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Take the prongs on the power cords and bend them in slightly so the connection is snug...problem solved.
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Take the prongs on the power cords and bend them in slightly so the connection is snug...problem solved.
Why not do it right and replace the outlet........
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Httyd 2 is terrible for bass

For animated bass movies:

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Thanks Brian, I thought both HTTYD movies had good bass, but for the life of me I can't remember why lol. I'll have to look into the others, I love Finding Nemo and Incredibles so those are great additions! Never seen 9 but I'll have to check it out.

Also thanks to everyone for talking Oblivion up so much. Already have that one and just need to queue it up - sounds like I'm in for a treat.
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This is worse than being 8 and on xmas eve, my V1800s are on a FedEx truck roaming around town out for delivery...

8/13/2015 - Thursday
4:23 am On FedEx vehicle for delivery KENNESAW, GA

What's worse is I likely won't have time to do anything other than stare at them until Saturday even when they do show up ;-(
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Why not do it right and replace the outlet........
Yup, outlet is very inexpensive, figure out what circuit breaker and turn it off then replace the outlet. Poor connections can create resistance or open circuit, which creates heat which in the end is not good. Last thing you want is unstable power with the swings in draw a sub pulls.

I ran 2 new 20amp dedicated lines one for each sub because I was not willing to screw around with not giving the subs all the clean power they want. Putting a line conditioner in between to make sure no spike or brown outs hurt them and all set.

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Thanks Brian, I thought both HTTYD movies had good bass, but for the life of me I can't remember why lol. I'll have to look into the others, I love Finding Nemo and Incredibles so those are great additions! Never seen 9 but I'll have to check it out.

Also thanks to everyone for talking Oblivion up so much. Already have that one and just need to queue it up - sounds like I'm in for a treat.
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@Alan , maybe you should leave well enough alone. It just sounds like a connectivity issue to me. Maybe the receptacles are older I don't know, but the wiggling is suspect to something amiss. Take the wall plate off and visually inspect the wire connections, sometimes they get a little loose and wiggling them may work for a while but it's not a permanent fix. Since they're both on the same circuit even if one is loose it will effect both outlets as they come from the same junction box. Visually check them out, it can't hurt.

I'm not a certified electrician but I've replaced numerous outlets in my older home because of the same problem you're having, I decided to put two 20 amp dedicated circuits in my room thus eliminating any other connected devices on the same line. Speaking of connected devices in line, it could be the mini and this could be happening before getting to the subs.

If everything looks good try my 3 in 1 oil tweak, I used to get a lot of arcing or like a static charge when plugging and unplugging components. Or you can just keep reading by candle light all night and let the 18s sit there looking good

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Take the prongs on the power cords and bend them in slightly so the connection is snug...problem solved.
Tried that, made no difference...at least when I wiggle the plug (they are silent "at rest" now, so maybe that's what fixed that).


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Why not do it right and replace the outlet........
This is what I'm gonna do....what are they, like $3 each?


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Thanks Brian, I thought both HTTYD movies had good bass, but for the life of me I can't remember why lol. I'll have to look into the others, I love Finding Nemo and Incredibles so those are great additions! Never seen 9 but I'll have to check it out.

Also thanks to everyone for talking Oblivion up so much. Already have that one and just need to queue it up - sounds like I'm in for a treat.
I can confirm that HTTYD2 is very weak in the bass department, especially compared to the first one.
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Why not do it right and replace the outlet........
Because it is something easy to try before you take the next step which would be replacing the receptacle.


Sounds like Alan tried that already, so now it's time to replace the receptacle.
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Santa's Elves (FedEx) arrived!! He earned the tip I gave him, as you can see from my driveway ;-)

These things are huge, the listed dimensions do not let you realize how big they are, and heavy! Over 110bs each! I am so itching to at least fire one of these up tonight!

Thank you Santa (Tom)!! Can't wait to try them and give you all feedback!

If I am looking at serial number do I have V1800s #8 and #9 ?
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Santa's Elves (FedEx) arrived!! He earned the tip I gave him, as you can see from my driveway ;-)

These things are huge, the listed dimensions do not let you realize how big they are, and heavy! Over 110bs each! I am so itching to at least fire one of these up tonight!

Thank you Santa (Tom)!! Can't wait to try them and give you all feedback!

If I am looking at serial number do I have V1800s #8 and #9 ?
Please let us know what you think of the V1800s. Duals are the way to go. Well Done Sir!
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This is what I'm gonna do....what are they, like $3 each?
The cheapest ones are $0.69 each or 10 for $4.90 at Home Depot...
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Santa's Elves (FedEx) arrived!! He earned the tip I gave him, as you can see from my driveway ;-)

These things are huge, the listed dimensions do not let you realize how big they are, and heavy! Over 110bs each! I am so itching to at least fire one of these up tonight!

Thank you Santa (Tom)!! Can't wait to try them and give you all feedback!
Very Nice!.. It's always a good day when the PSA subs arrive!
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I will set one up in about an hour, but the size is intimidating ;-) Thinking the dual S1500 or V1500s would have been better fit from a l look perspective at least, but once I get blown out of my seat I will forget what they look like ;-)

They are going to dwarf my Klipsch RP-280Fs, going to need RF-7iis to be proportional

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I will set one up in about an hour, but the size is intimidating ;-) Thinking the dual S1500 or V1500s would have been better fit from a l look perspective at least, but once I get blown out of my seat I will forget what they look like ;-)

They are going to dwarf my Klipsch RP-280Fs, going to need RF-7iis to be proportional
Funny thing about size. The quality and impressiveness of the sound shrinks the sub size in many a person’s eye . I remember full well when I bought the XS30, I thought, “Man is this thing big, especially compared to my SB13.” Now, I think it’s not big at all and is a comfortable size.

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I can confirm that HTTYD2 is very weak in the bass department, especially compared to the first one.

Yep, it ranked 364th on the bass movie list versus 17th for the original.
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I will set one up in about an hour, but the size is intimidating ;-) Thinking the dual S1500 or V1500s would have been better fit from a l look perspective at least, but once I get blown out of my seat I will forget what they look like ;-)

They are going to dwarf my Klipsch RP-280Fs, going to need RF-7iis to be proportional
Same thing went through my mind when I went from a BA PV600 to the XS30 and it happened again when I went to dual S3000i.

They get smaller the longer you own them.

Enjoy the new gear !
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I will set one up in about an hour, but the size is intimidating ;-) Thinking the dual S1500 or V1500s would have been better fit from a l look perspective at least, but once I get blown out of my seat I will forget what they look like ;-)

They are going to dwarf my Klipsch RP-280Fs, going to need RF-7iis to be proportional
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Funny thing about size. The quality and impressiveness of the sound shrinks the sub size in many a person’s eye . I remember full well when I bought the XS30, I thought, “Man is this thing big, especially compared to my SB13.” Now, I think it’s not big at all and is a comfortable size.

Enjoy the audition!
Dsrussell speaks the the truth. The better a large sub performs the smaller it get in one's eyes (but not the wife's).

For example...Now when I look at my V3600 it doesn't look very big at all. Now it only looks like a compact refrigerator instead of a compact car.

I also agree with grebda. I suspect in another month or so the V3600 won't look much larger than a toaster.
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For example...Now when I look at my V3600 it doesn't look very big at all. Now it only looks like a compact refrigerator instead of a compact car.
Now if only PSA subwoofers would keep our beers cold... better get on top of that, Tom and Jim!
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Now if only PSA subwoofers would keep our beers cold... better get on top of that, Tom and Jim!
That's why mine sits next to my kegerator. Best of both worlds.
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Call it the Sub Zero Woofridge!
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OK I could not resist getting at least one V1800 set up and tuned up. Excuse the rushed phone pic. I ran a few movie scenes and then a few initial songs. Nothing very critical yet. A few things, it does sound tighter down low compared to my PC-Ultra, not sure if that is the difference of down firing corner loaded vs front firing ported in additional to the bigger driver working so little.

I ran a quick 6 position Audyssey and noticed as expected due to the size of this driver I had to have the gain almost at zero and still Audyessy set sub to -11.5db. I think I should get some 12db attenuators as from what I have read they wind up being closer to 6db anyway.

Next and getting the duals set up will help this I hope, but the sweet spot has moved it seems. My PC-Ultra was in same exact spot and my seating is about 13-14 feet in front of right speaker. While the bass is good there if you to the left directly in the front line of the sub the gain is huge (you feel it in your chest) and also a bit boomy, very surprising as the sub is pointed directly into that left sofa and it was not that much with the Ultra in same position. I was thinking of leaving them ion the corners, but now surely want to bring them next to the credenza and push the R/L fronts further apart.

I could not resist running the Edge of Tomorrow opening and the V1800 handled it very well, I did hear the driver flutter, but that is likely just the 10Hz sound of the driver. It never dropped/rolled off so bad I could not hear it, but it was likely not very clean. Other scenes felt richer and seemed to have more depth.

I will spend more time this weekend with it, running it through more paces movies and music. This thing is a beast, thank goodness for furniture super sliders ;-)
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What you talking about? That thing looks tiny!

Yeah, you should move your mains away from the stand regardless. It's not good to have the front baffles of your speakers level with the front of the stand (that goes for your CC as well, pull it out a couple inches if you can). I'd try the subs next to the stands and the mains further apart...and toed in.
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Wow Tom... absolutely great job on the veneer options for the S1500 and S3000i!!!! I'm looking forward to seeing how good the MT-110 and MTM-210 look with the veneer options you have. Keep up the great work!
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OK I could not resist getting at least one V1800 set up and tuned up. Excuse the rushed phone pic. I ran a few movie scenes and then a few initial songs. Nothing very critical yet. A few things, it does sound tighter down low compared to my PC-Ultra, not sure if that is the difference of down firing corner loaded vs front firing ported in additional to the bigger driver working so little.

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Next and getting the duals set up will help this I hope, but the sweet spot has moved it seems. My PC-Ultra was in same exact spot and my seating is about 13-14 feet in front of right speaker. While the bass is good there if you to the left directly in the front line of the sub the gain is huge (you feel it in your chest) and also a bit boomy, very surprising as the sub is pointed directly into that left sofa and it was not that much with the Ultra in same position. I was thinking of leaving them ion the corners, but now surely want to bring them next to the credenza and push the R/L fronts further apart.

I could not resist running the Edge of Tomorrow opening and the V1800 handled it very well, I did hear the driver flutter, but that is likely just the 10Hz sound of the driver. It never dropped/rolled off so bad I could not hear it, but it was likely not very clean. Other scenes felt richer and seemed to have more depth.

I will spend more time this weekend with it, running it through more paces movies and music. This thing is a beast, thank goodness for furniture super sliders ;-)
A few thoughts... having the V1800 corner loaded doesn't make it sound "boomy"? I like your set-up a lot. I wonder if you wouldn't benefit from a wider sound stage by having your floor standing speakers as far apart as possible and then placing the V1800 equally between the TV stand and the left front speaker. This might still benefit from corner loading the sub but I think it could help it sound less boomy (if you are having the effect as I have) and also you'd benefit from a wider sound stage with the front mains.
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Yeah, you should move your mains away from the stand regardless. It's not good to have the front baffles of your speakers level with the front of the stand (that goes for your CC as well, pull it out a couple inches if you can). I'd try the subs next to the stands and the mains further apart...and toed in.
I agree. Move the speakers out and toe them in a little (it might take some playing around to get it right). IMO having the mains a bit wider helps cast a better sound stage as well.

I would try the putting the subs where the speakers are and see how that works.

Enjoy, the sub looks beautiful.
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I like those veneers a lot. They are absolutely beautiful.

Oneeyeblind...I appreciate the way you let us see what's getting posted on the PSA Facebook page because I never think of visiting it so I would be missing out on all that current info if it wasn't for you. Thank you.
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A few thoughts... having the V1800 corner loaded doesn't make it sound "boomy"? I like your set-up a lot. I wonder if you wouldn't benefit from a wider sound stage by having your floor standing speakers as far apart as possible and then placing the V1800 equally between the TV stand and the left front speaker. This might still benefit from corner loading the sub but I think it could help it sound less boomy (if you are having the effect as I have) and also you'd benefit from a wider sound stage with the front mains.
I actually have 2 V1800s, I just set one up today becaus I have to cut some new F/R speaker cables as I plan on putting each V1800 on either side of credenza then put the F/R speakers just outside the subs toe'ed in. That should dump and corner boom, balance the lows have the lows directly pointed toward me.

I was leaning toward sealed, but figured by taking sealed subs with no corner loading would make getting the lower extension of a sealed harder. This way dual V1800s will have the the headroom without corner loading to drive thigh clean SPL without breaking a sweat.

I do need to pick up some attenuators as the gain is barely above off to keep Audyssey from dropping sub more than -12db.
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I actually have 2 V1800s, I just set one up today becaus I have to cut some new F/R speaker cables as I plan on putting each V1800 on either side of credenza then put the F/R speakers just outside the subs toe'ed in. That should dump and corner boom, balance the lows have the lows directly pointed toward me.

I was leaning toward sealed, but figured by taking sealed subs with no corner loading would make getting the lower extension of a sealed harder. This way dual V1800s will have the the headroom without corner loading to drive thigh clean SPL without breaking a sweat.

I do need to pick up some attenuators as the gain is barely above off to keep Audyssey from dropping sub more than -12db.
That's a great idea! I too would have opted for the V1800 over the sealed variant. Although, with the veneer options now available on the S3000i it would be a harder sell for me to pass them up (they are just stinking beautiful!) The only other reason I would go sealed for my theater living room is if I wanted to have a smaller look. As an avid movie watcher it is priceless having the ULF come with ease though. With that said, I am building an DA Ultimax sealed kit for the bedroom but I have every intention of cranking it up full of music. Had I known there would be veneer options for the S3000i and S1500 I likely would have opted out of building my own and gone with one of them.
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Yes those veneers are beautiful, the S3000i Espresso was tempting, if it were not for side amps I would have ordered a pair of those. I think a pair of V1500s would have been fine for me, but with the pre-order pricing on the V1800s it was hard not to "go big". This weekend I will cut some new F/R cables and rearrange the setup and bring the V1800's twin into play!

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