Official Power Sound Audio Subwoofer Thread - Page 1688 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 63309Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #50611 of 51856 Old 07-30-2019, 09:57 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
subacabra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Hillsborough, New Jersey
Posts: 2,501
Mentioned: 48 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1650 Post(s)
Liked: 4789
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiebosco View Post
Did he end up trading his S3601's in on TV36ipals?
No, just enjoying what he has.
vardo, jamiebosco, ahblaza and 1 others like this.
subacabra is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #50612 of 51856 Old 07-30-2019, 10:39 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
jamiebosco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,200
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 728 Post(s)
Liked: 1763
Quote:
Originally Posted by subacabra View Post
No, just enjoying what he has.
Oh wow! I thought Dave would have been banging on Tom's door the day the Ipals dropped!
Mike Butny likes this.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
TV: Panasonic P65ST60 AVR: Denon 4311ci Speakers: PSA MTM-210C (Centre), PSA MTM-210 (Left & Right), PSA MT-110 (Surrounds) Subwoofers: Dual Seaton SubMersives
jamiebosco is offline  
post #50613 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 03:58 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ratbuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,109
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 823 Post(s)
Liked: 1123
This being the moment I realized I put nothing in the boxes to indicate who had actually sent the pair of V1510DF back to PSA (shipped a week ago, probably arrived this past Monday), I think I need to give Tom a call today :P Oops!
ratbuddy is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #50614 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 04:12 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
drh3b's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Saint Louis, MO
Posts: 3,692
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1990 Post(s)
Liked: 3896
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratbuddy View Post
This being the moment I realized I put nothing in the boxes to indicate who had actually sent the pair of V1510DF back to PSA (shipped a week ago, probably arrived this past Monday), I think I need to give Tom a call today :P Oops!
He can probably tell from the serial numbers, but touching bases is probably a good idea!

My World Beating System!
Spoiler!
drh3b is offline  
post #50615 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 04:53 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ratbuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,109
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 823 Post(s)
Liked: 1123
Quote:
Originally Posted by drh3b View Post
He can probably tell from the serial numbers, but touching bases is probably a good idea!
Oh, duh, good point
ratbuddy is online now  
post #50616 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 12:12 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 6,652
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3427 Post(s)
Liked: 10497
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiebosco View Post
Oh wow! I thought Dave would have been banging on Tom's door the day the Ipals dropped!
It is very strange. A few weeks before the TV36 was released into the wild he was super excited about his order and since his order was staggered he was even debating whether he should pick them up separately or wait for them both to be done and get them at the same time. He was even planning a GTG once he got them. Then he went dark and has not been heard from in about 8 weeks?

I'm glad subacabra knows his where abouts and that he's okay otherwise it would be worrisome. But still, hearing he cancelled his order and dropped off AVS all at the same time is a little disconcerting... and dare I say a little odd?

Then again based on how much this place causes us to keep upgrading maybe he's just the smart one.

Subwoofers: PSA TV36 iPal X2 ...Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210C Center- PSA MT110SR's Surrounds - RSL C34E Atmos... Motion Actuators: Crowson Shadow 8 - X2
Video: Samsung UN65KS9000 4K SUHD - Oppo UDP-203... AVR:Denon X4400... Gaming: XBOX ONE S

Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass Preferences
Hopinater is offline  
post #50617 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 01:08 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mike Butny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orland Park, Il
Posts: 2,102
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1070 Post(s)
Liked: 2401
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopinater View Post
It is very strange. A few weeks before the TV36 was released into the wild he was super excited about his order and since his order was staggered he was even debating whether he should pick them up separately or wait for them both to be done and get them at the same time. He was even planning a GTG once he got them. Then he went dark and has not been heard from in about 8 weeks?

I'm glad subacabra knows his where abouts and that he's okay otherwise it would be worrisome. But still, hearing he cancelled his order and dropped off AVS all at the same time is a little disconcerting... and dare I say a little odd?

Then again based on how much this place causes us to keep upgrading maybe he's just the smart one.
Step 1. Admit you have a problem.

That damn 1st step is the hardest

Equipment List: Benq W6000, Darbee DVP-5000S Video Processor, JKP Affinity 100 inch 16x9 .9 gain reference screen, Marantz SR7013 Receiver, 3-Marantz Ma700 and 2-Ma6100 monoblocks, 7.4.2 Atmos, B&W Nautilus 805 front speakers, B&W Nautilus HTM2 center speaker, 2 Volt 6 Atmos Speakers, Mirage HDT-R side speakers, Jamo THX surround one rear speakers, 2 LaVoce 21inch Neo DIY subs and 2 PSA S3600I'S.
Mike Butny is offline  
post #50618 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 01:10 PM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
 
MKtheater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hartford, NY
Posts: 18,612
Mentioned: 135 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2490 Post(s)
Liked: 2544
Nah, just embrace it!

Nothing right now
MKtheater is online now  
post #50619 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 02:32 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 6,652
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3427 Post(s)
Liked: 10497
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post
OPTION ONE: Step 1. Admit you have a problem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post
OPTION TWO: Nah, just embrace it!
LOL... I choose option two. It's so much more fun than option one.

Subwoofers: PSA TV36 iPal X2 ...Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210C Center- PSA MT110SR's Surrounds - RSL C34E Atmos... Motion Actuators: Crowson Shadow 8 - X2
Video: Samsung UN65KS9000 4K SUHD - Oppo UDP-203... AVR:Denon X4400... Gaming: XBOX ONE S

Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass Preferences
Hopinater is offline  
post #50620 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 03:12 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: So Cal.
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Liked: 281
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopinater View Post
LOL... I choose option two. It's so much more fun than option one.
Speaking of insane....The pre-sale pricing on the TV36's HASSSSS to be over by now correct!!???
GatoGoat is offline  
post #50621 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 03:13 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ratbuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,109
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 823 Post(s)
Liked: 1123
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatoGoat View Post
Speaking of insane....The pre-sale pricing on the TV36's HASSSSS to be over by now correct!!???
Pretty sure Tom said he would keep it until the incoming shipment of (Late August IIRC?) ipals sold out or arrived.
GatoGoat likes this.
ratbuddy is online now  
post #50622 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 03:19 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: So Cal.
Posts: 138
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Liked: 281
Quote:
Originally Posted by ratbuddy View Post
Pretty sure Tom said he would keep it until the incoming shipment of (Late August IIRC?) ipals sold out or arrived.
I assume that goes across the board with all the versions?
GatoGoat is offline  
post #50623 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 03:21 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ratbuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,109
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 823 Post(s)
Liked: 1123
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatoGoat View Post
I assume that goes across the board with all the versions?
Yeah, because it doesn't really make sense to have the base and neo version at regular price and the ipal on sale, everyone would just grab the ipals.
Mike Butny, SuperFist and GatoGoat like this.
ratbuddy is online now  
post #50624 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 07:23 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SC
Posts: 463
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucks0 View Post
I have been comparing older REW graphs between my V1811 and new TV36 graphs trying to visually see why the iPal drivers sound so different (better). I have always assumed it was lower distortion, but that theory isn't holding up. I am seeing pretty similar distortion numbers on most sweeps until I start pushing things really hard. Where I do see a significant difference is in the Decay, Waterfall, and Spectogram graphs. In all cases, the iPal driver shows quicker energy decay and shorter peak energy times. Maybe this is the real reason that the pro audio drivers sound so different.
Thought I would add to my previous thoughts on this subject and my current understanding of REW interpretation.

Frequency Response - This one is pretty easy to understand and is a simple measurement of the SPL at a given frequency. This is probably the graph people focus on the most although almost all of us have more SPL than we really need.

Distortion - This one is pretty easy to understand as well and shows how accurately the subwoofer reproduces what is being asked of it. I have always thought this was a really important measurement to determine how clean a subwoofer would sound, but nearly all of the high quality subs have similar distortion numbers.

Waterfall, Spectogram, etc - I am starting to understand that these paint the real picture of how clean a subwoofer will sound. REW is usually used to measure how things sound in a room and these graphs are usually used to determine what room treatments are needed. However, when measuring just a subwoofer, it also shows how long it takes for the subwoofer to stop producing sound after the input signal stops. Smearing of the bass or a lack of tightness doesn't come from what is happening while the subwoofer is receiving an input signal from the amplifier. Instead, it is the result of how quickly the subwoofer stops once the input signal is removed. Rhythmik uses Servo to use the amplifier to stop the woofer when needed while pro audio drivers like the iPal are better at stopping on their own. Big heavy objects in motion typically like to keep moving.

Of course, I could be way off base and should just sit back and enjoy the iPals.
ahblaza, mthomas47, dpc716 and 1 others like this.

Electronics: Denon X4400, Vizio M65
Sub: PSA TV36-iPal
Speakers: 3 x Chane A2.4 LCR, Klipsch Quintet Surrounds
chucks0 is online now  
post #50625 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 07:25 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SC
Posts: 463
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatoGoat View Post
Speaking of insane....The pre-sale pricing on the TV36's HASSSSS to be over by now correct!!???
The longer that pre-order pricing stays in place, the more tempted I am to add another.

Electronics: Denon X4400, Vizio M65
Sub: PSA TV36-iPal
Speakers: 3 x Chane A2.4 LCR, Klipsch Quintet Surrounds
chucks0 is online now  
post #50626 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 07:32 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Hopinater's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Central VA
Posts: 6,652
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3427 Post(s)
Liked: 10497
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucks0 View Post
The longer that pre-order pricing stays in place, the more tempted I am to add another.
Do It!

You can't afford not to.
zorax2, Mike Butny and chucks0 like this.

Subwoofers: PSA TV36 iPal X2 ...Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210C Center- PSA MT110SR's Surrounds - RSL C34E Atmos... Motion Actuators: Crowson Shadow 8 - X2
Video: Samsung UN65KS9000 4K SUHD - Oppo UDP-203... AVR:Denon X4400... Gaming: XBOX ONE S

Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass Preferences
Hopinater is offline  
post #50627 of 51856 Old 07-31-2019, 07:47 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Tom Vodhanel's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 4,830
Mentioned: 119 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3007 Post(s)
Liked: 10131
Hi all,

Until I get all of the 18ipal orders fulfilled I will honor the pre order pricing for all three TV36 models.

I'm deep into finalizing the dual 21ipal design and we may be able to get most/all of those orders fulfilled in first half of September.

I've sent out updates to everyone on the speaker back order list as well. We have something like 40 speakers on that list now.

So yeah, kinda busy. And THIS is the slow time for home audio sales too. Not complaining of course, just trying to make the best plans to scale things up moving forward.

Here's the newest idea on the R/D side of things.

How close we can get to TV36ipal performance in a 23 inch cube?

21Ipal, dual long throw 18pr, about 3500 watts.

I should have the first proto-type rocking the office over the weekend.


Tom V.
Team Power.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	PR-1.JPG
Views:	52
Size:	114.7 KB
ID:	2596954  

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep,
Tom Vodhanel is online now  
post #50628 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 12:03 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,059
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 921 Post(s)
Liked: 967
I want to share a funny moment that happened to me last year when I returned my SVS PB12-NSD and had just received my v1801. About an hour after getting it going I was a little disappointed with its performance (I was a basic 5.1 guy with zero knowledge about any of this audio stuff), so I jumped on the chat with Tom and told him that the pb12 played much stronger at the same gain level 'clock' that the v1801 was set at. He responded with something like try to not think of the gain as a max volume kind of knob, which completely threw me off lol.

Now that it's been a little over a year I completely understand what that means lol. Of course I didn't just figure this out recently, it became apparent when I began messing with REW and reaching some of the limits to my subs last year.

Just thought this would be a funny story to share, because I, as well as many of you, have learned a lot since then. I think it's part of what keeps this hobby interesting. What once didn't make sense to me, has become like I'm Neo in the matrix...I can clearly see it now.

*Edit: the PB12 is nowhere near the capability of the v1801, I just didn't know how to setup subs at the time and thought everything should work the same. Major noob move lol.

Last edited by GeoJustGeo; 08-01-2019 at 07:36 AM.
GeoJustGeo is offline  
post #50629 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 07:03 AM
Senior Member
 
powerdubs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 281
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 199 Post(s)
Liked: 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
How close we can get to TV36ipal performance in a 23 inch cube?





....takes tape measure, walks to couch. Barely bigger than the S3000...!


Which means- if it outperforms the S3600- I'm in for two of those, and still might grab two of the 12 inchers for filler spots.
zorax2, Mike Butny, sk373 and 1 others like this.
powerdubs is online now  
post #50630 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 07:19 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SC
Posts: 463
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
I'm deep into finalizing the dual 21ipal design and we may be able to get most/all of those orders fulfilled in first half of September.
Were the pricing details of the new 21" offering ever posted? If so, I missed it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
21Ipal, dual long throw 18pr, about 3500 watts.
I'm interested to see what amplifier option you plan to use that can handle the 1 OHM load of a single 21iPAL.
ratbuddy likes this.

Electronics: Denon X4400, Vizio M65
Sub: PSA TV36-iPal
Speakers: 3 x Chane A2.4 LCR, Klipsch Quintet Surrounds
chucks0 is online now  
post #50631 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 08:22 AM
Advanced Member
 
zorax2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 616
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 279 Post(s)
Liked: 321
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
I'm deep into finalizing the dual 21ipal design and we may be able to get most/all of those orders fulfilled in first half of September.
That is great news!

I thought you mentioned the 21 iPALS were coming by ship and that would likely take a while (late October / early November?). Did you find a local stash or is B&C finding a way to expedite the order for the 18s and/or 21s? Either way, I'm incredibly excited to get a pair of the new TV-42s!

And - thanks for keeping everyone informed about the great new designs and concepts you're working on - it's a lot of fun hearing about what you're working on. It's great you're finding the time to work on new ideas before the busy season hits.
Hopinater likes this.

7.2.4 with Denon X4300W, ATI 2005 & 1807 Amps, Kef Reference 203 Mains, 202c Ctr, 201 Surr, Ci200RR-THX Top Rears, Q300 Frt Hts, E301 Rear Surr, Power Sound Audio PSA dual S3600i Subs,
GIK & DIY Acoustics, JVC X790/RS540 Projector, Stewart Neve 100" Screen, Panasonic Blu-Ray DMP-UB900, Xbox One X, Crowson Transducers, INSTEON, UDI ISY994i, Amazon Echo
zorax2 is offline  
post #50632 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 08:52 AM
Advanced Member
 
dpc716's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 630
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked: 199
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
Hi all,

Here's the newest idea on the R/D side of things.

How close we can get to TV36ipal performance in a 23 inch cube?

21Ipal, dual long throw 18pr, about 3500 watts.

I should have the first proto-type rocking the office over the weekend.


Tom V.
Team Power.
Oh crap. This is not good. I've managed to dodge upgraditis for the last 7 years. I bet this would go great with the two PR subs I already have.
zorax2 and sk373 like this.
dpc716 is offline  
post #50633 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 08:57 AM
AVS ***** Member
 
mthomas47's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,228
Mentioned: 335 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5450 Post(s)
Liked: 10343
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucks0 View Post
Thought I would add to my previous thoughts on this subject and my current understanding of REW interpretation.

Frequency Response - This one is pretty easy to understand and is a simple measurement of the SPL at a given frequency. This is probably the graph people focus on the most although almost all of us have more SPL than we really need.

Distortion - This one is pretty easy to understand as well and shows how accurately the subwoofer reproduces what is being asked of it. I have always thought this was a really important measurement to determine how clean a subwoofer would sound, but nearly all of the high quality subs have similar distortion numbers.

Waterfall, Spectogram, etc - I am starting to understand that these paint the real picture of how clean a subwoofer will sound. REW is usually used to measure how things sound in a room and these graphs are usually used to determine what room treatments are needed. However, when measuring just a subwoofer, it also shows how long it takes for the subwoofer to stop producing sound after the input signal stops. Smearing of the bass or a lack of tightness doesn't come from what is happening while the subwoofer is receiving an input signal from the amplifier. Instead, it is the result of how quickly the subwoofer stops once the input signal is removed. Rhythmik uses Servo to use the amplifier to stop the woofer when needed while pro audio drivers like the iPal are better at stopping on their own. Big heavy objects in motion typically like to keep moving.

Of course, I could be way off base and should just sit back and enjoy the iPals.

Hi Chuck,

In the context of audio, in general, what you are saying makes perfect sense to me. "Clarity" in sound is characterized by precision--separating each sound as distinctly as possible from the sounds which precede it and follow it. That is especially easy to perceive with human speech. Clear diction involves careful enunciation of each syllable.

With respect to treble sounds in music, some people value that clarity more, and some people like a warmer, sweeter tone. I think that is why different kinds of tweeters, capable of playing the same frequencies with the same amounts of distortion, may appeal to one person's preference more than another. Some types of tweeters seem to separate sounds more distinctly than others do.

It makes sense that the same basic principles could apply to bass sounds as well, particularly as they get up into frequencies above about 40 or 50Hz where our hearing is better at picking up nuances in sound. So, I think your explanation may be right on the mark. Subwoofer drivers which don't start and stop quite as quickly and precisely, and which have longer corresponding decay rates, could have a somewhat thicker heavier sound compared to those that do.

Whether everyone would notice the difference as much as some other people would, or prefer the difference as much, are slightly different questions. But, the Neo's and iPal's seem especially well suited for those who value clarity and precision. All kidding aside, if you like the sound of your TV36 iPal as much as you seem to, and can afford to do so, it really would make sense to buy another one now at the pre-order price. I can only imagine the price going up in the future.

Regards,
Mike
ahblaza and dpc716 like this.

GUIDE TO SUBWOOFER CALIBRATION AND BASS PREFERENCES

* The Guide linked above is a comprehensive guide to Audio & HT systems, including:
Speaker placements & Room treatments; HT calibration & Room EQ; Room gain; Bass
Preferences; Subwoofer Buyer's Guide: Sealed/ported; ID subs; Subwoofer placement.
mthomas47 is online now  
post #50634 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 09:05 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: SC
Posts: 463
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by mthomas47 View Post
All kidding aside, if you like the sound of your TV36 iPal as much as you seem to, and can afford to do so, it really would make sense to buy another one now at the pre-order price. I can only imagine the price going up in the future.
The issue is the practicality of finding a suitable location for a second in the room. I'm hoping that Tom will find a way to create a more compact option in the future that will integrate well. I have a few other spots where I could potentially fit a 2nd TV36, but those spots don't measure well and I wouldn't be realizing the gains that would justify the purchase. If not, I may have to consider the DIY rabbit hole so that I can create a custom shape cabinet.

Electronics: Denon X4400, Vizio M65
Sub: PSA TV36-iPal
Speakers: 3 x Chane A2.4 LCR, Klipsch Quintet Surrounds
chucks0 is online now  
post #50635 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 09:11 AM
Advanced Member
 
jsc79's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Minnesota SW Metro Area
Posts: 643
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 394 Post(s)
Liked: 470
Quote:
Originally Posted by zorax2 View Post
That is great news!

I thought you mentioned the 21 iPALS were coming by ship and that would likely take a while (late October / early November?). Did you find a local stash or is B&C finding a way to expedite the order for the 18s and/or 21s? Either way, I'm incredibly excited to get a pair of the new TV-42s!

And - thanks for keeping everyone informed about the great new designs and concepts you're working on - it's a lot of fun hearing about what you're working on. It's great you're finding the time to work on new ideas before the busy season hits.
A mini gtg would be sweet to check these beasts out. lol
zorax2 likes this.

Subwoofers: Dual Rythmik FV18
Speakers: L/R Ascend Acoustics Sierra 2 - Center - Horizon w/RAAL Surrounds: Sonance VP62R SST/SUR. Vinyl:Rega Planar 3
Video: Sony XBR65X900e 65" 4K - Sony UBP-X800 Blu Ray
Power and Processing: Yamaha RXA1030 - Monolith 7X Amp - Minidsp 2X4 HD/WI-DG

Last edited by jsc79; 08-01-2019 at 09:29 AM.
jsc79 is online now  
post #50636 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 09:44 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
sk373's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,471
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 779 Post(s)
Liked: 1115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post

Here's the newest idea on the R/D side of things.

How close we can get to TV36ipal performance in a 23 inch cube?

21Ipal, dual long throw 18pr, about 3500 watts.

I should have the first proto-type rocking the office over the weekend.


Tom V.
Team Power.
God knows I don't **need** one of these. But I might be sorely tempted to trade in my S1801's toward one!

My humble main system:
Vizio M75-E1; Oppo 203 universal UHD player; Denon 4300H AVR, Dual PSA S1801's; Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 mains, RX center, and RX surrounds; one pair NHT mini Atmos speakers; Home-built HTPC (Xeon E1230, 16gb RAM, Crucial M500 480gb SSD, GeForce 980Ti, Corsair CX600, CoolerMaster mini-ITX case); Roku Premiere+; Amazon 4K Fire TV
sk373 is offline  
post #50637 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 12:43 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Mike Butny's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Orland Park, Il
Posts: 2,102
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1070 Post(s)
Liked: 2401
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
Hi all,

Until I get all of the 18ipal orders fulfilled I will honor the pre order pricing for all three TV36 models.

I'm deep into finalizing the dual 21ipal design and we may be able to get most/all of those orders fulfilled in first half of September.

I've sent out updates to everyone on the speaker back order list as well. We have something like 40 speakers on that list now.

So yeah, kinda busy. And THIS is the slow time for home audio sales too. Not complaining of course, just trying to make the best plans to scale things up moving forward.

Here's the newest idea on the R/D side of things.

How close we can get to TV36ipal performance in a 23 inch cube?

21Ipal, dual long throw 18pr, about 3500 watts.

I should have the first proto-type rocking the office over the weekend.


Tom V.
Team Power.
Do you have a price range in mind?
CallingMrBenzo and gt4viper like this.

Equipment List: Benq W6000, Darbee DVP-5000S Video Processor, JKP Affinity 100 inch 16x9 .9 gain reference screen, Marantz SR7013 Receiver, 3-Marantz Ma700 and 2-Ma6100 monoblocks, 7.4.2 Atmos, B&W Nautilus 805 front speakers, B&W Nautilus HTM2 center speaker, 2 Volt 6 Atmos Speakers, Mirage HDT-R side speakers, Jamo THX surround one rear speakers, 2 LaVoce 21inch Neo DIY subs and 2 PSA S3600I'S.
Mike Butny is offline  
post #50638 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 02:36 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
zeus33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,095
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1810 Post(s)
Liked: 1848
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucks0 View Post
I'm interested to see what amplifier option you plan to use that can handle the 1 OHM load of a single 21iPAL.

The bigger SpeakerPower (Torpedo) amps will play 1 ohm all day. They rate them at 2 ohms, but Brian (the old owner) told plenty of people that and they have been tested and handle it well. Besides, the IPAL isnt a constant 1 ohm load.

lukeamdman has used the SP amps to drive the 21" IPALs. He measured them with his meter and they were 0.7 ohms.
zeus33 is offline  
post #50639 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 02:39 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
zeus33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,095
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1810 Post(s)
Liked: 1848
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Vodhanel View Post
I should have the first proto-type rocking the office over the weekend.

It's very cool to see you "unleashed" and making some of these cool new designs. Keep up the good work Tom. I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.
zeus33 is offline  
post #50640 of 51856 Old 08-01-2019, 05:05 PM
Advanced Member
 
HYPURR DBL NKL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Noble Oklahoma
Posts: 627
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 390 Post(s)
Liked: 437
Just pulled the trigger on a V1811. Super excited, can't wait for it to get here, get it set up and check it out. 😁
Alan P, zeuspaul, zorax2 and 9 others like this.
HYPURR DBL NKL is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers

Tags
chuffitychuffchuff , chuffmaster , Denon Avr 3313ci Receiver , Denon Avr 4520ci Receiver , Denon Avr X4000 7 2 Channel Home Theater Receiver , hr chuff'n'stuff , Power Sound Audio , Power Sound Audio Triax , psa , Room Equilizer Wizard Rew , s3000i , s7201 , tv36 , v1500 , V1800 , v1801 , V3600i , Velodyne Sms 1 In Room Bass Correction Kit With Included Microphone , Xs30 , Xv15

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off