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V1811 Good, Bad and hopefully more good?

So I am jockeying myself into position with my much better half, to get a V1811 in the hopefully not too distant future. I would be coming from a PB-2000. I was talking to Tom in chat a few days ago and know that output wise, this is leaps and bounds beyond my PB-2000. What I want to know, is how the V1811 sounds and behaves. I love the quickness and to my ears tight bass of my PB-2000 (my first real sub, so it's all I have to go on), will the V1811 sound clean and tight, or is it all smash you in the face tactile response?

Port chuff under normal circumstances, or at all no matter what? Not gain maxed, AVR trim at 0 and MV of 0. I listen at most -10 MV. I run my PB-2000 high enough gain (gain at about 1 o'clock), to return a -11.5 intial trim in Audyssey XT32 during cal, then add +3db afterwards. Not sure if that is really hot or not, just putting it out there as an idea of where I set it.

Will it dig at least as low as my PB-2000?

I want the holy cow shock effect, if I am able to get the V1811, but want it to sound clean and good too.

Forgive me if I haven't worded things properly, just ask and I'll elaborate as best as I can.

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I came from the sub right before the PB-2000 which is the PB12-NSD. I enjoyed it but just like you as my first "real" sub, I got curious to what else was out there. I was set on a v1500 but last min I saw a v1801 in the outlet and thought to myself, if i liked the 12 I gotta check out the 18, so I did!

It was amazing! I think it will blow away most new comers to big bass. You're gonna be very happy with your purchase! It's also gonna make you say 1 of 2 things.

1- Omg this is a lot of bass, I can't see myself with 2 of these!

2- Omg this is a lot of bass, I need 2 of these!

And no matter which one you say and do....stay off this forum after that!!!!

If not, you might see yourself with a TV36 IPAL next year. And I know what you're thinking, "oh no man no way, that's too big and/or cost too much money"....yup....i thought so too once myself but here I am contemplating that very move lol, seriously tho.
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I would love first hand experiences from V1811 owners. For that kind of $$, I want to just be dumb founded in awe, at how it sounds, lol.
Yea it is something spending that kind of $. I went from Polk 505, and after following this thread, ordered an XV15SE. Even a few years ago I was loving it, so much Tom sold me another one. Captivated, I loved the upgrade, But as time went on and reading this thread again, OI ordered a V3600. After almost killing myself getting this monster into the house and downstairs, I immediately hooked it up, and was AMAZED! I really think that you would love the upgrade, plus the CS is 2nd to NONE! You can read that all over, but also experienced that on a Friday evening about 6 p.m., as Tom called to walk me thru a few things. After that, I was sold, PSA all the way! Nice car in your avatar by the way.
Thank you sir. My next sub will be PSA, whenever it happens. Yeah the car is money spender number 1, HT number 2, lol.
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V1811 Good, Bad and hopefully more good?

So I am jockeying myself into position with my much better half, to get a V1811 in the hopefully not too distant future. I would be coming from a PB-2000. I was talking to Tom in chat a few days ago and know that output wise, this is leaps and bounds beyond my PB-2000. What I want to know, is how the V1811 sounds and behaves. I love the quickness and to my ears tight bass of my PB-2000 (my first real sub, so it's all I have to go on), will the V1811 sound clean and tight, or is it all smash you in the face tactile response?

Port chuff under normal circumstances, or at all no matter what? Not gain maxed, AVR trim at 0 and MV of 0. I listen at most -10 MV. I run my PB-2000 high enough gain (gain at about 1 o'clock), to return a -11.5 intial trim in Audyssey XT32 during cal, then add +3db afterwards. Not sure if that is really hot or not, just putting it out there as an idea of where I set it.

Will it dig at least as low as my PB-2000?

I want the holy cow shock effect, if I am able to get the V1811, but want it to sound clean and good too.

Forgive me if I haven't worded things properly, just ask and I'll elaborate as best as I can.

Edit: spelling
I came from the sub right before the PB-2000 which is the PB12-NSD. I enjoyed it but just like you as my first "real" sub, I got curious to what else was out there. I was set on a v1500 but last min I saw a v1801 in the outlet and thought to myself, if i liked the 12 I gotta check out the 18, so I did!

It was amazing! I think it will blow away most new comers to big bass. You're gonna be very happy with your purchase! It's also gonna make you say 1 of 2 things.

1- Omg this is a lot of bass, I can't see myself with 2 of these!

2- Omg this is a lot of bass, I need 2 of these!

And no matter which one you say and do....stay off this forum after that!!!!

If not, you might see yourself with a TV36 IPAL next year. And I know what you're thinking, "oh no man no way, that's too big and/or cost too much money"....yup....i thought so too once myself but here I am contemplating that very move lol, seriously tho.
Believe me, at what the V1811 cost it won't be upgraded anytime soon. I've had the PB for 4 years and just now am looking to upgrade. Like I said in my other post, my avatar gets the big money spent on her. Thanks for your input on the V1801. Hopefully it works out and I can swing it.
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And no matter which one you say and do....stay off this forum after that!!!!

If not, you might see yourself with a TV36 IPAL next year. And I know what you're thinking, "oh no man no way, that's too big and/or cost too much money"....yup....i thought so too once myself but here I am contemplating that very move lol, seriously tho.
How true. When the Klipsch Sub-12 that I had for 12 years died, I decided that I would budget a little more for its replacement at $500. After finding this forum and doing some research, I opted to really stretch my budget to get a V1501 from the outlet. I was blown away by the upgrade and was set for the next 12 years. Unfortunately, I didn't get off the forums and soon jumped on a second V1501 from the outlet because 2 is always better than 1. Next thing you know, one of the V1501s got upgraded to a V1801 and then the other to a V1811. Obviously, if you look at my signature, I didn't stop there and that originally $500 budget has long since been forgotten.

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I would love first hand experiences from V1811 owners. For that kind of $$, I want to just be dumb founded in awe, at how it sounds, lol.
I had a pair of V1811 subs before I traded them in for the TV36. The V1811 is a unique sub based on its price, size, performance ratio. With a pair, running 8 db hot with dynamic EQ on and master volume of -10, I never heard any chuffing. If I had purchased them and stayed off the forums, I would likely had kept them for a very long time and been in sub nirvana. Of course, the PSA trade in program makes it so easy to try new things . . .
Thanks man. I'll be single sub only. How'd you like the performance and sound? Oh and you silly kids and your TV36's, lol.
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Thanks man. I'll be single sub only. How'd you like the performance and sound? Oh and you silly kids and your TV36's, lol.


I have a v1800 in my living room setup and 2xv1811 in my dedicated theatre, if u feel u may be let down, I can assure you you won't be! As far as chuffing goes, forget about it? believe me. That whole conversation is nonsense in my opinion, unless of course your only goal is to make them chuff?(roll eyes) love my subs, literally haven't got one bad thing to say!


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Thanks man. I'll be single sub only. How'd you like the performance and sound? Oh and you silly kids and your TV36's, lol.


I have a v1800 in my living room setup and 2xv1811 in my dedicated theatre, if u feel u may be let down, I can assure you you won't be! As far as chuffing goes, forget about it? believe me. That whole conversation is nonsense in my opinion, unless of course your only goal is to make them chuff?(roll eyes) love my subs, literally haven't got one bad thing to say!


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Thank you. I wasn't worried about chuffing, just wanted to ask. I know it'll punch me in the face with bass, I just wanted to know if it'd hug me too, lol. Thanks man. Now I really gotta get to work, to hopefully get it in the house. 🙂
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I would turn Audy off and default all speaker and sub setting and raise the crossover on the speakers at their highest point. You now want to run some sweeps and adjust the delay on the NF sub until you get the best response ( both subs combined) and then run AUDY.
Thank you, I've never done this process before but I'm always down to try new ways of dialing my subs in. Even tho I have a better understanding of bass now than when I came into this game at the start of last year, I still consider myself a beginner....maybe a intermediate beginner if you will lol.

Do you have a minidsp? I read those can introduce delay as well. Mine came in yesterday but I haven't had the time to mess with it yet.

Any advice is always welcomed, thank you again.
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Thank you, I've never done this process before but I'm always down to try new ways of dialing my subs in. Even tho I have a better understanding of bass now than when I came into this game at the start of last year, I still consider myself a beginner....maybe a intermediate beginner if you will lol.

Do you have a minidsp? I read those can introduce delay as well. Mine came in yesterday but I haven't had the time to mess with it yet.

Any advice is always welcomed, thank you again.
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Thank you, I've never done this process before but I'm always down to try new ways of dialing my subs in. Even tho I have a better understanding of bass now than when I came into this game at the start of last year, I still consider myself a beginner....maybe a intermediate beginner if you will lol.

Do you have a minidsp? I read those can introduce delay as well. Mine came in yesterday but I haven't had the time to mess with it yet.

Any advice is always welcomed, thank you again.
I'm in the same boat as you, I got my minidsp 2X4HD last week but haven't set it up yet. I need to set a side a day and do it but I haven't found the time yet, every time I think I'll get the chance a new job comes up that I have to take care of.
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Hi all,

Quick update on the dual 21ipal.

It's the real deal. I haven't even gotten the DSP or tuning 100% optimized and it still is forcing me to at least CONSIDER going to production. I really, really did not want to feel that way to be 100% honest. Just the complications involved in moving, finishing, assembling something this large = "big pain" factor on multiple levels. The s7201 is larger and heavier yes. But something tells me this one may sell in much higher quantities.

Which leads me to an important question. How big is too big for the marketplace? The first proto type is 24" wide, 28" deep and 54" tall(with nylon standoffs(legs)).

The width really can't get smaller. The depth...MAYBE an inch(ish). The height, I might be able to trim it to about 52 tall in proto-type V2.

So let's call it 24 wide, 28 deep(with grill), and 52 tall for now.(I still have do some simulations to be sure these dims will be ok)

The TV36 is 20 wide, 27 deep, 48 tall.

That puts this beast at 4 inch wider, 1 inch deeper, 4 inch taller.

I doubt the depth is a variable for anyone. But the width and height? Myabe a dealer break for some or even most?

Just based on subjective testing/ear tests I'd say this is similar to dual TV36ipal. Call it(roughly) 3 tv36neo and close to 4 tv36base.

I'm still trying to work some logistics magic to keep final costing down but I'm not there yet. I can say with complete certainly the pricing won't increase at the same rate as the performance gains I just outlined. In other words, it won't be double the tv36ipal or even close to that. But let's not pretend it will be $3500 either...we need to stay on planet Earth..

I mean, these are BIG. BUT, duals would be similar to EIGHT of the tv36base.

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Quick update on the dual 21ipal.



It's the real deal. I haven't even gotten the DSP or tuning 100% optimized and it still is forcing me to at least CONSIDER going to production. I really, really did not want to feel that way to be 100% honest. Just the complications involved in moving, finishing, assembling something this large = "big pain" factor on multiple levels. The s7201 is larger and heavier yes. But something tells me this one may sell in much higher quantities.



Which leads me to an important question. How big is too big for the marketplace? The first proto type is 24" wide, 28" deep and 54" tall(with nylon standoffs(legs)).



The width really can't get smaller. The depth...MAYBE an inch(ish). The height, I might be able to trim it to about 52 tall in proto-type V2.



So let's call it 24 wide, 28 deep(with grill), and 52 tall for now.(I still have do some simulations to be sure these dims will be ok)



The TV36 is 20 wide, 27 deep, 48 tall.



That puts this beast at 4 inch wider, 1 inch deeper, 4 inch taller.



I doubt the depth is a variable for anyone. But the width and height? Myabe a dealer break for some or even most?



Just based on subjective testing/ear tests I'd say this is similar to dual TV36ipal. Call it(roughly) 3 tv36neo and close to 4 tv36base.



I'm still trying to work some logistics magic to keep final costing down but I'm not there yet. I can say with complete certainly the pricing won't increase at the same rate as the performance gains I just outlined. In other words, it won't be double the tv36ipal or even close to that. But let's not pretend it will be $3500 either...we need to stay on planet Earth..



I mean, these are BIG. BUT, duals would be similar to EIGHT of the tv36base.



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Based on his comments - More than $3500, less than $6000. If TV36 ipal will be $3500 after promo price, I'd guess $4500.
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Based on his comments - More than $3500, less than $6000. If TV36 ipal will be $3500 after promo price, I'd guess $4500. $4000 if we are very lucky.


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FWIW, I don't think that dimensions of approximately 54" (or 52") by 24" by 28" will be a deal breaker for people who really want these subs. (I have a pair of speakers that are 52" tall by 36" wide by 18" deep and I wouldn't trade them for anything.) And, the way that the TV36's have already sold, with the only serious variable here being the height, is an indication of how little the size matters to the right customers.

At some point, many sub owners will have to tap out, either from performance satisfaction with their current subs, or from size/weight constraints, or from cost. But, just considering the size issue, the Cap 4000's have sold well at the dimensions of 41" by 39.5" by 20.5" and I think those dimensions are probably harder to accommodate in most rooms. I think that the space race is fun to watch, and I have no doubt that the dual 21" iPal's will attract buyers, even at a necessarily premium price.

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Hi all,

Quick update on the dual 21ipal.

It's the real deal. I haven't even gotten the DSP or tuning 100% optimized and it still is forcing me to at least CONSIDER going to production. I really, really did not want to feel that way to be 100% honest. Just the complications involved in moving, finishing, assembling something this large = "big pain" factor on multiple levels. The s7201 is larger and heavier yes. But something tells me this one may sell in much higher quantities.

Which leads me to an important question. How big is too big for the marketplace? The first proto type is 24" wide, 28" deep and 54" tall(with nylon standoffs(legs)).

The width really can't get smaller. The depth...MAYBE an inch(ish). The height, I might be able to trim it to about 52 tall in proto-type V2.

So let's call it 24 wide, 28 deep(with grill), and 52 tall for now.(I still have do some simulations to be sure these dims will be ok)

The TV36 is 20 wide, 27 deep, 48 tall.

That puts this beast at 4 inch wider, 1 inch deeper, 4 inch taller.

I doubt the depth is a variable for anyone. But the width and height? Myabe a dealer break for some or even most?

Just based on subjective testing/ear tests I'd say this is similar to dual TV36ipal. Call it(roughly) 3 tv36neo and close to 4 tv36base.

I'm still trying to work some logistics magic to keep final costing down but I'm not there yet. I can say with complete certainly the pricing won't increase at the same rate as the performance gains I just outlined. In other words, it won't be double the tv36ipal or even close to that. But let's not pretend it will be $3500 either...we need to stay on planet Earth..

I mean, these are BIG. BUT, duals would be similar to EIGHT of the tv36base.

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This would be too big for my space. That being said, it would be a good sub to challenge the JTR4000 (not that this is necessarily what you are trying to do). The depth of the 4000 is pretty deep. Although this sub would be a taller than the 4000, the fact that the depth is significantly less may make it more attractive to some.

HOWEVER, doing a single vented ipal 21, or a single vented ipal 18 might sell more units than the dual 21. Or maybe do all three? Just saying...
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Very nice! Will it be tuned the same as the TV36 ipal? These will be some of the best subs you can buy, period. I like the way you are headed. The dual 21 ipal on DB sealed has some serious numbers all around, now add some spl from porting and bingo. This will be one helluva sub!

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Quick update on the dual 21ipal.

It's the real deal. I haven't even gotten the DSP or tuning 100% optimized and it still is forcing me to at least CONSIDER going to production. I really, really did not want to feel that way to be 100% honest. Just the complications involved in moving, finishing, assembling something this large = "big pain" factor on multiple levels. The s7201 is larger and heavier yes. But something tells me this one may sell in much higher quantities.

Which leads me to an important question. How big is too big for the marketplace? The first proto type is 24" wide, 28" deep and 54" tall(with nylon standoffs(legs)).

The width really can't get smaller. The depth...MAYBE an inch(ish). The height, I might be able to trim it to about 52 tall in proto-type V2.

So let's call it 24 wide, 28 deep(with grill), and 52 tall for now.(I still have do some simulations to be sure these dims will be ok)

The TV36 is 20 wide, 27 deep, 48 tall.

That puts this beast at 4 inch wider, 1 inch deeper, 4 inch taller.

I doubt the depth is a variable for anyone. But the width and height? Myabe a dealer break for some or even most?

Just based on subjective testing/ear tests I'd say this is similar to dual TV36ipal. Call it(roughly) 3 tv36neo and close to 4 tv36base.

I'm still trying to work some logistics magic to keep final costing down but I'm not there yet. I can say with complete certainly the pricing won't increase at the same rate as the performance gains I just outlined. In other words, it won't be double the tv36ipal or even close to that. But let's not pretend it will be $3500 either...we need to stay on planet Earth..

I mean, these are BIG. BUT, duals would be similar to EIGHT of the tv36base.

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Serial number 1(and 2 who are we kidding?) already spoken for

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HEYY!!!! I'm not that weak!

Oh who am I kidding.... yes I am.

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Oh who am I kidding.... yes I am.
I did do a quick check with the tape measure.

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Tom I don't think those dimensions will put off any potential buyers who are seriously looking to buy a sub of this power and magnitude. Let's be honest, if you are going to buy a big sub then if it has to have a large dimension it's probably best to make it the height. The depth and width aren't much different than the TV36 and the height is free real estate in most rooms (no different than a high rise in a city).

I think your real limitation when it comes to having a high number of buyers will be price point. But you knew that when you announced this beast a few months ago... "a subwoofer where price was of little concern." So IMO potential buyers will expect to pay a premium for this high quality of a sub and they won't be too concerned if comes in around $4500 to $5000. And that's worth it if it has the output and sound signature of dual TV36 iPals. In fact, that would be a bargain.

Man oh Man that sub is going to be incredible.

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Tom I don't think those dimensions will put off any potential buyers who are seriously looking to buy a sub of this power and magnitude. Let's be honest, if you are going to buy a big sub then if it has to have a large dimension it's probably best to make it the height. The depth and width aren't much different than the TV36 and the height is free real estate in most rooms (no different than a high rise in a city).

I think your real limitation when it comes to having a high number of buyers will be price point. But you knew that when you announced this beast a few months ago... "a subwoofer where price was of little concern." So IMO potential buyers will expect to pay a premium for this high quality of a sub and they won't be too concerned if comes in around $4500 to $5000. And that's worth it if it has the output and sound signature of dual TV36 iPals. In fact, that would be a bargain.

Man oh Man that sub is going to be incredible.
You sir, need stay away from here a while, at least until your iPals have settled in, lol. You must resist, "This isn't the mega-subwoofer you're looking for." 😉
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