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What a world of difference from my SVS PB12-ISD from 14 years ago!!!



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Can i integrate a s3000i with a s1500?
I’ve currently have a s3000i and 15s integrated in my room. Having an issue with another 15s but it’ll be those three subs soon.

It wasn’t hard to get the two to integrate. Just methodically work through REW and mess with the built in delays/crossover options. Measure at multiple seating positions once you get it dialed in at the MLP and fine tune from there.
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WOW... that shows how great of a deal the TV3612 is. IMO the TV3612 is one of the best subs on the market and when you look at it through the scope of price/performance/sound signature it IS the best subwoofer on the market (IMHO).
See, it's comments just like this that are slowly tipping me to the dark side of the fence!






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Would a single TV3612 non Ipal have more output than dual V1801s?
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Check out the movie Crawl. Some liked it some did not but I really enjoyed it.
cool I will give it a shot thanks!
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Would a single TV3612 non Ipal have more output than dual V1801s?


Below 20-25hz likely. The TV is tuned lower


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When my wife cries "foul!", I'm blaming you Hop................

Hi Alan,

I admired your earlier post saying that you wanted to experiment more with your current sealed subs, to make sure that you were getting the most out of them, before worrying too seriously about migrating to low-tuned ported subs. That is a sensible and logical thing to do, and you should certainly do just that.

But, what the heck do words like "sensible" and "logical" have to do with our audio/HT hobby, anyway? I think it is just a matter of time before you try some TV3612's, in your large room on concrete, and my personal prediction is that, if you do, you will never go back to sealed subs.

I don't even have to invite you to come to the Dark Side. It is already beckoning you, all on its own!

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pretty strong content to 15hz id say! when I jacked it up 6db over my normal it really came to life
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It’s not instant results it’s time consuming but worth it. Not only that but the MiniDSP allows you to use BEQ which is the best upgrade anybody can do to a home theater and it’s only $200. What’s the point have having three beast subs then playing movies with filtered bass ?

Keep working at it and when you get good results hop over into the BEQ thread.
this is probably my next buy! iv been wanting it forever and just haven't had the time, and with BEQ in my sealed room and sealed subs DUDEEEEE!

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Hi Alan,

I admired your earlier post saying that you wanted to experiment more with your current sealed subs, to make sure that you were getting the most out of them, before worrying too seriously about migrating to low-tuned ported subs. That is a sensible and logical thing to do, and you should certainly do just that.
That was exactly what I was thinking. Sensible. Logical.


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But, what the heck do words like "sensible" and "logical" have to do with our audio/HT hobby, anyway? I think it is just a matter of time before you try some TV3612's, in your large room on concrete, and my personal prediction is that, if you do, you will never go back to sealed subs.
You know me (us!) too well! I believe no matter how much testing or tweaking I now do with my current subs, the seed has been planted...and it's growing exponentially each and every day!

I'm pretty much only waiting for it to get out of the single digits around here so I can dig into the back of my shed for the packaging to send my subs back to Tom.
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Would a single TV3612 non Ipal have more output than dual V1801s?
In my room, the single TV36 iPal is stronger the my dual V1811s were at pretty much all frequencies. The difference is substantial down low.

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congrats! enjoy! well I guess I don't have to tell you to enjoy...… ill challenge you to not enoy it actually! next time a big bass scene hits and that powerhouse PSA sub comes to life i dare you not to grin ear to ear lol

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congrats! enjoy! well I guess I don't have to tell you to enjoy...… ill challenge you to not enoy it actually! next time a big bass scene hits and that powerhouse PSA sub comes to life i dare you not to grin ear to ear lol


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When my wife cries "foul!", I'm blaming you Hop................
Alan, when have you ever been on the "light" side of the fence....wife crying foul and blaming Hop, you could do better than that. Those are very poor excuses, the seed was planted well before this, it must be a young sapling by now ready for trimming. I think you've already made the decision it's just a matter of working out a deal with Tom and regardless of the weather (single digits) your shed will have four less boxes in it soon.....
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Can the TV3612 or TV36 ipal be on their side? Or would that change their performance?
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Can the TV3612 or TV36 ipal be on their side? Or would that change their performance?

Yes, and No, in that order!

The acoustic center of the subwoofer would change slightly, if the sub were lying down, compared to standing upright. So, its interaction with room modes might be slightly different. Or, maybe not! Any difference in room mode interaction might be completely undetectable, just as it might be if you rotated a subwoofer slightly.

But, in any event, the subwoofer's inherent performance capabilities would be unchanged, and it would sound and operate exactly the same. There are at least a few people on the thread who have pictures of their subs lying on their sides, as part of their normal operation.

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Yes, and No, in that order!

The acoustic center of the subwoofer would change slightly, if the sub were lying down, compared to standing upright. So, its interaction with room modes might be slightly different. Or, maybe not! Any difference in room mode interaction might be completely undetectable, just as it might be if you rotated a subwoofer slightly.

But, in any event, the subwoofer's inherent performance capabilities would be unchanged, and it would sound and operate exactly the same. There are at least a few people on the thread who have pictures of their subs lying on their sides, as part of their normal operation.

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That is my plan when (if...I meant IF!) I get my TV36s. I plan to lay them on their sides along the back wall. I'm just not sure whether the ports should be facing the corners or facing each other...of course, I plan to try it both ways.


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@Alan P , you might as well just go Full Send and get dual TV42's. TV36's are not going to be a significant enough of a upgrade coming from what you have. TV42 is tuned lower, looks better with the slot port, will retain single digit extension, and you will be going to quad 21's. If you are going to spend the money you might as well get the OMG, WTF ===> Mind Blown experience!!
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@Alan P , you might as well just go Full Send and get dual TV42's. TV36's are not going to be a significant enough of a upgrade coming from what you have. TV42 is tuned lower, looks better with the slot port, will retain single digit extension, and you will be going to quad 21's. If you are going to spend the money you might as well get the OMG, WTF ===> Mind Blown experience!!

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Can the TV3612 or TV36 ipal be on their side? Or would that change their performance?
Tom said there is no issue with running the sub woofers in that manner, if only somebody here was currently using dual TV3612s in that configuration......

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Very funny Gif we have to be careful Alan because we are being told to get the best subwoofer no matter the cost or WAF. I was actually talking to the G/F and she said i don't want those huge boxes in the room. I told her this room is huge and they won't be that bad and she said do what you want. Now i don't know how most people take that but to me that is a yes lol or i think it is either way if i do get the V3612 or the TV3612 (I prefer the look of the slotted port) they are not going back! She did say of course she is fine with dual V1812's ipals go figure.

Decisions, Decisions MTHOMAS you are an enabler lol but you make good points lol.
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@Alan P , you might as well just go Full Send and get dual TV42's. TV36's are not going to be a significant enough of a upgrade coming from what you have. TV42 is tuned lower, looks better with the slot port, will retain single digit extension, and you will be going to quad 21's. If you are going to spend the money you might as well get the OMG, WTF ===> Mind Blown experience!!
DAMN YOU BH! Now you have me actually considering TV42s.............


FYI, I was considering the 36s because I may at some point want to add a third up front, but after listening to my system for a few days with only the rear subs playing, I think I'm fine with subs in the back only...especially if they almost span the entire wall!! Dual 42s laid on their sides is NINE FEET WIDE!
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DAMN YOU BH! Now you have me actually considering TV42s.............


FYI, I was considering the 36s because I may at some point want to add a third up front, but after listening to my system for a few days with only the rear subs playing, I think I'm fine with subs in the back only...especially if they almost span the entire wall!! Dual 42s laid on their sides is NINE FEET WIDE!
FYI, the TV42's make really crappy side tables. I have to reach way up now to get my beer.
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FYI, the TV42's make really crappy side tables. I have to reach way up now to get my beer.
Just look at the door compared to the 42. LOL. Now that is a subwoofer.

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Very funny Gif we have to be careful Alan because we are being told to get the best subwoofer no matter the cost or WAF. I was actually talking to the G/F and she said i don't want those huge boxes in the room. I told her this room is huge and they won't be that bad and she said do what you want. Now i don't know how most people take that but to me that is a yes lol or i think it is either way if i do get the V3612 or the TV3612 (I prefer the look of the slotted port) they are not going back! She did say of course she is fine with dual V1812's ipals go figure.

Decisions, Decisions MTHOMAS you are an enabler lol but you make good points lol.
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That is my plan when (yes...I meant WHEN!) I get my TV36s. I plan to lay them on their sides along the back wall. I'm just not sure whether the ports should be facing the corners or facing each other...of course, I plan to try it both ways.


Alan, I corrected this for you.
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@Alan P , you might as well just go Full Send and get dual TV42's. TV36's are not going to be a significant enough of a upgrade coming from what you have. TV42 is tuned lower, looks better with the slot port, will retain single digit extension, and you will be going to quad 21's. If you are going to spend the money you might as well get the OMG, WTF ===> Mind Blown experience!!
Hmmmm, I do like this idea. You make excellent points BH and your logic is sound (except I thought the TV42 was tuned a little higher than the TV36). Either way, it doesn't matter... Alan either needs to go dual TV42's or at the very least go ahead and get three TV36's right out of the gate. I support either course of action.
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Alan P already has dual T18HT and dual 3000i. So WAF doesn't appear to be a issue. Lol
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Hmmmm, I do like this idea. You make excellent points BH and your logic is sound (except I thought the TV42 was tuned a little higher than the TV36). Either way, it doesn't matter... Alan either needs to go dual TV42's or at the very least go ahead and get three TV36's right out of the gate. I support either course of action.
The 42ipals say "In-room extension: 8Hz-11Hz" while the 36ipals say "11Hz-14Hz", so I'm assuming the 42s are tuned lower.

It's almost time to bring this up to the wife...wish me luck!
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I am a lucky man, my wife doesn't have a problem with any of my HT indulgences....at least until she hears how much a particular piece of gear costs.

The 42ipals say "In-room extension: 8Hz-11Hz" while the 36ipals say "11Hz-14Hz", so I'm assuming the 42s are tuned lower.

It's almost time to bring this up to the wife...wish me luck!
I see I need to visit the PSA website, I didn't know the tuning point of the TV42.

Okay, good luck and don't take no for an answer.
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