even on concrete, if you crank them.