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post #24901 of 51875 Old 01-11-2016, 12:48 PM
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I have a Yamaha A3040 - just wanted to inquire as to what Layout setting your subs are set to on your A2020? No matter the location of my subs, they have always sounded best with 2x Monaural vs Left/Right and vs Front/Back. It definitely sounds like you know what you're doing and it seems what you described should be the optimal layout. If your two mains (w/DefTech integrated subs) are equidistant from the MLP, I wouldn't hesitate to run them under 1 distance setting. But, since you have the option for 4 distances with the MiniDSP, why the hell not? [IMG]file:///C:\Users\chuck\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\ clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

To possibly simplify your configuration, do your speakers have the ability to integrate the subs with the normal line inputs from the AVR? I have never heard them before or anything, but will they even be able to hang with the PSA drivers, once configured?

EDIT: Looked at your speakers - the subwoofer portions have no delay option and it looks like it may be difficult to run another set of line inputs to the subs. I'm guessing their intentions are if you buy those, you aren't going to want/need more bass. The closest bass drivers need the most delay as your furthest sub would get 0ms and only increase delay as the drivers are closer to the MLP so everything 'hits you at once'. You'll definitely want the MiniDSP in your setup! Keep us posted.

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I'm using mono x2 also, it does seem to sound best that way. The DT's are close to equidistant, but not perfect. The floor plan of the house severely limits speaker placement.

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That is debatable. [IMG]file:///C:\Users\chuck\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\ clip_image002.gif[/IMG]


The "subwoofers" in the DTs can just barely qualify for that label. If it was me, I'd run the DTs "full range" (using the subs as just woofers, no LFE cable, with the speakers set to "small") and use your two true subwoofers as subs. It would cause you less headaches and probably sound better.

Just my 2 cents.
Over the last 2 years I've tried the setup many different ways and what I ended up with is what sounded the best to me. Adding the PSA has changed things, and I 'm sure I'll revisit how the DT's are used. I have many options to try out, and I'm sure I'll try them all before I'm done.

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Agreed. My front towers are rated down to 27 Hz, but are actually flat to 25 Hz in my room. I run them as 'small' with an XO of 60 Hz and let the subs do the heavy lifting that they were made to do. Also, the best placement for bass/subs is never the same as best placement for mains/speakers. As Alan stated, try it out. You may just be surprised. And don't think that you'll be 'wasting' your subs from your towers, you won't.
DT says my speakers will go to 20hz, I found them to be good to 27hz in my room. I ended up using the LFE input on them because I had a good sized dip in the 40 ~ 60hz range and hooking them up that way helped a great deal. The added sub may help with that hole and make it unnecessary to use the LFE on the DT's.
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DT says my speakers will go to 20hz, I found them to be good to 27hz in my room. I ended up using the LFE input on them because I had a good sized dip in the 40 ~ 60hz range and hooking them up that way helped a great deal. The added sub may help with that hole and make it unnecessary to use the LFE on the DT's.
I won't know what will work the best until I try everything, so that's what I'm going to do...Let the fun begin
I have a pair of Def Tech towers in the garage, bought them during my single days back in 1996, great speakers. Curious what you are measuring your response with, sorry if I missed that. Def Tech is infamous or famous for over stating their speakers capabilities. You will see from my sig I own a few of them, and there are more used upstairs with another system. Given what I know now I would be crossing those over at 80 and using my subs for anything below that.
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Curious what you are measuring your response with, sorry if I missed that..
I'm using REW, I did however, suffer a computer crash a few months ago and lost a lot of data. I have a few sweeps of some of the small changes I've made that I ended not liking.
With the added new sub, I'll have to start over get it integrated properly.

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I'm using REW, I did however, suffer a computer crash a few months ago and lost a lot of data. I have a few sweeps of some of the small changes I've made that I ended not liking.
With the added new sub, I'll have to start over get it integrated properly.
I set up a free Dropbox account and save all my MDAT files there. No worries about losing measurements that way.

Also, makes 'em super easy to share.
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Another great review for PSA, I LOVE my S3600I!!!!!!!!

http://hometheaterreview.com/power-s...ofer-reviewed/
Dang Mike… I have dual V3600i's and after reading this review it made me want to add a S3600i to the mix. You should buy a 2nd one.
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I love these testimonials. We see them often here on the PSA owner’s thread. Everyone who has needed Tom’s/Jim’s help has received that assistance in spades.
So true. I've never… ever… in my life experienced the customer service that both Tom and Jim bring to the table. I can honestly say it was a pleasure to meet the two of them in person. Jim is often the guy behind the scenes (designing, measuring and building) but both he and Tom spent over an hour showing me around PSA headquarters and shooting the breeze. That was time spent I'm sure neither of them had (considering they work 365 days a year). They are truly a class act. And their products are incredible.

Perhaps that's why I have bought 9 PSA made products in the last 27 months and I don't regret a single penny spent. And even more telling is my wife doesn't mind either.
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Dang Mike… I have dual V3600i's and after reading this review it made me want to add a S3600i to the mix. You should buy a 2nd one.
Everytime I look at my front soundstage I see the S3600I on the leftside then I look to the rightside and I see the XS30SE and then you know who plants himself on my shoulder. We all know what he's whispering in my ear......
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Long time lurker, always a learner, now officially drinking the PSA cool-aide with a V1800 on its way to my house. I've checked tracking about 15 times...North Dakota now...Tacoma is still a long way away. PSA costumer service is the best. Your forum opinions are helpful as well...now down to my question.

I have a HSU VTF-2 MK 3. Sold the other Klipsch subs to liquidate enough play money for the V18. Have REW on laptop, no mic though. Reading everything I can find on multiple subs. I know there is a considerable output difference. Any ideas on set up using both subs. I have a small room and limited sub location, front right left or back right left.

I know there are some who would not mix these two subs. It is what I have and I want to try. Any help would be appreciated. I do plan on buying a mic and learning REW, just have to save some more cash, since I emptied my kids piggy banks for the new sub. Thanks all. (selling the HSU and buying another PSA is not a realistic option for now)

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I've had my S1500 for a couple days now, after initial setup I was able to watch Interstellar and listen to some music.
So far I'm impressed with the sound quality, but I have run into a slight issue. It seems there is quite a bit of latency in the amp on the S1500.
Because of this, I need to add about 11 milli-seconds of delay to my front subs (built into my DefTech towers) to get them time aligned. The DefTechs don't have a delay function, and my miniDSP 2x4 will only do 7.5 milli-seconds of delay...What to do?
With the delay set to 6.4ms on the SVS and 7.5ms on the DefTechs, it sounds pretty good, but I know it could be better.
Anyone have any ideas?
I'm curious if playing with the distance of the S1500 would help any - try upping the distance some and see if it helps.

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Long time lurker, always a learner, now officially drinking the PSA cool-aide with a V1800 on its way to my house. I've checked tracking about 15 times...North Dakota now...Tacoma is still a long way away. PSA costumer service is the best. Your forum opinions are helpful as well...now down to my question.

I have a HSU VTF-2 MK 3. Sold the other Klipsch subs to liquidate enough play money for the V18. Have REW on laptop, no mic though. Reading everything I can find on multiple subs. I know there is a considerable output difference. Any ideas on set up using both subs. I have a small room and limited sub location, front right left or back right left.

I know there are some who would not mix these two subs. It is what I have and I want to try. Any help would be appreciated. I do plan on buying a mic and learning REW, just have to save some more cash, since I emptied my kids piggy banks for the new sub. Thanks all. (selling the HSU and buying another PSA is not a realistic option for now)

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Check out post #6 of this thread - good info. and articles.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...-two-subs.html

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I'm curious if playing with the distance of the S1500 would help any - try upping the distance some and see if it helps.
Actually, it's not a distance setting, it is a delay setting ranging from 0 to 16ms. Tom indicated to me that there is a nominal latency of about 3ms. If I were to turn this up any it would add even more delay to the S1500, which is not what is needed. I'm going to start from scratch with this setup, I have some ideas to try as well as several suggested here. I'm looking forward to Friday night when I can get started on the new project...

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Thanks Tom Riddle. Will try info. from post six. Good stuff.
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Actually, it's not a distance setting, it is a delay setting ranging from 0 to 16ms. Tom indicated to me that there is a nominal latency of about 3ms. If I were to turn this up any it would add even more delay to the S1500, which is not what is needed. I'm going to start from scratch with this setup, I have some ideas to try as well as several suggested here. I'm looking forward to Friday night when I can get started on the new project...
I'm referring to the distance setting that YPAO has set for your sub, not the delay function on your subwoofer itself. Many of the EQ systems will set your distance differently from what it actually is to compensate for delay. In theory, by setting the distance of the sub up in the receiver, it would decrease the latency.

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I'm referring to the distance setting that YPAO has set for your sub, not the delay function on your subwoofer itself. Many of the EQ systems will set your distance differently from what it actually is to compensate for delay. In theory, by setting the distance of the sub up in the receiver, it would decrease the latency.
I misunderstood, I thought you were refering to the delay on the sub. Using YPAO to set the distance is what I was trying to do, but to do it this way I was also trying to match the delay between the SVS and the PSA with the miniDSP 2x4. But doing it this way I was unable to get enough delay to the front subs (built into the DefTechs).
I have a lot of setup options and I will try several of them this weekend. To add to the current setup, I just received a new miniDSP DDRC-88A. I think I will try a few different basic setups, then work on the one that seems to be the most promising...

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Just got my V1500 in the mail today. It is impressive to say the least. Compared to my 100W 10" JBL it's a powerhouse. Picture is just for comparison, the V1500 will live nearfield behind couch once I get wires run.
Ha, amazing comparison between the two. Nice pic.

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Guys my question about the room control size to use when taking any measurements and using Audyssey RC was answered by my main man Jim F.

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Keep the room size control set to LARGE before doing any measurements or calibration. This will give Audyssey a chance to EQ the lowest frequencies without trying to artificially boost the low end. After Audyssey and calibration, adjust the room size control to your preference.

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That method has been discussed several times in this thread since the ICE amps were in production. However it has not been discussed in quite some time, so it was due to be brought up again.


Jeff, Glad you are doing better and back posting again!
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Guys my question about the room control size to use when taking any measurements and using Audyssey RC was answered by my main man Jim F.

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Keep the room size control set to LARGE before doing any measurements or calibration. This will give Audyssey a chance to EQ the lowest frequencies without trying to artificially boost the low end. After Audyssey and calibration, adjust the room size control to your preference.

Hope this helps for those that didn't know like me.

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Leave it at large and don't look back.
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all the large setting means is no attenuation to the frequency response. setting it smaller rolls the response off faster below 30hz. That is why you want to calibrate with the room control set large. I wonder if it would be less confusing to say "normal" instead of "large" , then have negative "numbers" to indicate how many db of attenuation is being applied below 30hz?
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Picked up The Martian today and will give it a spin Sat night. I still have not watched Jurasic World, maybe a double feature is in order
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V1800 3 days...still tuning and figuring it out. My wife just asked me, "Happy with your new speaker?" She then said she could tell a difference...
This thing is amazing. Even my wife likes it, now that is saying something.
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V1800 3 days...still tuning and figuring it out. My wife just asked me, "Happy with your new speaker?" She then said she could tell a difference...
This thing is amazing. Even my wife likes it, now that is saying something.

Believe me when I say u will love that sub, it is truly a monster, I have had mine for about two months, and still get excited about it
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Yeah, the difference in tactile sensation between the sealed Rythmiks and the V1800s was immediately noticed by my wife.

She even gave me the go ahead to grab some 110s for LCR duty to replace the Ascend 340SEs.

In time.
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^ big fan of PSA but what makes you think that the 110s will be a step up from what you have?
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There is no perfect display, quit looking for faults and enjoy

LG OLED 65” B7 and 55” C8
Ascend's with RAAL, Love my PSA v1800 and a 7.2.4 speaker config, Oppo 203 and other stuff
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Yeah, the difference in tactile sensation between the sealed Rythmiks and the V1800s was immediately noticed by my wife.

She even gave me the go ahead to grab some 110s for LCR duty to replace the Ascend 340SEs.

In time.
Ported is the way to go for that tactile experience unless you are in a broom closet or have multiple formidable sealed subs.

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^ big fan of PSA but what makes you think that the 110s will be a step up from what you have?
I wouldn't know until I have my hands on them and gave them a listen. Your above question is exactly why the order isn't in already.

The 340s are great speakers and probably one of the best values out there.

But I've had the itch for a while, just don't know where to go from the 340s for strictly HT duty. PSA? Dynaudio? KEF?

Stand pat?

Don't know, but that itch gets stronger by the day.
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