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Quick and basic first thoughts on the TV42 pair after nothing but a quick XT32 cal...



- Getting -3dB extension down to 7 Hz! It falls off super fast below this in my room. Very happy with this extension.



- Performance does not disappoint on a couple of quick test clips. Haven't had the chance to do a cal with the MiniDSP in the chain for BEQ yet, looking forward to that soon though.


-Amplifier hum is real and noticeable to me. I originally had both of my TV42 side by side behind my couch (laid on end with amps at opposite ends of couch) and the hum of both subs together was enough to be distracting. It bothered me enough that I moved my subs so that I have one flanking either side of my couch still laying on the side. With them separated like this (and not directly behind me) I can barely hear any hum (still there, but very quiet and acceptable to me).


- Related...WOW are these difficult to move alone! Once it was on it's side it took everything I had to get my fingers under it and lift it back upright to move to the other side of my couch. Much easier to move when upright, especially with some sliders under the legs. If you are going to lay it on its side, though...plan ahead



- Not related to the subs surely but suddenly I have a wide null from 1000 - 5000 Hz that wasn't there before...what's that about? Nothing in the room changed except the subs were swapped out, and the new subs aren't in the field of the other speakers or anything. Maybe an anomaly in the XT32 cal.
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That TV1812 is the perfect sub for a lot of people wanting to get into the LT sub world. I stand by what I've said in the past, a LT subwoofer is a complete game changer, the bass hits you with more weight and TR and since it's a ported sub the ULF hits with enough SPL to make it real! You'll never look at bass the same again.
I'm actually thinking about trading my dual S3600's in for a pair and then use my twin 21's and put them in 2 ported cabs so I can still have 4 subs. Damn, yesterday I was all set on picking up an Eminence NSW6021-6 21" driver for another DIY sub later this year. Or do I trade my dual S3600's for PSA's lower-priced 210's? Same components as their current 210's but Chinese cabs. Decisions decisions.
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The price on the TV18 is a bit shocking......So its about $200 cheaper to get a box built in China , comparing to the V1812's current $1599 price....And its an even bigger box...
Yeah, I don't think the cabinets built in China have nearly the quality of finish the cabinets built in Ohio do but they sure do bring the price down on the end product. I gotta be honest, at that price point I half wondered if I should get a TV1812 and put it near field. But I'm not using my subs to their full capability as it is so I talked myself back down off that ledge... for now.

Today showed me I like subwoofers way too much, I see one and I want it. I need help.

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I'm actually thinking about trading my dual S3600's in for a pair and then use my twin 21's and put them in 2 ported cabs so I can still have 4 subs. Damn, yesterday I was all set on picking up an Eminence NSW6021-6 21" driver for another DIY sub later this year. Or do I trade my dual S3600's for PSA's lower-priced 210's? Same components as their current 210's but Chinese cabs. Decisions decisions.
Yeah, those are two very tough decisions... So just do both.

Whats the worse that can happen? You eat Raman Noodles and hot dogs for six months until the wallet stops smoking? Its worth it.
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The price on the TV18 is a bit shocking......So its about $200 cheaper to get a box built in China , comparing to the V1812's current $1599 price....And its an even bigger box...
Guys,
The way I read Tom's post was that he was combining comments about the new speaker line with the TV1812/IPAL18 (as built in Ohio subs, not built in China). He also mentioned the prices as short-term because: they are not ready yet and the woofer delay from Italy.
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The price on the TV18 is a bit shocking......So its about $200 cheaper to get a box built in China , comparing to the V1812's current $1599 price....And its an even bigger box...
Those are the pre-order prices.
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Yeah, those are two very tough decisions... So just do both.

Whats the worse that can happen? You eat Raman Noodles and hot dogs for six months until the wallet stops smoking? Its worth it.

That's good stuff right there Hop
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Quick and basic first thoughts on the TV42 pair after nothing but a quick XT32 cal...



- Getting -3dB extension down to 7 Hz! It falls off super fast below this in my room. Very happy with this extension.



- Performance does not disappoint on a couple of quick test clips. Haven't had the chance to do a cal with the MiniDSP in the chain for BEQ yet, looking forward to that soon though.


-Amplifier hum is real and noticeable to me. I originally had both of my TV42 side by side behind my couch (laid on end with amps at opposite ends of couch) and the hum of both subs together was enough to be distracting. It bothered me enough that I moved my subs so that I have one flanking either side of my couch still laying on the side. With them separated like this (and not directly behind me) I can barely hear any hum (still there, but very quiet and acceptable to me).


- Related...WOW are these difficult to move alone! Once it was on it's side it took everything I had to get my fingers under it and lift it back upright to move to the other side of my couch. Much easier to move when upright, especially with some sliders under the legs. If you are going to lay it on its side, though...plan ahead



- Not related to the subs surely but suddenly I have a wide null from 1000 - 5000 Hz that wasn't there before...what's that about? Nothing in the room changed except the subs were swapped out, and the new subs aren't in the field of the other speakers or anything. Maybe an anomaly in the XT32 cal.
Tell me about it! We laid them down and then put the sliders underneath...it was NOT easy getting our fingers under there.

I'm impressed that you were able to lift the TV42 upright by yourself...I don't think I would even want to try! Someday, I would like to stand them up in the rear corners just to see if it sounds any different, or try one up front/one in back, but the thought of moving them is soooooo intimidating, kinda stresses me out...maybe someday.

I haven't noticed any hum from mine yet and hope not to!
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Yeah, I don't think the cabinets built in China have nearly the quality of finish the cabinets built in Ohio do but they sure do bring the price down on the end product. I gotta be honest, at that price point I half wondered if I should get a TV1812 and put it near field. But I'm not using my subs to their full capability as it is so I talked myself back down off that ledge... for now.

Today showed me I like subwoofers way too much, I see one and I want it. I need help.
Hop, you know your subwoofer senses are starting to tingle for the TV4212'S. It's just a matter of time



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Here's what I got after bringing down a peak at 31Hz (-3dB) and adding a LS (+8dB @ 30Hz) with the MiniDSP. The response for the "Old Subs" has five PEQ filters and the same LS.

Pretty impressive that only two ported subs can dig almost as deep as four sealed subs in my room. Yes, I know, they are two GIANT LT ported subs.

You guys think it would be beneficial to try and cut that peak around port-tune (~14Hz) or just leave it be?

I'm going to try to re-run Audyssey tonight and see how that sounds....I've been running without Audyssey for a few years now, so should be interesting.


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Here's what I got after bringing down a peak at 31Hz (-3dB) and adding a LS (+8dB @ 30Hz) with the MiniDSP. The response for the "Old Subs" has five PEQ filters and the same LS.

Pretty impressive that only two ported subs can dig almost as deep as four sealed subs in my room. Yes, I know, they are two GIANT LT ported subs.

You guys think it would be beneficial to try and cut that peak around port-tune (~14Hz) or just leave it be?

I'm going to try to re-run Audyssey tonight and see how that sounds....I've been running without Audyssey for a few years now, so should be interesting.



Alan, How big is your room? I'm kind of shocked that you had to add an LS 8dB at 30hz for both setups. Your room must be big and open. BTW, I'm using a LS 6dB at 30hz for my DIY 21's and it does bring up the low end and I have a feeling an LS filter at 30hz is in Tom's DSP settings, this is just a guess though.

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Alan, How big is your room? I'm kind of shock that you had to add a LS 8dB at 30hz for both setups. Your room must be big and open. BTW, I'm using a LS 6dB at 30hz for my DIY 21's and it does bring up the low end and I have a feeling an LS filter at 30hz is in Tom's DSP settings, this is just a guess though.
Right around 5K^3...so yeah, pretty big.
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Right around 5K^3...so yeah, pretty big.
Ok. What do you think of the sound from a pro driver? I love the mid-bass they provide.

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Ok. What do you think of the sound from a pro driver? I love the mid-bass they provide.
As I said earlier, need more listening time to get a proper impression....will report back on that as soon as I can!
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I don’t want to bother Tom, but does anyone know anything about the subwoofer shortage? Is it supposed to rectify soon?
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Last I heard, new drivers were anticipated toward the end of March.

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The way I read Tom's post was that he was combining comments about the new speaker line with the TV1812/IPAL18 (as built in Ohio subs, not built in China). He also mentioned the prices as short-term because: they are not ready yet and the woofer delay from Italy.
Ok that makes sense....I read it as the TV box being built in China as well...He was probably busy speed writing , and i usually speed glance at things....

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Those are the pre-order prices.
Ahhhhh...See quote above lol.....So it will end up probably close or little more than the V18....There is a $250 price difference between V36 & TV36 , so might be a little less with a smaller box? Oh well , ill stop speculating and start packing my S3601's
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Something I've thought about before is: what if you place the V1812/V3612/TV3612/TV42 upside down? That way, the port is more in line your body rather than just above the floor, so you'd feel more port wind and maybe more TR? I wonder why ports are usually placed at the bottom of subs rather than the top, I'm guessing it's just due to aesthetic reasons.

Turning those beasts upside down will require some effort so someone with the V18 series of subs should try this and report back.

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Hey guys, i have a blant question i suppose, at the moment i own one s3010 and soon im thinking about upgrading to 2x s3012, but i have itch to try vented sub, it's not that easy as im based in UK and i know trials and returns wont be an easy job or maybe even not possible, but in your opinion guys what is more powerful in terms of db and bass : 2x S3012 or V1812 Ipal ? like i said might be a stupid question to ask but im curious what will give more headroom.
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Hey guys, i have a blant question i suppose, at the moment i own one s3010 and soon im thinking about upgrading to 2x s3012, but i have itch to try vented sub, it's not that easy as im based in UK and i know trials and returns wont be an easy job or maybe even not possible, but in your opinion guys what is more powerful in terms of db and bass : 2x S3012 or V1812 Ipal ? like i said might be a stupid question to ask but im curious what will give more headroom.
What's your room dimensions and is it open or closed? I would go the dual S3012 route as it would provide much more extension. You might want to look at the TV1812 which will be available in a few months.

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What's your room dimensions and is it open or closed? I would go the dual S3012 route as it would provide much more extension. You might want to look at the TV1812 which will be available in a few months.
LIVING ROOM 17' 4" x 15' 5" (5.28m x 4.7m)

So this is more or less i see the layout for subs, which will be at the back wall by the sofa
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LIVING ROOM 17' 4" x 15' 5" (5.28m x 4.7m)

So this is more or less i see the layout for subs, which will be at the back wall by the sofa
Are you on a suspended or concrete floor? I would be looking at either dual S3012's or dual TV1812's. If on concrete I would be leaning toward the TV1812's.


Edit: You said you wanted to try ported so I would go the dual TV1812 route.
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LIVING ROOM 17' 4" x 15' 5" (5.28m x 4.7m)

So this is more or less i see the layout for subs, which will be at the back wall by the sofa
Assuming 8ft ceilings you are roughly at 2150 cuft. But it looks like the kitchen is open to the living room. If it is, then you should include that in your measurements as well.

If your total open space is 2150 cuft then I agree with Mike, I would consider going with dual S3012's over a single V1812. Especially with two subs flanking your couch in a near field configuration.

If you do have to add in the kitchen and your open space starts to climb above 3000 cuft then ported subs may become more interesting to you. However, I still think I would rather have two S3012's than one V1812.

Then there is the TV1812. If that is an option for you then that might be something to seriously consider... better still would be dual TV1812's. In the end I would say dual TV1812's is the best option (but I like LT subs so I'm biased).

EDIT: LOL... I see Mike posted again while I was writing. Looks like we agree with one another.
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One thing I noticed about all these New TV3612 & TV42s getting measured with REW is everyone is saying they get a quick drop off at 10hz. Not sure if some of you guys know this but the Umik-1 is calibrated down to 10hz. Cross spectrum does make a Umik-1 that is calibrated to 5hz. This could be the reason why so many are experiencing the drop-off at 10hz

http://cross-spectrum.com/measuremen...ated_umik.html
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Are you on a suspended or concrete floor? I would be looking at either dual S3012's or dual TV1812's. If on concrete I would be leaning toward the TV1812's.


Edit: You said you wanted to try ported so I would go the dual TV1812 route.
I really don't know if its concrete or suspended, i didn't moved in yet there, neither don't have construction details about the building yet. Thing with the TV1812's we still dont know how long it will take for Tom to finish this project on top of that im based in UK so i think this would cause even longer awaiting time, might drop email to distributor over here and see if he can get some more info about it from Tom. Only thing what concern about TV18' is the height dimension, could be quite hard to make waf friendly in living room

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Assuming 8ft ceilings you are roughly at 2150 cuft. But it looks like the kitchen is open to the living room. If it is, then you should include that in your measurements as well.

If your total open space is 2150 cuft then I agree with Mike, I would consider going with dual S3012's over a single V1812. Especially with two subs flanking your couch in a near field configuration.

If you do have to add in the kitchen and your open space starts to climb above 3000 cuft then ported subs may become more interesting to you. However, I still think I would rather have two S3012's than one V1812.

Then there is the TV1812. If that is an option for you then that might be something to seriously consider... better still would be dual TV1812's. In the end I would say dual TV1812's is the best option (but I like LT subs so I'm biased).

EDIT: LOL... I see Mike posted again while I was writing. Looks like we agree with one another.
Hey buddy, kitchen is separated the side bit what maybe confused is a dinning table area, then next to it is kitchen over the wall. I never mentioned going single V1812, either would be dual S3012's or dual V1812. But now you got me both so confused about that TV1812 so scratch the V1812 then and now lets consider TV1812 vs S3012's, obviously i would like to go Ipal version for the TV1812, did Tom mention when we can expect that model ?

Ps. Can you please elaborate for me about LT subs, i don't really know what it means
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I really don't know if its concrete or suspended, i didn't moved in yet there, neither don't have construction details about the building yet. Thing with the TV1812's we still dont know how long it will take for Tom to finish this project on top of that im based in UK so i think this would cause even longer awaiting time, might drop email to distributor over here and see if he can get some more info about it from Tom. Only thing what concern about TV18' is the height dimension, could be quite hard to make waf friendly in living room



Hey buddy, kitchen is separated the side bit what maybe confused is a dinning table area, then next to it is kitchen over the wall. I never mentioned going single V1812, either would be dual S3012's or dual V1812. But now you got me both so confused about that TV1812 so scratch the V1812 then and now lets consider TV1812 vs S3012's, obviously i would like to go Ipal version for the TV1812, did Tom mention when we can expect that model ?

Ps. Can you please elaborate for me about LT subs, i don't really know what it means
LT is low tune, though I’m not sure what it is lower than, maybe lower than 20hz?

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I really don't know if its concrete or suspended, i didn't moved in yet there, neither don't have construction details about the building yet. Thing with the TV1812's we still dont know how long it will take for Tom to finish this project on top of that im based in UK so i think this would cause even longer awaiting time, might drop email to distributor over here and see if he can get some more info about it from Tom. Only thing what concern about TV18' is the height dimension, could be quite hard to make waf friendly in living room



Hey buddy, kitchen is separated the side bit what maybe confused is a dinning table area, then next to it is kitchen over the wall. I never mentioned going single V1812, either would be dual S3012's or dual V1812. But now you got me both so confused about that TV1812 so scratch the V1812 then and now lets consider TV1812 vs S3012's, obviously i would like to go Ipal version for the TV1812, did Tom mention when we can expect that model ?

Ps. Can you please elaborate for me about LT subs, i don't really know what it means
LT subs are Low Tuned ported subs. The port tune is a key part of vented subs. The V1812 is tuned somewhere around 20 to 22Hz while the TV1812 will be tuned anywhere between 11 to 14Hz. Tom is still making the final design decisions but he said it will be somewhere in that range.

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LT subs are Low Tuned ported subs. The port tune is a key part of vented subs. The V1812 is tuned somewhere around 20 to 22Hz while the TV1812 will be tuned anywhere between 11 to 14Hz. Tom is still making the final design decisions but he said it will be somewhere in that range.
Gotcha guys, so do you think dual TV1812 will outperform dual s3012's? I know it is silly question to ask including other things into consideration (room, setup, acoustics, preference) but I would like to get as much as I can and don't look back rethinking if I did the right thing, want to be somehow future proofed in terms of power and headroom, I would be disappointed if in a few months I would be thinking hmmm I'm missing some power here and volume, would be nice to know there is plenty left in the tank before maxing those out.
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