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My wife just saw that pic and I **** you not..."That looks nice in white." I might be onto something here

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Even to my eyes, which says a lot, that looks a bit over the top to me
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I haven't been on here in a while, so sorry for the question, but where did the TV36-IPAL come from? Can someone point me to specs over how this is different than the V3601?
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Since we're reminiscing, here's my first sub. A Jensen passive from a HTIB I got at a flea market in the early 90's. I still have it. Rock solid response down to 55hz!

Thanks for bringing back some old memory, about our Audio upgrade during those days
I believe my first one, was around 1986-1987. And was not square like yours, but more like a very short and small coffee table.
And was also a passive sub.


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I haven't been on here in a while, so sorry for the question, but where did the TV36-IPAL come from? Can someone point me to specs over how this is different than the V3601?

In case you haven't found your answer yet, here is a clip from Tom's post #48022 from a while back. Start reading around this post for more info...

FYI, Tom also has some info on the TV36 ipal on the his Power Sound Audio web page.





Here are the main details.


* The amplifier is our 1920w platform. I can make the argument it is putting out more power but I'm really not worried about trying to market these. At the moment interest is way beyond anything I could have hoped for anyway.

* The cabinet is the same for all three options. Two front firing 18s, single down firing 6 inch flared port, full face grill.

20x26x48( WxDxH ).

Tune is 13.5hz +/- 0.5hz.

FR is (+/-3) 15hz-150hz anechoic. 7-10hz pressurization in all but the largest rooms.

Cea-2010 will be finalized as weather/time allows. I will say along with the dramatic increase in 10-20hz performance we haven't sacrificed much mid and upper bass impact. There's *some* trade off of course, that is just physics. But even if you put the base version next to a V3611 you would be hard pressed to notice this. This is due to the fact that the V3611 was such a mid/upper bass entity that even if you lose a couple/few dB there it's hard to find source material and listening levels where it's jumps out at you.

The woofer options are as follows--- There are three.

TV36 = standard 18 inch woofers we've been using with outstanding results for quite a while now. Full details on available on any current 18 inch based product page on the website.

$2199 pre-order. $2599 is the estimated regular pricing.
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TV36neo = A high end Neo woofer from Italy(B&C). Exceptional distortion control, exceptionally strong motor, build quality and power handling/thermal limits are far beyond anything we've offered to date.

$2599 pre-order. $2999 is the estimated regular pricing.
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4

This one sound a bit different than the base version. Better overall. Similar <25hz to the base version but this driver is such a beast in efficiency it goes toe-toe with the V3611 in 40-100hz without breaking a sweat. So my one line description would be.

~ The TV36neo give you all of the violent mid and upper bass of the V3611 while pressurizing the room down to 10hz and below.
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TV36ipal + Ipal 18" woofer. Arguably the highest quality 18 inch woofer available anywhere, at any price.

$2999 pre-order. $3599 is the estimated regular pricing.

https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal

The cleanest, most linear, strongest motor woofer I have ever used/measured...and there's been nothing even remotely close. The sound quality reflects this as well. I'm not going to wax poetically, that's always been difficult. But our proprietary ICE design match with IPAL technology is truly something special.


Let the games begin. (fyi, #1 thru #7 are already in the books)


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Wait 'til she finds out how much green it will take to get the white, lol.
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Cut that 42 box about 3/4 of the way and leave 1 driver and ima be like "TV GET ME 2!!"
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A single ported 21 ipal would be pretty awesome. I could never get away with the TV42 with the wife.

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Thanks, that's all helpful to consider. I think if I had to choose between an acceptably smooth bass response anywhere on the couch vs. the added ULF, I'd opt for the smooth response; which is why I considered duals to start with. That said, I don't know what "acceptably smooth" means yet, or if it's possible with a single sub.

I captured my first ever REW measurements last night using airplay for output. (see youtube for 'Apple Engineer Talks About New 2016 Macbook Pro') I'll pick up a USB-C to HDMI cable and get more familiar with REW this weekend.

I've never had my own sub, which probably makes these measurements more difficult/impossible. I think my bookshelf speakers start to fall off around 50hz. Is that low/useful enough to find peaks and nulls in potential sub locations? Would I be placing one of the speakers in the listening position, and the umik in a sub position?
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Hi guys,

Don't hold your breathe for a tv21 anytime soon. Never say never but you guys are describing something with almost the exact cabinet size of the TV3612 , something that would perform similar, and something that would cost quite a bit more to manufacture.

So about the same size, similar performance, much higher price---to an existing product.

Nothing that gets me all that amped up..

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A single ported 21 ipal would be pretty awesome. I could never get away with the TV42 with the wife.
I dont know how low tuned it could get in a box that size , but hell , 16hz would work for me.... I think...
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Thanks, that's all helpful to consider. I think if I had to choose between an acceptably smooth bass response anywhere on the couch vs. the added ULF, I'd opt for the smooth response; which is why I considered duals to start with. That said, I don't know what "acceptably smooth" means yet, or if it's possible with a single sub.
While dependent on the room and placement, acceptably smooth frequency response is definitely possible with a single sub. With a single TV36, I am +/- 3 db starting at around 15hz with no nulls at my primary seating position and I am -6 db at around 10hz. I have a couple of secondary seats which I consider to have poor frequency response on a graph, but in real world usage, it is very difficult to hear a difference. The nulls are rather narrow and since bass content is seldom a single frequency, the nulls are masked very well by the rest of the content.

Since you are coming from "no sub", you are going to be completely blown away regardless of which way you decide to go, even if you end up with a couple of bad nulls. You basically have one gigantic null from 0 hz to ~50 hz now.

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Hi guys,

Don't hold your breathe for a tv21 anytime soon. Never say never but you guys are describing something with almost the exact cabinet size of the TV3612 , something that would perform similar, and something that would cost quite a bit more to manufacture.

So about the same size, similar performance, much higher price---to an existing product.

Nothing that gets me all that amped up..

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What's pricing look like for a full blown TV36 cab but single-cutout/single driver and the 960w amp? That might be interesting to a few people :P
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Thanks, that's all helpful to consider. I think if I have to choose between a smooth bass response anywhere on the couch vs. the added ULF, I'd opt for the smooth response. But what is 'smooth' really??
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While dependent on the room and placement, acceptably smooth frequency response is definitely possible with a single sub. With a single TV36, I am +/- 3 db starting at around 15hz with no nulls at my primary seating position and I am -6 db at around 10hz. I have a couple of secondary seats which I consider to have poor frequency response on a graph, but in real world usage, it is very difficult to hear a difference. The nulls are rather narrow and since bass content is seldom a single frequency, the nulls are masked very well by the rest of the content.

Since you are coming from "no sub", you are going to be completely blown away regardless of which way you decide to go, even if you end up with a couple of bad nulls. You basically have one gigantic null from 0 hz to ~50 hz now.

I agree with Chucks. For my set up, I am at a bit of a disadvantage as I really only have room for one sub and one location (without serious modifications to my layout (see pic below)). Sooooo, I just placed it there and get what I get. I have tried the Yamaha YPAO eq but don't really care for it. I don't measure using REW and don't have a miniDSP but keep thinking about it. But you know what, the freakin sub sounds awesome!!! I have 3 listening positions in my room (three recliners) and it sounds great in each. Now if I measured it with REW would I find some peaks/nulls? - probably. Could I improve the sound with a miniDSP to correct any peaks/nulls at the MLP? - yes. But it sounds so damn good as it is that I'm happy. Maybe I'm lucky with my room as is Chucks. Or maybe the nulls are narrow and I just can't hear them. Or maybe I can hear them but just don't know any better and don't care.

Bottom line, much of the decision will lie in what kind of sound signature you are looking for. I realize you stated you preferred a smooth response over ULF. But the ULF is addicting. The TV36 series really adds some weight to the bass as it digs deeper - but also has some incredible mid-bass punch. It is a sound that many of us like. For the type of bass I was looking for, the TV36 fits the bill - and I've been through 3 different subs in the past 2 years (SVS SB16 Ultra, JTR 2400 and now the TV36). And as Chucks pointed out, since you are sub-less, you may be happy with just one sub as anything would be better at this point in time.
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Since you are coming from "no sub", you are going to be completely blown away regardless of which way you decide to go, even if you end up with a couple of bad nulls. You basically have one gigantic null from 0 hz to ~50 hz now.
Absolutely! Going from no sub straight to a TV3612? That would absolutely blow a person away, you may want to have an ambulance on stand by the first time you play it.


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Bottom line, much of the decision will lie in what kind of sound signature you are looking for. I realize you stated you preferred a smooth response over ULF. But the ULF is addicting. The TV36 series really adds some weight to the bass as it digs deeper - but also has some incredible mid-bass punch. It is a sound that many of us like. For the type of bass I was looking for, the TV36 fits the bill - and I've been through 3 different subs in the past 2 years (SVS SB16 Ultra, JTR 2400 and now the TV36). And as Chucks pointed out, since you are sub-less, you may be happy with just one sub as anything would be better at this point in time.
Agreed. Powerful ULF by itself is addictive. Great mid-bass is also addictive. But when you combine powerful ULF with powerful mid-bass punch you have something very special...It's an incredibly addictive sound signature. I had and heard the V3601 and the Jtr 2400ULF in my room and they both had great sound and they both have their strengths. The TV36 takes both those strengths and combines them into one sub.

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Seriously, the TV36 is a very big sub yet it looks kind of average compared to it's big brother the TV42. I still love the looks of those front slot vents like the V18XX and V36XX have. I'm glad the TV42 has one, it really adds to sexiness of the sub. Bottom line, that thing is an absolute beast!

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Seriously, the TV36 is a very big sub yet it looks kind of average compared to it's big brother the TV42. I still love the looks of those front slot vents like the V18XX and V36XX have. I'm glad the TV42 has one, it really adds to sexiness of the sub. Bottom line, that thing is an absolute beast!


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Hmm...two S3612's or one TV42?!? Hehe
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I agree with Chucks. For my set up, I am at a bit of a disadvantage as I really only have room for one sub and one location (without serious modifications to my layout (see pic below)). Sooooo, I just placed it there and get what I get. I have tried the Yamaha YPAO eq but don't really care for it. I don't measure using REW and don't have a miniDSP but keep thinking about it. But you know what, the freakin sub sounds awesome!!! I have 3 listening positions in my room (three recliners) and it sounds great in each. Now if I measured it with REW would I find some peaks/nulls? - probably. Could I improve the sound with a miniDSP to correct any peaks/nulls at the MLP? - yes. But it sounds so damn good as it is that I'm happy. Maybe I'm lucky with my room as is Chucks. Or maybe the nulls are narrow and I just can't hear them. Or maybe I can hear them but just don't know any better and don't care.

Bottom line, much of the decision will lie in what kind of sound signature you are looking for. I realize you stated you preferred a smooth response over ULF. But the ULF is addicting. The TV36 series really adds some weight to the bass as it digs deeper - but also has some incredible mid-bass punch. It is a sound that many of us like. For the type of bass I was looking for, the TV36 fits the bill - and I've been through 3 different subs in the past 2 years (SVS SB16 Ultra, JTR 2400 and now the TV36). And as Chucks pointed out, since you are sub-less, you may be happy with just one sub as anything would be better at this point in time.
LOL Dave.

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LOL... My wife just walked in and caught me looking at the picture of the TV42 and said, "I respectively ask that you never look at that picture again, it will instill bad thoughts, like you wanting to get it..."

So I replied... "What? Are you worried that I will want to buy one?"

She said... YES I AM! You'll look at that and want to buy one. You have a problem with subwoofers!" Then she walked out of the room.

I have no idea what she's talking about.

Women... there's no understanding them.
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Seriously, the TV36 is a very big sub yet it looks kind of average compared to it's big brother the TV42. I still love the looks of those front slot vents like the V18XX and V36XX have. I'm glad the TV42 has one, it really adds to sexiness of the sub. Bottom line, that thing is an absolute beast!
I'm the opposite. I like the look of the full face grill on the TV36 better than the exposed slot port below the grill.

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LOL... My wife just walked in and caught me looking at the picture of the TV42 and said, "I respectively ask that you never look at that picture again, it will instill bad thoughts, like you wanting to get it..."



So I replied... "What? Are you worried that I will want to buy one?"



She said... YES I AM! You'll look at that and want to buy one. You have a problem with subwoofers!" Then she walked out of the room.



I have no idea what she's talking about.



Women... there's no understanding them.


Haha. And inside you know that she knows you better than you know yourself.

I am telling ya bud, it all starts with looking at the pics.

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That V42 looks fun. Despite not needing WAF, having the depth, and the height space, I lack the width. Just tonight I was pushing 115db (measured via REW z-weighted) bass centric music more comfortably than my house could handle. I need to remind myself "I got plenty". I look at my REW measurements and remind myself I would sacrifice sub 10hz performance just to have some massive 21" to brag about. So my only real option to go crazier would be to get a couple new S3012s to stack with my S3000is. There are other goals I want to accomplish, so it may be S3015 by the time I go that bonkers.

But oh boy does that V42 looks good!

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Strongly considering trading in 2 s3600i's towards a single TV36-ipal.

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In case you haven't found your answer yet, here is a clip from Tom's post #48022 from a while back. Start reading around this post for more info...

FYI, Tom also has some info on the TV36 ipal on the his Power Sound Audio web page.





Here are the main details.


* The amplifier is our 1920w platform. I can make the argument it is putting out more power but I'm really not worried about trying to market these. At the moment interest is way beyond anything I could have hoped for anyway.

* The cabinet is the same for all three options. Two front firing 18s, single down firing 6 inch flared port, full face grill.

20x26x48( WxDxH ).

Tune is 13.5hz +/- 0.5hz.

FR is (+/-3) 15hz-150hz anechoic. 7-10hz pressurization in all but the largest rooms.

Cea-2010 will be finalized as weather/time allows. I will say along with the dramatic increase in 10-20hz performance we haven't sacrificed much mid and upper bass impact. There's *some* trade off of course, that is just physics. But even if you put the base version next to a V3611 you would be hard pressed to notice this. This is due to the fact that the V3611 was such a mid/upper bass entity that even if you lose a couple/few dB there it's hard to find source material and listening levels where it's jumps out at you.

The woofer options are as follows--- There are three.

TV36 = standard 18 inch woofers we've been using with outstanding results for quite a while now. Full details on available on any current 18 inch based product page on the website.

$2199 pre-order. $2599 is the estimated regular pricing.
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TV36neo = A high end Neo woofer from Italy(B&C). Exceptional distortion control, exceptionally strong motor, build quality and power handling/thermal limits are far beyond anything we've offered to date.

$2599 pre-order. $2999 is the estimated regular pricing.
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4

This one sound a bit different than the base version. Better overall. Similar <25hz to the base version but this driver is such a beast in efficiency it goes toe-toe with the V3611 in 40-100hz without breaking a sweat. So my one line description would be.

~ The TV36neo give you all of the violent mid and upper bass of the V3611 while pressurizing the room down to 10hz and below.
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TV36ipal + Ipal 18" woofer. Arguably the highest quality 18 inch woofer available anywhere, at any price.

$2999 pre-order. $3599 is the estimated regular pricing.

https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal

The cleanest, most linear, strongest motor woofer I have ever used/measured...and there's been nothing even remotely close. The sound quality reflects this as well. I'm not going to wax poetically, that's always been difficult. But our proprietary ICE design match with IPAL technology is truly something special.


Let the games begin. (fyi, #1 thru #7 are already in the books)


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Is the iPal Driver better than the driver used by JTR for his Captivator line of subs?
Full specs are here:
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal

Data-bass tests the 21" version of the driver in a sealed box here:
https://legacy.data-bass.com/data?page=driver&id=54

His powersoft K-20 amp reached its limits well before the driver.
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They are both excellent drivers with completely different goals

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I may have upgrade fever now, here is the deal I am in a sealed room on concrete with 2x s3000i subs which can crank pretty darn good. I really want to go back to ported and cannot fit a dual model under my screen. I am looking at 2x v18ipal subs and I'm hoping they will be enough of an upgrade. Is there any reason to think that I will be missing anything? Thanks as always everyone this forum is the best.
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Strongly considering trading in 2 s3600i's towards a single TV36-ipal.

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Do You honestly think anybody here would tell you NO... Bad Idea...WTH are you thinking? lol


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I may have upgrade fever now, here is the deal I am in a sealed room on concrete with 2x s3000i subs which can crank pretty darn good. I really want to go back to ported and cannot fit a dual model under my screen. I am looking at 2x v18ipal subs and I'm hoping they will be enough of an upgrade. Is there any reason to think that I will be missing anything? Thanks as always everyone this forum is the best.
It would be hard for me to consider going back to a higher tuned ported if I already had 3000i subs if they have enough headroom for your listening levels. I would probably consider trading to 3012's before that. Or if the form factor doesn't work, how about a TV36 laying on it's side?

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