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The Triax 15s were like 42 pounds IIRC. These are about 29-30 IIRC. The original vendor decided to take our deposit and use it for other purposes unbeknownst to us.

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Ah - ok, I remember something shady with the vendor went down right at the last minute.
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End of fiscal in what appears to be a larger/maybe corporate company. I know why you went boom-been there in operations for a corpration and not there any longer because it takes it's toll. I have been back at a midsize family owned company for 10 years now-challenges are at every job/career, but I dont go boom nearly as much and I sleep well at night.

I am really looking forward to your impressions and pics of the new toy !!
No excuse for me to boom, its only work. I called Tom during lunch and apologized. When you're wrong your wrong, I have no problem admitting that when its true. No surprise we had a nice discussion and I look forward to doing business with PSA for many years to come and hopefully contributing to this thread in a productive manner. I expect to hear bass differently very soon.
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With my old sub sold, hopefully I can sneak away from work this afternoon and get this thing out of my office and get the old one sent to the buyer. The big question is can I handle this on my own and how long it takes my wife to notice. As for furniture pads/movers drussell - we have a bunch of those since our house is 100% hardwood or laminate, great suggestion though, money well spent.
Start coughing and sneezing now and then in an hour spritz your face with a little water like you're sweating and burning up with a fever. Then say you think you need to go home. Finally…grab your sub and run for it before they piece it all together.
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thanks! I was up nat 1am last night with my mind racgin...how am I going to get it into my room its so big and heavy? I need speaker wire...I need to take my screen off to get the third xs30 behind the screen...I need y-splitters...uggg and I need to...re-run Dirac...and calibrate all over again! (i HATE running dirac...or any other ARC)

I have to zero out the minidsp 2x4...then time align...set the raw FR of the T^2...run dirac...set levels so 0.0 is 85db...bump up sub levels by 4-6 db...set house curve in minidsp 2x4...test them out

such a long process....nevermind once I finally decide to finish the cab on the T^2...I was trying to wrap my head around how to take all the drivers out...then get them back in since all 3 sides of the triax has 2 drivers...there is no side I can just lay on the floor for thagt last side of driver installs.

Tom? any suggestions?

This thing needs to get there...so I can sleep at night hahahah
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dsrussell and Brian..I know exactly what you mean. I got my 2nd V3600 and the two 110sr's last Wednesday. The sub itself took a day of moving and trying different locations (no easy task with a V3600).

BUT I knew the day I switched to the 110's for surrounds I would have a lot of work ahead of me because the new speakers were being relocated from the place where the old surrounds had been. That meant rerunning wire, hiding the new wire and wall repair and painting (where the old speakers had been hung on the wall).

But the first step was getting the new subs playing nice with each other which meant running REW. Then getting the new speakers hung in place. Then running Audyssy (I hate this step). Anyway you get the point.

Well…last night...a full week after I got my new toys I finally finished patching and painting to hide where the old surrounds had been.

The point? Getting new toys is still worth all the work that goes with them because I'm loving all of it (now that it's done).

But I spent some sleepless hours in bed thinking through where things would go and how I would pull it off.
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Start coughing and sneezing now and then in an hour spritz your face with a little water like you're sweating and burning up with a fever. Then say you think you need to go home. Finally…grab your sub and run for it before they piece it all together.
I saw that picture you put up when you acquired half of Tom's warehouse You could grab my sub and run, but 120 lbs. is going to require I go borrow a handcart from one of my departments. It's going to be an early day, but the wife is home right now so waiting for her to go back to work. Email notifications on the alarm system can be useful.
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Well not really seeing that I went DIY after my XS30's
I know but you went back to dual opposed but 18" units is what I am getting at. If you had 15's and 18" variants on hand, I doubt the 18's would be going back.
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I just watch Mad Max Fury Road and posted in the speaker thread regarding the incredible audio effects in the movie. But allow me to say here that MMFR with dual V3600's is AWESOME!!!!!!

Now if you'll excuse me I need to call a structural engineer to schedule an inspection and make sure my house is still safe to occupy.
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Thank you for reminding me, believe it or not I have the ability to come to these conclusions on my own, especially after sleeping on it, even though the process was fairly quick last night. It would still be nice to see Tom's post come down as I have done with mine, working on the olive branch thing and maybe I helped sales for 30 minutes like ShadyJ does. If there is anything in a post that you guys think I need to zap please let me know. As I said last night, trying to hit rewind. When I woke up this morning I spent a little time in the shower trying to figure out what made me go boom. Sorry it was here.

With my old sub sold, hopefully I can sneak away from work this afternoon and get this thing out of my office and get the old one sent to the buyer. The big question is can I handle this on my own and how long it takes my wife to notice. As for furniture pads/movers drussell - we have a bunch of those since our house is 100% hardwood or laminate, great suggestion though, money well spent.
You are good...we all have our moments. I just had to razz you a bit.
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My first post here! I'm a new member of the PSA family but not like you guys.......I have only one little S1500 which I dearly love. I hug it every night before I go to bed. I popped in to say that some of you guys really need a hand truck. It would pay for itself in lowered medical bills. I'm thinking about adding a second S1500 for our small HT area.
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If you are married to someone that does not appreciate bass you may want to rethink visiting
If you are single or have a bass head partner...come on in, we will get the S3600 sale started for you
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If you are married to someone that does not appreciate bass you may want to rethink visiting
If you are single or have a bass head partner...come on in, we will get the S3600 sale started for you
Thanks! I've already started the psychological campaign explaining how we "need" more bass reinforcement provided by a second sub. She approves of the improvement in sound quality due to the S1500. Getting WAF is a process best approached patiently . The room is too small to hide another big box. I'm willing to compromise and only add one more sub as opposed to a quartet of them .
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So true. The last time I reran Audyssey late at night I tested the results with chapter 16 of "Oblivion" and I didn't make it halfway through the chapter before my wife showed up. She was sleeping at the opposite end of the house on another level. At roughly -20... with the dedicated room's doors closed.

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So true. The last time I reran Audyssey late at night I tested the results with chapter 16 of "Oblivion" and I didn't make it halfway through the chapter before my wife showed up. She was sleeping at the opposite end of the house on another level. At roughly -20... with the dedicated room's doors closed.
Know what you mean. When I start a tune and test music/video session my wife retreats to her hobby shop/craft room.

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Hi all,

We've been having connection problems all day. On for 5 minutes off for 15. Jim is out getting a new router now which will hopefully take care of it. Anyway, I must have dropped 20 chats today so far...very sorry! And our phones are on the same line so they may or may not work at any given time.

The good news is I managed to get all the fedex labels printed out and we handed over a pretty big load to fedex today. We're 100% caught up with ALL products and all new orders should ship within one business day.. (except for the special production run of XS15se and XV15se---those are still on schedule for mid OCT-ish).

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Hi all,

We've been having connection problems all day. On for 5 minutes off for 15. Jim is out getting a new router now which will hopefully take care of it. Anyway, I must have dropped 20 chats today so far...very sorry! And our phones are on the same line so they may or may not work at any given time.

The good news is I managed to get all the fedex labels printed out and we handed over a pretty big load to fedex today. We're 100% caught up with ALL products and all new orders should ship within one business day.. (except for the special production run of XS15se and XV15se---those are still on schedule for mid OCT-ish).

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Hi all,

We've been having connection problems all day. On for 5 minutes off for 15. Jim is out getting a new router now which will hopefully take care of it. Anyway, I must have dropped 20 chats today so far...very sorry! And our phones are on the same line so they may or may not work at any given time.

The good news is I managed to get all the fedex labels printed out and we handed over a pretty big load to fedex today. We're 100% caught up with ALL products and all new orders should ship within one business day.. (except for the special production run of XS15se and XV15se---those are still on schedule for mid OCT-ish).

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Tom - don't feel bad, AVS has double post itis going on. I had trouble last night with this and others are reporting it throughout. Congrads on all the sales and soon to be happy members of the PSA family. Steve

P.S. that's a heads-up it just happened on your last post I quoted
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Okay guys.. I need your help. I promised my wife I would trade in my last XV15se if I got the 2nd V3600 (to help defray the costs). But I'm having trouble parting with it.

Here's the dilemma (actually it's not really a dilemma)…In my living room I have a Polk PSW 111 for my subwoofer. It's kind of out of place here because I have PSB image T5 speakers and a Marantz 5506 AVR. The system is pretty good but it's weak link is the subwoofer.

The PSW 111 has a whooping 8 inch driver with 150 watt amp (exaggerated numbers I'm sure and I'm not sure if this is continuous or peak) and a frequency response of 38 to 250 Hz (again…exaggerated I'm sure). And it weighs 20 lbs.

Meanwhile I have a XV15se waiting to go back to PSA. The XV15se has a 15 inch driver with a 550 watt (continuous) and 1650 watt (peak) amp (conservative numbers I'm sure). It has a frequency response of 21 to 200 Hz (again conservative I'm sure) with typical in room extension of 15 to 18 Hz. And it weighs 83 lbs.

So should I send back the PSA back or move the PSA upstairs replacing the PSW 111? I've included pics. If I keep it I need to convince my wife (I think I can with out TOO much trouble).

Anyway, what do you guys think? Feel free to share tactics for ways of convincing her.
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^^ you already knew the answer. Send Tom the Polk
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Those pics are hilarious.

But yeah this is a no brainier.

I SHOULD trade one of my xs30's in for the tower of power to help defray the cost. But most likely won't

Only thing is you used the trade in as a tactic. Can you tell her you will sell the Polk instead?
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Okay guys.. I need your help. I promised my wife I would trade in my last XV15se if I got the 2nd V3600 (to help defray the costs). But I'm having trouble parting with it.

Here's the dilemma (actually it's not really a dilemma)…In my living room I have a Polk PSW 111 for my subwoofer. It's kind of out of place here because I have PSB image T5 speakers and a Marantz 5506 AVR. The system is pretty good but it's weak link is the subwoofer.

The PSW 111 has a whooping 8 inch driver with 150 watt amp (exaggerated numbers I'm sure and I'm not sure if this is continuous or peak) and a frequency response of 38 to 250 Hz (again…exaggerated I'm sure). And it weighs 20 lbs.

Meanwhile I have a XV15se waiting to go back to PSA. The XV15se has a 15 inch driver with a 550 watt (continuous) and 1650 watt (peak) amp (conservative numbers I'm sure). It has a frequency response of 21 to 200 Hz (again conservative I'm sure) with typical in room extension of 15 to 18 Hz. And it weighs 83 lbs.

So should I send back the PSA back or move the PSA upstairs replacing the PSW 111? I've included pics. If I keep it I need to convince my wife (I think I can with out TOO much trouble).

Anyway, what do you guys think? Feel free to share tactics for ways of convincing her.
Send the XV15se back so Tom can list it as b-stock that I'll buy And then you can buy a new v3600 or Triax for your upstairs room, after all you guys are crazy
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Hell of an idea!
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Okay guys.. I need your help. I promised my wife I would trade in my last XV15se if I got the 2nd V3600 (to help defray the costs). But I'm having trouble parting with it.

Here's the dilemma (actually it's not really a dilemma)…In my living room I have a Polk PSW 111 for my subwoofer. It's kind of out of place here because I have PSB image T5 speakers and a Marantz 5506 AVR. The system is pretty good but it's weak link is the subwoofer.

The PSW 111 has a whooping 8 inch driver with 150 watt amp (exaggerated numbers I'm sure and I'm not sure if this is continuous or peak) and a frequency response of 38 to 250 Hz (again…exaggerated I'm sure). And it weighs 20 lbs.

Meanwhile I have a XV15se waiting to go back to PSA. The XV15se has a 15 inch driver with a 550 watt (continuous) and 1650 watt (peak) amp (conservative numbers I'm sure). It has a frequency response of 21 to 200 Hz (again conservative I'm sure) with typical in room extension of 15 to 18 Hz. And it weighs 83 lbs.

So should I send back the PSA back or move the PSA upstairs replacing the PSW 111? I've included pics. If I keep it I need to convince my wife (I think I can with out TOO much trouble).

Anyway, what do you guys think? Feel free to share tactics for ways of convincing her.
You knew what we would say before you even posted this.
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^^ you already knew the answer. Send Tom the Polk
I know. But for my wife the answer isn't so black and white.

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Those pics are hilarious.

But yeah this is a no brainier.

I SHOULD trade one of my xs30's in for the tower of power to help defray the cost. But most likely won't

Only thing is you used the trade in as a tactic. Can you tell her you will sell the Polk instead?
Yeah when I put the Polk on top of the PSA I started laughing.

I was going to use the selling tactic but to be honest it has a good ding in it so I think I would use it in the garage.

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You knew what we would say before you even posted this.
I did…I know you guys well.

But as I was typing out the specs I was shocked at how bad the PSW 111's were. It kind of drove home how good the PSA is.

By the way that PSW 111 is $300 at Crutchfield. I got it for $140 three years ago.
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Heh Heh Heh…good try. But you never know it still might make it's way back to PSA. But I doubt it.
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Okay guys.. I need your help. I promised my wife I would trade in my last XV15se if I got the 2nd V3600 (to help defray the costs). But I'm having trouble parting with it.

Here's the dilemma (actually it's not really a dilemma)…In my living room I have a Polk PSW 111 for my subwoofer. It's kind of out of place here because I have PSB image T5 speakers and a Marantz 5506 AVR. The system is pretty good but it's weak link is the subwoofer.

The PSW 111 has a whooping 8 inch driver with 150 watt amp (exaggerated numbers I'm sure and I'm not sure if this is continuous or peak) and a frequency response of 38 to 250 Hz (again…exaggerated I'm sure). And it weighs 20 lbs.

Meanwhile I have a XV15se waiting to go back to PSA. The XV15se has a 15 inch driver with a 550 watt (continuous) and 1650 watt (peak) amp (conservative numbers I'm sure). It has a frequency response of 21 to 200 Hz (again conservative I'm sure) with typical in room extension of 15 to 18 Hz. And it weighs 83 lbs.

So should I send back the PSA back or move the PSA upstairs replacing the PSW 111? I've included pics. If I keep it I need to convince my wife (I think I can with out TOO much trouble).

Anyway, what do you guys think? Feel free to share tactics for ways of convincing her.
Send it back - you promised her. :-)
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Okay guys.. I need your help. I promised my wife I would trade in my last XV15se if I got the 2nd V3600 (to help defray the costs). But I'm having trouble parting with it.

Here's the dilemma (actually it's not really a dilemma)…In my living room I have a Polk PSW 111 for my subwoofer. It's kind of out of place here because I have PSB image T5 speakers and a Marantz 5506 AVR. The system is pretty good but it's weak link is the subwoofer.

The PSW 111 has a whooping 8 inch driver with 150 watt amp (exaggerated numbers I'm sure and I'm not sure if this is continuous or peak) and a frequency response of 38 to 250 Hz (again…exaggerated I'm sure). And it weighs 20 lbs.

Meanwhile I have a XV15se waiting to go back to PSA. The XV15se has a 15 inch driver with a 550 watt (continuous) and 1650 watt (peak) amp (conservative numbers I'm sure). It has a frequency response of 21 to 200 Hz (again conservative I'm sure) with typical in room extension of 15 to 18 Hz. And it weighs 83 lbs.

So should I send back the PSA back or move the PSA upstairs replacing the PSW 111? I've included pics. If I keep it I need to convince my wife (I think I can with out TOO much trouble).

Anyway, what do you guys think? Feel free to share tactics for ways of convincing her.
The answer is to sell me your front 110s for cheap (so I can use them as surrounds) and move up to the 210s. I know this doesn't in any way answer your question about your subs, but I feel confident that one will work itself out in time.
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Okay the solution has come from a little A/B testing session. I played different music tracks and one movie demo (swapping back and forth between subs). I didn't waste my time with the movies because the difference between the two subs in regards to LFE is so over the top it's not funny. She noticed that right away.

What was cool was the difference between the two subs for music. I always knew the XV15se played music beautifully but to hear it compared to a popular mass market sub was really cool. When the PSW 111 played music it was thin, lacking clarity, detail and depth. In short it was sloppy and muddy. When the XV15se played it was crisp, with wonderful cleanliness and clarity. In short it was rich and detailed.

When she heard the difference in Sound Quality between the two subs she said we could keep the XV15se. Really this sub is more for her anyway since this is the system she uses to listen to music while working around the house.

I know it may seem like I'm bashing the Polk sub but I'm not trying to. It just isn't in the same league as the XV15se. In this case there really is a night and day difference. Luckily my wife agreed. Problem solved, I received permission to break my promise.

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^^ good thing your wife has the ears. My wife is so careless when it comes to sound.
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The answer is to sell me your front 110s for cheap (so I can use them as surrounds) and move up to the 210s. I know this doesn't in any way answer your question about your subs, but I feel confident that one will work itself out in time.
Ha Ha Ha…ummmmm…no. Sorry Toe.

But you were right, the sub conundrum worked itself out.
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