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Tom I don't think those dimensions will put off any potential buyers who are seriously looking to buy a sub of this power and magnitude. Let's be honest, if you are going to buy a big sub then if it has to have a large dimension it's probably best to make it the height. The depth and width aren't much different than the TV36 and the height is free real estate in most rooms (no different than a high rise in a city).

I think your real limitation when it comes to having a high number of buyers will be price point. But you knew that when you announced this beast a few months ago... "a subwoofer where price was of little concern." So IMO potential buyers will expect to pay a premium for this high quality of a sub and they won't be too concerned if comes in around $4500 to $5000. And that's worth it if it has the output and sound signature of dual TV36 iPals. In fact, that would be a bargain.

Man oh Man that sub is going to be incredible.
I don't even pretend to know anymore. Let say $4500 as an example point. coffin size sub, not even a finished cabinet for pictures...no one's going to buy that.

But over the weekend I ended up with a list of guys that would take me well into a second production run on these. Half of them didn't even bring up pricing. It was more like "I have two ipal18 on order, how much longer would I have to wait if I wanted to switch..." Some wanted a LINK TO BUY. Maniacs. All of you!

If we move forward with this I almost want to say "someday I'm going to do a ridiculous sub just to PROVE to myself you CAN go too big/too expensive.

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Hi all,

For those musing about a single 21/low tune/big amp subwoofer...I mean nothing's impossible. But we always have to start with the following.

port cross section/laminar flow + tune =(dictates) the cabinet size.

Let's use an imaginary 23 inch cube cabinet and keep the same 6 inch port.

We're needing 70+ inches for <15hz(tune).

70 inch long port..

I mean I would love to do a 3000-3500w/ single 21ipal/tuned to 14-15hz sub that could be a 23-24 cube or even smaller.

But's its not as simple as it sounds.

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Hey Tom, Thanks for the tip about print screen in the other thread, I use it for my own stuff but never thought about it in other sites.

Ok, since people are looking for smaller how about dual opposed sealed but in your dsp add a little LT to bring up the low end like a mini port within reasonable limits? I know it won't be much cheaper if any, but it could be a same sounding smaller package for those that can't fit monster subs. I mean this can go really small for sealed, nice strong motor!

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For those musing about a single 21/low tune/big amp subwoofer...I mean nothing's impossible. But we always have to start with the following.



port cross section/laminar flow + tune =(dictates) the cabinet size.



Let's use an imaginary 23 inch cube cabinet and keep the same 6 inch port.



We're needing 70+ inches for <15hz(tune).



70 inch long port..

Tom, I really hope you can do it!

I’d love to see a few more reasonably compact and absurdly powerful options from PSA for when a coffin sized build isn’t feasible. Ironically, “the coffin” is what I’m calling the 72” long cab I’m putting this driver in. That’s a 21” neo for scale on my V1801.


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Hi all,

For those musing about a single 21/low tune/big amp subwoofer...I mean nothing's impossible. But we always have to start with the following.

port cross section/laminar flow + tune =(dictates) the cabinet size.

Let's use an imaginary 23 inch cube cabinet and keep the same 6 inch port.

We're needing 70+ inches for <15hz(tune).

70 inch long port..

I mean I would love to do a 3000-3500w/ single 21ipal/tuned to 14-15hz sub that could be a 23-24 cube or even smaller.

But's its not as simple as it sounds.

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Is an external port an option? In sections 22" long, it would need two u-turns to hit 70 inches or so, maybe only a single 180 if you can fit enough of the tube inside the box.. or it could just stick straight up like a stovepipe, maybe with a wire mesh screen on the end to keep it from eating cats

Just use a threaded coupler on the top of the sub to keep shipping height down, owner threads on the pipe in their home.
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Is an external port an option? In sections 22" long, it would need two u-turns to hit 70 inches or so, maybe only a single 180 if you can fit enough of the tube inside the box.. or it could just stick straight up like a stovepipe, maybe with a wire mesh screen on the end to keep it from eating cats

Just use a threaded coupler on the top of the sub to keep shipping height down, owner threads on the pipe in their home.
Just hook the port to your central heat, that should do it.
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Tom, I really hope you can do it!

I’d love to see a few more reasonably compact and absurdly powerful options from PSA for when a coffin sized build isn’t feasible. Ironically, “the coffin” is what I’m calling the 72” long cab I’m putting this driver in. That’s a 21” neo for scale on my V1801.

Wow...That really puts it in perspective! The 21" looks like its basically the whole face of a V1801! Having had V18's , I can see what Tom means that a single 21" might not be as simple as it seems...But on that note , we have seen what can be done with a single 18" in the Cap2400s and they are somewhat a "decent" size and sell very well...Just have to see what the madman comes up with!!
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Just hook the port to your central heat, that should do it.
I was thinking more like a chromed tube with conical air filter on the end :P
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Is an external port an option? In sections 22" long, it would need two u-turns to hit 70 inches or so, maybe only a single 180 if you can fit enough of the tube inside the box.. or it could just stick straight up like a stovepipe, maybe with a wire mesh screen on the end to keep it from eating cats



Just use a threaded coupler on the top of the sub to keep shipping height down, owner threads on the pipe in their home.


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If we move forward with this I almost want to say "someday I'm going to do a ridiculous sub just to PROVE to myself you CAN go too big/too expensive.

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The natural extension of the series would be the TV63, 3x21 ipal, 28x28x72, 9 hz tune, $6-7000. I'm sure someone out there will still buy it.
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Wow...That really puts it in perspective! The 21" looks like its basically the whole face of a V1801! Having had V18's , I can see what Tom means that a single 21" might not be as simple as it seems...But on that note , we have seen what can be done with a single 18" in the Cap2400s and they are somewhat a "decent" size and sell very well...Just have to see what the madman comes up with!!

Aye, the V18 cab is 22” wide and that 21” driver in the pic is 21.5” across, so it’d definitely cover most of the baffle.

PSA has always played a great balancing game in terms of size and output, but using these new drivers changes things quite a bit I think. An even larger ported or PR cab is needed for these pro drivers to fully realize their bottom end capability. 15-20mm of Xmax is certainly nothing to sneeze at for a low tuned build with a neo or Ipal in more compact enclosures, so I bet these latest drivers will offer plenty of options...maybe too many!

I can see what Tom means having too complex of a product line definitely becomes more of a headache at some point, but I’m glad PSA is cranking them out.

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Aye, the V18 cab is 22” wide and that 21” driver in the pic is 21.5” across, so it’d definitely cover most of the baffle.

PSA has always played a great balancing game in terms of size and output, but using these new drivers changes things quite a bit I think. An even larger ported or PR cab is needed for these pro drivers to fully realize their bottom end capability. 15-20mm of Xmax is certainly nothing to sneeze at for a low tuned build with a neo or Ipal in more compact enclosures, so I bet these latest drivers will offer plenty of options...maybe too many!

I can see what Tom means having too complex of a product line definitely becomes more of a headache at some point, but I’m glad PSA is cranking them out.


Do you have w a thread with details of your new build. I would love to follow. What is your box going to be tuned at ?
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Hey Tom, Thanks for the tip about print screen in the other thread, I use it for my own stuff but never thought about it in other sites.

Ok, since people are looking for smaller how about dual opposed sealed but in your dsp add a little LT to bring up the low end like a mini port within reasonable limits? I know it won't be much cheaper if any, but it could be a same sounding smaller package for those that can't fit monster subs. I mean this can go really small for sealed, nice strong motor!
Hi Mk,

The nominal FR(say 85dB at 2m outside) wouldn't be the defining factor imo. How the Fr changes with volume and then audible distortions along the way. At least if we're focusing on why people seem to gravitate to <15hz tuned ported subs. Let me refine that even more----OUR <15hz tuned ported subs. I feel like I need to add that because our design philosophy is significantly different from other brands.

Having said that, I've been experimenting with the 18ipal in everything I have on hand. S1811, V1811, S3611, even the V3611.

It's just a matter of leveraging everything available to me to offer consistency, quality, and value.

Many seem to be particularly interested in a S1811/S3611 Ipal option. But remember mike tyson? Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

I feel like the punch will be when they realize the costing involved in a S3611ipal

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I completely understand. BTW, I love the stright port down firing design. When I built sonos, the straight 8 inch port fired upwards and those had some great bass, even with cheap drivers. Monster sized tubes though. Being a DIYER I am not constrained with all the things you are as you have said on many occasions, size just being one of them.

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Is an external port an option? In sections 22" long, it would need two u-turns to hit 70 inches or so, maybe only a single 180 if you can fit enough of the tube inside the box.. or it could just stick straight up like a stovepipe, maybe with a wire mesh screen on the end to keep it from eating cats

Just use a threaded coupler on the top of the sub to keep shipping height down, owner threads on the pipe in their home.
Physically it's an option. But there's a limit to port length too as you'll get into resonances that need to be kept out of the operating bandwidth. Here is an example.

https://www.americanradiohistory.com...io-1998-08.pdf

See Don Keele's text on page 45. The resonance for the 28" long port is about 230hz(well out of the operating bandwidth). The longer you go, the lower(in freq) this gets.

But regardless, I wouldn't considering doing what you describe anyway. That's been tried before and it ended looking awful(imo). My name ain't going on that type of contraption..

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Do you have w a thread with details of your new build. I would love to follow. What is your box going to be tuned at ?

Sent you a PM with the build thread. It’s a slim nearfield sub going right behind me to replace my current 15” DIY subs and is tuned to 19Hz. Should have some staggering output being less than 18” from my back.

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Hey Tom, Thanks for the tip about print screen in the other thread, I use it for my own stuff but never thought about it in other sites.

Ok, since people are looking for smaller how about dual opposed sealed but in your dsp add a little LT to bring up the low end like a mini port within reasonable limits? I know it won't be much cheaper if any, but it could be a same sounding smaller package for those that can't fit monster subs. I mean this can go really small for sealed, nice strong motor!
Hi Mk,

The nominal FR(say 85dB at 2m outside) wouldn't be the defining factor imo. How the Fr changes with volume and then audible distortions along the way. At least if we're focusing on why people seem to gravitate to <15hz tuned ported subs. Let me refine that even more----OUR <15hz tuned ported subs. I feel like I need to add that because our design philosophy is significantly different from other brands.

Having said that, I've been experimenting with the 18ipal in everything I have on hand. &#83;1811, V1811, &#83;3611, even the V3611.

It's just a matter of leveraging everything available to me to offer consistency, quality, and value.

Many seem to be particularly interested in a &#83;1811/&#83;3611 Ipal option. But remember mike tyson? Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

I feel like the punch will be when they realize the costing involved in a &#83;3611ipal [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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If you had to guess, what would be the output difference between the S3611ipal vs S3611neo from 30hz and below? Maybe 2- 3db?

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Hey Tom, Thanks for the tip about print screen in the other thread, I use it for my own stuff but never thought about it in other sites.

Ok, since people are looking for smaller how about dual opposed sealed but in your dsp add a little LT to bring up the low end like a mini port within reasonable limits? I know it won't be much cheaper if any, but it could be a same sounding smaller package for those that can't fit monster subs. I mean this can go really small for sealed, nice strong motor!
Hi Mk,

The nominal FR(say 85dB at 2m outside) wouldn't be the defining factor imo. How the Fr changes with volume and then audible distortions along the way. At least if we're focusing on why people seem to gravitate to <15hz tuned ported subs. Let me refine that even more----OUR <15hz tuned ported subs. I feel like I need to add that because our design philosophy is significantly different from other brands.

Having said that, I've been experimenting with the 18ipal in everything I have on hand. &#83;1811, V1811, &#83;3611, even the V3611.

It's just a matter of leveraging everything available to me to offer consistency, quality, and value.

Many seem to be particularly interested in a &#83;1811/&#83;3611 Ipal option. But remember mike tyson? Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

I feel like the punch will be when they realize the costing involved in a &#83;3611ipal [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

Tom V.
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If you to guess what would be the difference between &#83;3611ipal vs &#83;3611neo from 30hz and below? Maybe 2- 3db?
If the current cabinets for the 18inch line fit all 3 drivers AND if the output is worth the price difference then why not offer all 3 18inch drivers. When customers are ordering from the website they choose from a drop-down which driver they want. Just a thought.
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Who's going to be the first to upload a sound demo of one of the neo subs? I know it won't be an accurate representation of the sound due to the fact that it's a recording + YouTube compression + whatever you're listening with, but I'm sure many of us would love a YouTube video.

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Many seem to be particularly interested in a S1811/S3611 Ipal option. But remember mike tyson? Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

I feel like the punch will be when they realize the costing involved in a S3611ipal

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These are luxury items- not food & shelter. After a certain point you cross a line with clientèle and it becomes more of- make what they want, keep em happy, they will pay. Cue- Porsche, Bentley, Ferrari, Rolex, Breitling, etc...


So- lets continue the thought- would an S3611ipal be much bigger than an S3600? How would it compare in output?


I have 2 S3000. I could swap em for 2 S3600, but it doesn't seem worth it. Change my mind with your new idea...



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I completely understand. BTW, I love the stright port down firing design. When I built sonos, the straight 8 inch port fired upwards and those had some great bass, even with cheap drivers. Monster sized tubes though. Being a DIYER I am not constrained with all the things you are as you have said on many occasions, size just being one of them.
There's significant overlap between diy-ers and OEMs...sometimes too much(see ed,reaction,epik, etc). But what doesn't overlap is important in both breadth and depth.

I'm not concerned about a test tone war. My focus is on build consistency, quality considerations from each potential vendor, production capabilities, logistics. I need to think 6-12-18-36 months ahead when making these decisions. Okay, this is a very good woofer for the money and they seem to be fine supplying me smaller quantities. But what if I need much higher quantities? Will the OEM have the capabilities? If not, then what? Sales are limited by an outside vendor? No thanks.

We also have to remember that as popular as AVS is, it represents a minuscule percentage of "HT enthusiasts". For every coffin size sub sold somewhere else there's a couple HUNDRED smaller cubes sold.

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Who's going to be the first to upload a sound demo of one of the neo subs? I know it won't be an accurate representation of the sound due to the fact that it's a recording + YouTube compression + whatever you're listening with, but I'm sure many of us would love a YouTube video.



Someone do it!


I can do one tester. My wife will be out for an hour I was planning on some bass demos
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There's significant overlap between diy-ers and OEMs...sometimes too much(see ed,reaction,epik, etc). But what doesn't overlap is important in both breadth and depth.

I'm not concerned about a test tone war. My focus is on build consistency, quality considerations from each potential vendor, production capabilities, logistics. I need to think 6-12-18-36 months ahead when making these decisions. Okay, this is a very good woofer for the money and they seem to be fine supplying me smaller quantities. But what if I need much higher quantities? Will the OEM have the capabilities? If not, then what? Sales are limited by an outside vendor? No thanks.

We also have to remember that as popular as AVS is, it represents a minuscule percentage of "HT enthusiasts". For every coffin size sub sold somewhere else there's a couple HUNDRED smaller cubes sold.

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We're needing 70+ inches for <15hz(tune).

70 inch long port..

I mean I would love to do a 3000-3500w/ single 21ipal/tuned to 14-15hz sub that could be a 23-24 cube or even smaller.

But's its not as simple as it sounds.

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If Bose can put a 100' tube in their wave radio, you surely could fit a mere 70" in box that size.

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Pfft... for you (to take quote from one of my favorite Youtube channels) "super easy, barely an inconvenience"

If Bose can put a 100' tube in their wave radio, you surely could fit a mere 70" in box that size.

Sounds like the inception of the PSA "Folded Horn" subwoofer.

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Emailed with Tom and replacing my 4 triaxs with 2 TV42’s is very doable. Would need to drive the triax’s up to PSA but it is only a 75 minute drive. Would definitely have to rent a truck.

I’m torn - I love the triax’s and I’m sure I don’t push them hard at -10. The thought of going from 4 subs to 2 pains me. Also 12 - 15 inch drivers to 4 - 21’s.....I have some thinking to do 😀
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Sounds like the inception of the PSA "Folded Horn" subwoofer.
I seem to recall reading that high motor force drivers like the ipal are perfect for horn applications..
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Emailed with Tom and replacing my 4 triaxs with 2 TV42’s is very doable. Would need to drive the triax’s up to PSA but it is only a 75 minute drive. Would definitely have to rent a truck.

I’m torn - I love the triax’s and I’m sure I don’t push them hard at -10. The thought of going from 4 subs to 2 pains me. Also 12 - 15 inch drivers to 4 - 21’s.....I have some thinking to do 😀

I'm with you with the 4 subs. Once you experience wrap around bass there's no going back. 2 TV42's might be worth it though.
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I'm with you with the 4 subs. Once you experience wrap around bass there's no going back. 2 TV42's might be worth it though.
4 would be worth it for sure
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I don't know...anything more then quad Triax's has to yield some serious diminishing returns on investment. As I have mentioned many times in the past, you are only going to listen so loud before you end up with tinnitus. -10 with any source material is more then likely a cake walk for Quad Triax's even in the largest rooms.

That being said, perhaps TV42's might provide better sound quality? I can't imagine Triax's lacking there either.

Imo the TV42 stuff would be for driving Auditorium's or large theaters. Anything else would be for bragging rights only. You would never utilize that kind of firepower in a average room.

Bunch of Nutso's I tell ya.

I like the idea of smaller single driver low tune offering that offers more areas for placement and could even be stacked.


S36Ipal sounds like a legit sub and would be worth the additional cost. It would keep these Sealed lovers from going through withdrawals. Hell half of them are considering going back to ported just for IPAL...lol

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