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WOW... it's a rare day when the PSA sub thread has little to no action. I hate days like this... it's boring. I guess we're all waiting for the "12" series to release in the next few weeks. How many people here are getting a "12" series sub?
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Me! Me! Me! V1510 to V1512 then in a couple months ill buy a 2nd V1512.
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WOW... it's a rare day when the PSA sub thread has little to no action. I hate days like this... it's boring. I guess we're all waiting for the "12" series to release in the next few weeks. How many people here are getting a "12" series sub?
What is your opinion on upgrading from an S3010 to an S3012? I know I can expect it to play louder due to more efficient drivers but what do you think the other benefits are?

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What is your opinion on upgrading from an S3010 to an S3012? I know I can expect it to play louder due to more efficient drivers but what do you think the other benefits are?

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Less distortion which will result in even cleaner bass reproduction topped off with More mid bass slam. Also less demand from wall outlet(120v). +6db more efficiency means the 12 series will likely reach the output of the previous driver with a 1/3 of the amplifier power. That equals clean effortless bass even at high volume with very low thermal losses.
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WOW... it's a rare day when the PSA sub thread has little to no action. I hate days like this... it's boring. I guess we're all waiting for the "12" series to release in the next few weeks. How many people here are getting a "12" series sub?
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S1512 ordered, although I am tempted to change it to an S1812.
If you are even the slightest bit tempted and have the money , just save yourself a bunch of time and change the order!! That what-if bug will internally haunt you to the point that you wont even enjoy what you currently have!!
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Less distortion which will result in even cleaner bass reproduction topped off with More mid bass slam. Also less demand from wall outlet(120v). +6db more efficiency means the 12 series will likely reach the output of the previous driver with a 1/3 of the amplifier power. That equals clean effortless bass even at high volume with very low thermal losses.
@zambine ... basshead did a great job answering your question, in fact its a perfect concise summary of what one can expect. The only thing I will add is the difference in the sound signature. These drivers are very very clean and precise so they hit hard and fast with extreme clarity. If I had to sum up their sound in two words they would be "Powerful Eloquence".

The V3601 and the TV36 iPal deliver a very different bass signature (aside from the obvious port tune). There is no mistaking the sound difference between them. This being the case, I'm assuming the same will play out with the new 12 PA series when compared with the standard series.

For this reason I'm really looking forward to reading reports from anyone switching from say a S3010 to a S3012 or a V1801 to a V1812. Because if its any thing like what I've experienced the two will be very different subs. You get all the effortless bass that basshead mentions PLUS that bass will be delivered with a very different sound signature. At least, that's what I'm assuming will be the case. Only time will tell.

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@zambine ... basshead did a great job answering your question, in fact its a perfect concise summary of what one can expect. The only thing I will add is the difference in the sound signature. These drivers are very very clean and precise so they hit hard and fast with extreme clarity. If I had to sum up their sound in two words they would be "Powerful Eloquence".

The V3601 and the TV36 iPal deliver a very different bass signature (aside from the obvious port tune). There is no mistaking the sound difference between them. This being the case, I'm assuming the same will play out with the new 12 PA series when compared with the standard series.

For this reason I'm really looking forward to reading reports from anyone switching from say a S3010 to a S3012 or a V1801 to a V1812. Because if its any thing like what I've experienced the two will be very different subs. You get all the effortless bass that basshead mentions PLUS that bass will be delivered with a very different sound signature. At least, that's what I'm assuming will be the case. Only time will tell.
Cant remember if there was going to be an option for upgrading say my S3601's? Was there also going to be a NEO/IPal option , or was IPal the only one offered?
On a side note from last night , I was kind of pumped and a bit buzzed from watching the Dodgers lose...So I let the 3601s loose , and well I found out our new alarm system from ADT doesnt quite like that...It was unarmed but going crazy because of the window sensors vibrating! I guess I fell asleep last week with the TV on and something must've come on with some bass and set the alarm off in the middle of the night...I think I am going to have them adjust the sensitivity. He already had it kind of high because of the cats , but I didnt take the bass into account!
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Cant remember if there was going to be an option for upgrading say my S3601's? Was there also going to be a NEO/IPal option , or was IPal the only one offered?
On a side note from last night , I was kind of pumped and a bit buzzed from watching the Dodgers lose...So I let the 3601s loose , and well I found out our new alarm system from ADT doesnt quite like that...It was unarmed but going crazy because of the window sensors vibrating! I guess I fell asleep last week with the TV on and something must've come on with some bass and set the alarm off in the middle of the night...I think I am going to have them adjust the sensitivity. He already had it kind of high because of the cats , but I didnt take the bass into account!
I was trying to find the post. Tom did post upgrade prices for the NEO and IPAL for the V3601, V1801 and the 1500 series.
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I was trying to find the post. Tom did post upgrade prices for the NEO and IPAL for the V3601, V1801 and the 1500 series.
Updates for all 18 inch based subs.(the s7201 will be reviewed at a later date).

All 18 inch subwoofers will have TWO B&C woofer options. They will have a *12* suffix or "ipal" . Website pricing will increase $150 for each single woofer product with the *12* suffix. And $400 for each Ipal.

The *12* suffix will use this woofer.
https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4

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https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal

Pre orders(with discounts) will begin soon..

* S1812 ~ $1549
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* V3612 ~ $2549
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* TV3612(formally the TV36neo) $2599
* TV36ipal $3199
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Upgrade details for all 18 inch based subwoofer models including both the NEO (https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4 ) and IPAL ( https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal ) options.

All models with a *01* and *11* suffix are eligible.

S1801
S1811
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S3611

V1801
V1811
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The following is for the lower 48 (USA) states only.

Single woofer models.

Neo upgrade $625 with a $200 core credit(so 425 after we get the old woofer back)
Ipal upgrade $1000 with a $200 core credit(800 after we get the old woofer back)

Dual woofer models.

Neo upgrade $1250 with a $400 core credit(850 after we get both old woofers back)
Ipal upgrade $2000 with a $400 core credit(1600 after we get both old woofers back)

Pricing includes all associated costs including the amp reprogram, and all shipping involved.

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A website update with this info is long past due for sure.
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Found It

Upgrade details for all 18 inch based subwoofer models including both the NEO (https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc...-0/4/18ds115-4 ) and IPAL ( https://www.bcspeakers.com/en/produc.../18-0/2/18ipal ) options.

All models with a *01* and *11* suffix are eligible.

S1801
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S3601
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V1801
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V3601
V3611

The following is for the lower 48 (USA) states only.

Single woofer models.

Neo upgrade $625 with a $200 core credit(so 425 after we get the old woofer back)
Ipal upgrade $1000 with a $200 core credit(800 after we get the old woofer back)

Dual woofer models.

Neo upgrade $1250 with a $400 core credit(850 after we get both old woofers back)
Ipal upgrade $2000 with a $400 core credit(1600 after we get both old woofers back)

Pricing includes all associated costs including the amp reprogram, and all shipping involved.

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Thats the one!!! thanks.
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WOW... it's a rare day when the PSA sub thread has little to no action. I hate days like this... it's boring. I guess we're all waiting for the "12" series to release in the next few weeks. How many people here are getting a "12" series sub?

im actually interested for a stereo setup in my living room. not looking to spend a lot but need a little more umph then the tv speakers deliver. I don't wanna spend much. trying to spend 2k max

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@Tom Vodhanel Will the new S1512 share the same or similar frequency response to the S1510? with regard to ~20hz extension?

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You know you are on AVS when 2k isn't "spending much" on a Audio system for basic needs. Lol
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If you are even the slightest bit tempted and have the money , just save yourself a bunch of time and change the order!! That what-if bug will internally haunt you to the point that you wont even enjoy what you currently have!!
That is good advice GatoGoat. I remember Hopinator posting that he liked his S1801, so I PM'd him to discuss the room he has it in. It sounded similar to mine. It is very hard for me to ignore an endorsement of the S18XX subwoofers from a person that is also running dual TV 36 iPals.

I changed my order today to an S1812. As usual, Tom was very accommodating. Can't wait to get it home!! Thanks guys.

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@Tom Vodhanel Will the new S1512 share the same or similar frequency response to the S1510? with regard to ~20hz extension?
Very similar yes. I might try to squeeze a little more <25hz but the current model (1510) is in a sweet spot sound quality wise(imo) and I don't want to mess too much with what sounds so good.

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Very similar yes. I might try to squeeze a little more <25hz but the current model (1510) is in a sweet spot sound quality wise(imo) and I don't want to mess too much with what sounds so good.

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Thanks. Nice, I spoke with Ricky today about possibly trading in my two S1811's for two S1512's purely because I want my speakers back on their stands and the 18's are too big preventing this, and the intentional roll off below 15hz the S1811 have, if the 1512's exhibit the same extension the S1500 and 1510's do, then I think that'd be the right choice for me in my room from what i had with a single S1500 when Ricky loaned me one for a couple of weeks (see attach)
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I placed an order for 2X PSA V1812 subs. This is my first time going with PSA but I've done a lot of reading and decided to give them a shot. I'm pretty excited actually, I've heard really good things about these and from what I understand, they are going to be a big step up from the R115 Klipsch subs that I currently own.
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Congrats! Yes, they will be a very big step up. Also, Tom has the best customer service in the biz.
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That is good advice GatoGoat. I remember Hopinator posting that he liked his S1801, so I PM'd him to discuss the room he has it in. It sounded similar to mine. It is very hard for me to ignore an endorsement of the S18XX subwoofers from a person that is also running dual TV 36 iPals.

I changed my order today to an S1812. As usual, Tom was very accommodating. Can't wait to get it home!! Thanks guys.
I think you'll be happy with the 18". After hearing 18" subs and 15" subs side by side I found the overall impact of the 18" subs to be more intense. They just plain sound different, they seem to burrow right into your soul a little deeper.

Did I set this up to be a fair scientific test? Heck no, nor do I care to... it's just a personal observation. But I'm not alone, I've seen a lot of posts from guys who have moved up in the subs and commented on the same phenomena. Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean 15" subs aren't incredible. I loved my XV15SE's and Basshead has three ICE XV15se's that can crumble the walls. It's just a different bass than the 18" subs and the difference is NOT night and day by any means... but its there IMO.

I assume that's partly why the craze for 18", 21" and now 24" subs is growing. A few years ago I remember seeing a DIY guy who built a 24" sub note that it's a completely different world of bass and he was coming from 18" and 21" subs. So I maintain there is something to the notion that bigger drivers bring a a deeper bone crushing bass. And the bigger you go the more crushing it gets.

Sigh... I'm sure the experts could break it down and show me I'm wrong but if that's the case we all might as well just buy two or three dual opposed 12" subs and place them strategically around the room and forget the big subs all together.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I know basshead had a V1801 for a little while and IIRC he noted a difference. @basshead81 do you remember if you heard a difference in presentation?

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I think you'll be happy with the 18". After hearing 18" subs and 15" subs side by side I found the overall impact of the 18" subs to be more intense. They just plain sound different, they seem to burrow right into your soul a little deeper.

Did I set this up to be a fair scientific test? Heck no, nor do I care to... it's just a personal observation. But I'm not alone, I've seen a lot of posts from guys who have moved up in the subs and commented on the same phenomena. Now, don't get me wrong, that doesn't mean 15" subs aren't incredible. I loved my XV15SE's and Basshead has three ICE XV15se's that can crumble the walls. It's just a different bass than the 18" subs and the difference is NOT night and day by any means... but its there IMO.
I'm hoping that my planned BOSS build will fill in the gap from 15-3hz.. If it does I'll probably stick with my two S1811's as apart from the early roll off I'm perfectly happy with them.. the extra headroom above 15hz makes them worth keeping IMO. It's just a shame I can't get my speakers back into their stands with the subs in their current situe Just been watching Creed at -5MV and 4db hot.. the walkout music around 1h44m is just pure insanity, but completely effortless for the S1811's I think it'd be pure insanity on my part to downsize just for the sake of it

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Here is my REW graph at my third listening position, I will do an update when I play it with BEQ! It could use some more SPL between 10 and 15hz
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[QUOTE=Hopinater;58677242]I think you'll be happy with the 18". After hearing 18" subs and 15" subs side by side I found the overall impact of the 18" subs to be more intense. They just plain sound different, they seem to burrow right into your soul a little deeper.


You sold me 😊. I have one of the original S1500 and it has been a great sub. The sealed 18 has been on my wish list since the day they were introduced. The new and improved woofers put it farther up the list and reading positive reviews from owners such as Hop put it over the top.

The S1812 will replace my V1500 in my HT system. I am not very astute on all the tech stuff, I just like reasonable bass. We don’t listen at extremely high master volume, so I am thinking the S18’s lower output under 30 hz will not be a significant issue. If I am correct, the S18 will be stronger above 30hz than my V1500 and overall sound quality with the new woofer will be superior.

I originally ordered the S1512 because I wanted to reduce the footprint and weight of my system components. Guess I didn’t do too good of a job on that front, but that S1812 kept calling my name. I sold the wife on the fact that it is 5 inches shorter. Overall weight is close to break even between the 1500 and 1812, as the new woofers are a little bit heavier. This may be my last HT woofer, so I didn’t want to buy the S1512 and regret not getting the 1812. I am however paying close attention to that Value 12 that’s due out. I have a 2 channel system in a small sealed office that includes an SVS SB-12 NSD. It does a decent job in that room and system, but I am thinking the new PSA 12 will likely be much better. Thanks for all the advice guys. This forum is a great resource.

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I'm hoping that my planned BOSS build will fill in the gap from 15-3hz.. If it does I'll probably stick with my two S1811's as apart from the early roll off I'm perfectly happy with them.. the extra headroom above 15hz makes them worth keeping IMO. It's just a shame I can't get my speakers back into their stands with the subs in their current situe Just been watching Creed at -5MV and 4db hot.. the walkout music around 1h44m is just pure insanity, but completely effortless for the S1811's I think it'd be pure insanity on my part to downsize just for the sake of it
I have dual S1801’s, and I love them. I think the way to go is the Neo or iPal upgrade kit for them (prolly Neo). 😊
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