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Ok, I wasn't sure because he stated "In fact we're out of stock on speakers until mid November now".

Which is definitely fine, I am ok with the wait. I just upped my budget by $400 to opt for the 18 and I want to make sure I have the funds available.
When he says speakers he means the speaker line up (MTM210's and MT110's). When I was setting up my friend's order Tom told me speakers have been selling like hot cakes. Right now two guys in the speaker thread just posted they just received their speaker orders in the past day so it makes sense that Tom is out of cabinets for speakers right now.

You should be good, it sounds like subwoofers are good to go and I agree with what bassheaad said, it appears that new subs are available but because of high sales Tom will have to hold off offering upgrades for legacy products already out in the field.

I think PSA has hit warp speed with a whole new level of products and sales. It's fun to see.

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If I was a betting man, I'd guess Tom will invest in some CNC equipment and start making cabinets in-house once they're in that new building. That seems to be a constant bottleneck in PSA keeping inventory.

Me, I'm just waiting for news on the Value 15 and 21 to see what I'll replace the TV36ipals with - one of those, or a V1512DF
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When he says speakers he means the speaker line up (MTM210's and MT110's). When I was setting up my friend's order Tom told me speakers have been selling like hot cakes. Right now two guys in the speaker thread just posted they just received their speaker orders in the past day so it makes sense that Tom is out of cabinets for speakers right now.



You should be good, it sounds like subwoofers are good to go and I agree with what bassheaad said, it appears that new subs are available but because of high sales Tom will have to hold off offering upgrades for legacy products already out in the field.



I think PSA has hit warp speed with a whole new level of products and sales. It's fun to see.
This is true, I posted pics of my New PSA speakers on Reddit, and i got a crap ton of Private messages asking me where I got them... Then a lot of people were saying there are like THX speakers without the THX price and a lot of Reddit users ( younger millennials) thanked me for the info and they went to purchase PSA speakers. I'm very happy for Tom V , he definitely deserves this success. I just hope of one of these days he can go on vacation and not worry about his business.
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I don't think that's old Ray. The big dual 18" ported subs (going back to the V3600) all had the front vent. If you look at the big sub it has the feet and no front port so it must be the down firing TV36.
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I saw in your signature you returned the Monolith 15. How come? To be clear, I think you're going to be very happy with PSA and went with PSA myself, I'm just curious about why you returned the Monolith as I've heard that is a good performer.
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Do you guys keep the shipping container from your IPAL36? I am struggling on where to store that beast of a box!
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Do you guys keep the shipping container from your IPAL36? I am struggling on where to store that beast of a box!
I usually keep such boxes until the return window has closed at least. But then again, I have quite a few extra rooms to keep that kind of stuff in.
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So if I order a V1812 this week delivery would not be until late November? Is my card charged right away or upon shipping? Just making sure I can afford this right now since I am opting for the 18.

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they charge your card at time of order, so for me I waited over a month before my IPAL36 was delivered.
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Do you guys keep the shipping container from your IPAL36? I am struggling on where to store that beast of a box!

Yes, I keep all of my boxes for electronic purchases just in case I want to sell something later, move etc. (I probably keep too many of them ). Many of my boxes are in the attic of the garage, the big ones like TV boxes and the TV36 are in my storage shed.
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Do you guys keep the shipping container from your IPAL36? I am struggling on where to store that beast of a box!
I keep all my A/V boxes. For the big ones, I break them down so they store much easier - i.e. the boxes can then lay flat. You do have to find storage for the packing materials, but that's easier than finding room for a massive box.
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If I was a betting man, I'd guess Tom will invest in some CNC equipment and start making cabinets in-house once they're in that new building. That seems to be a constant bottleneck in PSA keeping inventory.
When we bought our CR Onsrud it opened up a lot of doors for what we could do in house. I don't make speakers, but, cutting out speaker cabinets would be super easy... I'd imagine finishing them is more of an issue than cutting. Just a guess.

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Yes, I keep all of my boxes for electronic purchases just in case I want to sell something later, move etc. (I probably keep too many of them ). Many of my boxes are in the attic of the garage, the big ones like TV boxes and the TV36 are in my storage shed.
I had to get rid of my boxes, absolutely no room for that! If I wanted to trade up I wonder if I could buy boxes from Tom and have them shipped or something?
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Hi Guys, I currently have dual v1811s and while they are performing well, I feel like I need more tactile response. My listening area is open and on concrete. The seating area is fairly close to the subs. Set them up using audyssey xt32. Do you think I would have noticeably more tactile response by upgrading to dual v3612s? I usually watch movies at -10 from reference. Willing to spend the money for the upgrade but not if it won’t produce a fairly noticeable tactile response difference. I have used rew and there are no significant dips or peaks... fairly flat. Also, the v1811s are not being pushed hard. Audyssey xt32 had me set the gain at 9 o’clock. The listening area is fairly large. I’m thinking audyssey would have had me set the gain higher if the room was too big for the subs? Again, they aren’t being pushed hard with the 9 o’clock gain setting from audyssey. After Audyssey was run I had sub levels of -11.5. I have them running 6db hot at -5.5. I appreciate any feedback to help me decide whether the upgrade to the dual v3612s would be worth it.
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When we bought our CR Onsrud it opened up a lot of doors for what we could do in house. I don't make speakers, but, cutting out speaker cabinets would be super easy... I'd imagine finishing them is more of an issue than cutting. Just a guess.







I had to get rid of my boxes, absolutely no room for that! If I wanted to trade up I wonder if I could buy boxes from Tom and have them shipped or something?
Tom did include a box for my S3000i when I was going to trade it in when I got the S36's......Dont remember if there was a charge...Thing came on its own pallet as well.
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Tom did include a box for my S3000i when I was going to trade it in when I got the S36's......Dont remember if there was a charge...Thing came on its own pallet as well.
Nice. He has thought of it all!
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Hi Guys, I currently have dual v1811s and while they are performing well, I feel like I need more tactile response. My listening area is open and on concrete. The seating area is fairly close to the subs. Set them up using audyssey xt32. Do you think I would have noticeably more tactile response by upgrading to dual v3612s? I usually watch movies at -10 from reference. Willing to spend the money for the upgrade but not if it won’t produce a fairly noticeable tactile response difference. I have used rew and there are no significant dips or peaks... fairly flat. Also, the v1811s are not being pushed hard. Audyssey xt32 had me set the gain at 9 o’clock. The listening area is fairly large. I’m thinking audyssey would have had me set the gain higher if the room was too big for the subs? Again, they aren’t being pushed hard with the 9 o’clock gain setting from audyssey. After Audyssey was run I had sub levels of -11.5. I have them running 6db hot at -5.5. I appreciate any feedback to help me decide whether the upgrade to the dual v3612s would be worth it.
If you are not pushing the V18s, you could try upping the sub trim a bit, but in an open floor plan and on concrete, I would steer you towards some form of tactile transducer. Crowsons (expensive, but plug-n-play) or The BOSS (much less expensive, DIY) are the two most popular and effective solutions around this forum.
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Hi Guys, I currently have dual v1811s and while they are performing well, I feel like I need more tactile response. My listening area is open and on concrete. The seating area is fairly close to the subs. Set them up using audyssey xt32. Do you think I would have noticeably more tactile response by upgrading to dual v3612s? I usually watch movies at -10 from reference. Willing to spend the money for the upgrade but not if it won’t produce a fairly noticeable tactile response difference. I have used rew and there are no significant dips or peaks... fairly flat. Also, the v1811s are not being pushed hard. Audyssey xt32 had me set the gain at 9 o’clock. The listening area is fairly large. I’m thinking audyssey would have had me set the gain higher if the room was too big for the subs? Again, they aren’t being pushed hard with the 9 o’clock gain setting from audyssey. After Audyssey was run I had sub levels of -11.5. I have them running 6db hot at -5.5. I appreciate any feedback to help me decide whether the upgrade to the dual v3612s would be worth it.
If the V1811s aren't being pushed hard, I wouldn't upgrade. Do you have a MiniDSP? I'd recommend disabling Audyssey for the LFE channel using the Editor App, and instead EQing it yourself with MiniDSP. Audyssey did terrible things with my LFE, it absolutely neutered it. If you usually listen around -10dB, then I would disable Audyssey for the LFE and turn off DEQ, then I would create your own curve in the LFE to taste. If you want more TR, then maybe have things a bit hotter in the upper bass. I mean these V1811s have a ton of headroom in that punch you in the chest zone, that's where they sing, you could absolutely boost that a bit. You'll likely end up with a curve that gets increasingly hot as the bass gets deeper (since that is where our ears are less sensitive).

Then you can add a tactile transducer to Alan's point.
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Do you guys keep the shipping container from your IPAL36? I am struggling on where to store that beast of a box!
Unfortunately I had to get rid of mine. I had no place to keep them. If I had been able to save them, I would have traded in the subs for something smaller already :/ Not sure the logistics of buying replacement boxes for them, or how they'd be strapped down for shipment.

Has anyone traded in a V3601 or similar, without having saved the original box?
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Do you guys keep the shipping container from your IPAL36? I am struggling on where to store that beast of a box!
I have kept a lot of my boxes but the TV36 iPal boxes I just cut up and put in the recycling. I knew there was no way I was going to send them back.

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Hi Guys, I currently have dual v1811s and while they are performing well, I feel like I need more tactile response. My listening area is open and on concrete. The seating area is fairly close to the subs. Set them up using audyssey xt32. Do you think I would have noticeably more tactile response by upgrading to dual v3612s? I usually watch movies at -10 from reference. Willing to spend the money for the upgrade but not if it won’t produce a fairly noticeable tactile response difference. I have used rew and there are no significant dips or peaks... fairly flat. Also, the v1811s are not being pushed hard. Audyssey xt32 had me set the gain at 9 o’clock. The listening area is fairly large. I’m thinking audyssey would have had me set the gain higher if the room was too big for the subs? Again, they aren’t being pushed hard with the 9 o’clock gain setting from audyssey. After Audyssey was run I had sub levels of -11.5. I have them running 6db hot at -5.5. I appreciate any feedback to help me decide whether the upgrade to the dual v3612s would be worth it.
You will definitely notice a difference in the TR if you moved up the the TV3612 but that's partly because of the ULF. I'm not sure what you would get from the V3612. My older V3601's didn't provide the TR I get with the TV36 iPal's. I actually forgot to turn on my Crowsons one time and didn't notice it at first because of the TR I was getting from my TV36 iPals. Having said that, the TR still does not replace what I get from having my Crowsons turned on. A concrete floor is very hard to get adequate TR just from subwoofers alone. For that reason I agree whole heartedly with what Alan wrote in the quote below.

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If you are not pushing the V18s, you could try upping the sub trim a bit, but in an open floor plan and on concrete, I would steer you towards some form of tactile transducer. Crowsons (expensive, but plug-n-play) or The BOSS (much less expensive, DIY) are the two most popular and effective solutions around this forum.
This is good advice IMO.

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Unfortunately I had to get rid of mine. I had no place to keep them. If I had been able to save them, I would have traded in the subs for something smaller already :/ Not sure the logistics of buying replacement boxes for them, or how they'd be strapped down for shipment.

Has anyone traded in a V3601 or similar, without having saved the original box?
Yes, I have. But I don't think what I did will be helpful to you. I live six hours from PSA so I packed my V3600's carefully in our old minivan and drove them up to PSA and drove home with V3601's. It was a long day but I saved on shipping and packaging and it allowed me to meet @ahblaza (who was also going to be at PSA that day) and I also got to see Tom and Jim so it was a good day. I also took Tom and Jim a bunch of craft beers from local VA breweries as well.

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anybody in SF Bay Area for audtion? especially the "big" subs from PSA. TIA
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I'm in Brentwood, and I have a TV36 ipal.
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Nice. Is it possible to audition them ?
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In response to the boxes question, I bought 2 MTM-210 's off a forum member that did not have the boxes and Tom was kind enough to ship the OEM boxes (for a price) to the fella, which in turn shipped the speakers in OEM boxes to me. Was super happy about that!

I then went and got a brand new 210c from Tom as well. He may be able to accommodate, just ask 🙂




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... I'd imagine finishing them is more of an issue than cutting. Just a guess.

Tom already does finishing on site.
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Unfortunately I had to get rid of mine. I had no place to keep them. If I had been able to save them, I would have traded in the subs for something smaller already :/ Not sure the logistics of buying replacement boxes for them, or how they'd be strapped down for shipment.



Has anyone traded in a V3601 or similar, without having saved the original box?
I didn't have my original v3601 boxes, but Tom charged me a little bit more on my TV36ipal preorder to include boxes to return the v3601s in. He also credited my account for some decent ratchet tie downs I bought to secure the v3601s to the pallets. It was much easier to box up the subs than I thought it would be (see attached pic). Once boxed up, I just scheduled a freight pickup and that was it. As soon as they arrived back at PSA, Tom credited my account. Their great customer service is for real.

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Tom already does finishing on site.
Yeah, I'm just saying in my experience finishing is a lot harder than cutting. If he got a decent CNC machine, they could knock cabinets out of 4x8s extremely fast. He could also get pretty creative with nesting, maybe even across multiple products, and have lower waste. A lot of times cabinet shops won't nest across multiple products because they don't know what you'll buy, and also they just charge you for the wood anyways so not much incentive. Maybe a specific sub might take a sheet and a half lets say, and they might just scrap that last piece of wood or use it for something else rather than trying to nest in another popular subs bracing or something. I'm just spitballing and pulling stuff out of my butt, but the CNCs are absolutely awesome to have in house. You can get very creative with the programming, do interesting things that a cabinet shop wouldn't bother to do. You do have to have someone watch them, but they could be doing something else (maybe assembling cabinets) while the machine runs, realistically.
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Nice. Is it possible to audition them ?

Sure. PM me and we can set something up.
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I've seen The Widdler at a few shows over the years. If you like pre-wobble (which is when it went to garbage) dubstep you might like Distance - My Demons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMHevuJGlU

Actually that whole album is great.

The Widdler Lady Dub is good too, not sure if that's on the streamers or not.

Not super bassy but extremely ambient and works great with upmixers, but if you like that style of music I'd recommend some 2step/garage type stuff like Burial's album Untrue. Sounds amazing on a huge system.
I just listened to these and also the first 4 songs on the untrue album. I wouldn't say its music I particularly like as a favorite but I do enjoy listening to this stuff when I want a change of pace in music or just looking to have fun and crank the subs or listen to the neat effects. ill finish the album this weekend. Thank you for the recommendations im always down for new material

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