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I think garage door removal might be the only way to stop dual v3600s from making them rattle. You could try nylon rollers and acoustic batting/insulation in the door panels. Just remember, if you add anything to your garage door, the springs will have to be adjusted or upgraded to prevent them from snapping and also prevent the door opener gear from shearing off. I learned that one the hard way...
Yeah...I have heard messing with those springs can be difficult and downright dangerous. Thanks for the advice...may just remove the door and put in a sliding barn door or dual French doors...that should solve it.
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Maybe try some of that thin felt material used to put on the bottom of Knick-knacks to keep from scratching furniture?

I think you can buy it in sheets and cut out pieces you need.

Edit: didn't mean to put the whole quote but it didn't erase what I deleted
Thanks for tips..gonna use the suggestions and see what happens...although I think I just may go all out and completely change the door since it really is no longer a garage for us.
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LOL… I was just thinking about you this morning and wondering how you liked your new V3600's. As you are discovering, it's really hard to adequately describe how well these subs perform. It's like trying to describe being in a minor earthquake. You need to experience it to appreciate it. The bottom line is simply this… The V3600 is A LOT of FUN! I look forward to reading more about your thoughts once you get them dialed in.

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Thanks Hop..as I stated in earlier threads, ur input and some of the other PSA brethren's, really did make a difference. Been so darn busy that I haven't been able to get back in there and tweak. Hopefully this weekend, after watching the new Capt. America flick in the AMC Prime theater (Atmos and Dolby Vison - a truly awesome movie theater), I can play with the anti-mode I got from Tom and mess around to my heart's delight. I watch the first Capt. America movie and then follow up with How to Train Your Dragon...This way I can spend time with the kids and still get my BASS fix in, lol.
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Thanks Hop..as I stated in earlier threads, ur input and some of the other PSA brethren's, really did make a difference. Been so darn busy that I haven't been able to get back in there and tweak. Hopefully this weekend, after watching the new Capt. America flick in the AMC Prime theater (Atmos and Dolby Vison - a truly awesome movie theater), I can play with the anti-mode I got from Tom and mess around to my heart's delight. I watch the first Capt. America movie and then follow up with How to Train Your Dragon...This way I can spend time with the kids and still get my BASS fix in, lol.
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Did you get the Dual Core? when you go to run the sweeps, they are loud!
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Did you get the Dual Core? when you go to run the sweeps, they are loud!


You got that right. When I ran the eq I had to leave the room.
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@cmdrdredd ,
Exactly. I hit the button on the remote as I walk out the door.
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You got that right. When I ran the eq I had to leave the room.
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Exactly. I hit the button on the remote as I walk out the door.
Me too... very loud.

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Ou guys know your supposed to lower the trim on your subs prior to running antimode right?
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Ou guys know your supposed to lower the trim on your subs prior to running antimode right?
The sweeps are still too loud to sit and listen too anyway.

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Yeah I had mine lowered but it's still pretty loud. But I have to say it's kind of cool (when it's heard from another room).

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I had asked DSPeaker support about if I needed to drop the levels on my subs before running the 8033S-II since there was an insert in the box about doing that. My concern was whether things would change if I then adjusted everything up after calibration. Their response was to set it at the listening levels then run it and that "turn it down" was a warning from the original model.

All the same, I leave the house if I can!

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The subs should have the same relative volume level before calibration than after. It would be best to perform the calibration at the approximate level the subs will be used at. The AVR will match the sub level with the speakers.

If the output level from AVR will be too high, the 8033S-II input level warning leds will start to flicker. You can then turn up the subs slightly, rerun calibration and AVR setup.

(The lowering of sub volume was more necessary/recommended in the very first Anti-Mode 8033 version which used very high-volume calibration signal. We have lowered it and there is also an automatic level drop when the microphone overflows.)
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I got the 8033-SII....thanks for the heads up everybody....I will be nice to my ears and step out. I have no experience with this product...so I'll read up on the dedicated thread here on AVS beforehand as well. Really fun having new toys, lol.
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I got the 8033-SII....thanks for the heads up everybody....I will be nice to my ears and step out. I have no experience with this product...so I'll read up on the dedicated thread here on AVS beforehand as well. Really fun having new toys, lol.
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The anti-modes are pretty cool, and quite a few of the forum members have experience with them. You can always pop into chat with Tom as well. It is fun having getting new toys, as upgraditus is something that I do not know if I will ever cure....enjoy your toy!
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The scans on the 8033S-II and the dual core are the same at a basic level. The dual core just has a LOT more flexibility on the adjustments you can do to the curves afterward- and of course pings 2 subs for time alignment.
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Hey guys need some help. I have a cheaper Yamaha receiver with only a single subwoofer pre-out. I purchased an RCA splitter about a year ago when I purchased two V3600i subs and it works just fine.

But I decided... hey... what the heck... let's shove a S3000i in the room for some near field slam.

So I bought a second splitter and connected to one of the outs of the original splitter. So effectively I turned one subwoofer pre-out into three using two splitters (not ideal, I know).

Now when I connect all three, the S3000i seems to be a controlling factor electrically. I can't get my V3600i subs to work unless the S3000i is on. No matter the volume or how high I set the trim. I adjusted the gain sensitivity on each V3600i and nothing.

I imagine a receiver with dual subwoofer pre-outs would probably solve this issue... but with Atmos, DTSx, UHD, HDR... it's just not the right time to upgrade my receiver.

Is there something wrong with one or more of my amps? I was considering a second S3000i... but this is tripping me out.

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Hey guys need some help. I have a cheaper Yamaha receiver with only a single subwoofer pre-out. I purchased an RCA splitter about a year ago when I purchased two V3600i subs and it works just fine.

But I decided... hey... what the heck... let's shove a S3000i in the room for some near field slam.

So I bought a second splitter and connected to one of the outs of the original splitter. So effectively I turned one subwoofer pre-out into three using two splitters (not ideal, I know).

Now when I connect all three, the S3000i seems to be a controlling factor electrically. I can't get my V3600i subs to work unless the S3000i is on. No matter the volume or how high I set the trim. I adjusted the gain sensitivity on each V3600i and nothing.

I imagine a receiver with dual subwoofer pre-outs would probably solve this issue... but with Atmos, DTSx, UHD, HDR... it's just not the right time to upgrade my receiver.

Is there something wrong with one or more of my amps? I was considering a second S3000i... but this is tripping me out.
Not trying to be condescending or mean, but with that much money invested in subs, I'd go out and get an AVR that can match their quality sound. Preferably one with dual sub outputs.

The gain on your subs may be playing with you. Have you tried increasing the gain on the other subs to see if the signal might need a little boosting to the input stage of the amps?

I would test each sub by itself. If they all work well on a single line, it might be time to invest in a new AVR.
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Not trying to be condescending or mean, but with that much money invested in subs, I'd go out and get an AVR that can match their quality sound. Preferably one with dual sub outputs.

The gain on your subs may be playing with you. Have you tried increasing the gain on the other subs to see if the signal might need a little boosting to the input stage of the amps?

I would test each sub by itself. If they all work well on a single line, it might be time to invest in a new AVR.
My thoughts as well.
With that much subwoofage, you're definitely crippling yourself with the AVR.
Find a good refurb or clearance model to get you by until you need or want to upgrade to the newer stuff.
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@SeriouslyBass ,
what is your budget?
This one from the AVS classifieds might fit your needs:
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It has Audyssey Platinum as well.
Really need to upgrade your AVR! Your PSAs will love you for it.
Let us know how the ported and sealed subs in the same room work out.
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your subs are only as good as the signal feeding them. I would of bought a new AVR long before thinking about purchasing a 3000i and trying to integrate ported & sealed alignments.
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Wassup PSA crew....I snuck out of work early yesterday and watched Tron.....I have watched this movie five times before...running my two SVS PC subs. I can honestly say that I had not truly heard this movie soundtrack until last night. The mix overall sounded more awesome in the larger room as well....grander scale....but dat bass was off the hook ridunkulous. I was hearing textures and frequency variations that I just could not pick up with my prior subwoofage...just no contest and I loved those subs, they served me well for good while. The couch-shaking tactile response was something I never experienced before at home and my current room has concrete floors with over 5000 cubic ft of space to pressurize. THIS MOVIE AND SUBWOOFER COMBINATION WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC FUN!!!!!!
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Okay I guess I made it sound like my receiver was from 1982 and purchased on Craigslist for $20. Not the case at all.

While my receiver is not in Yamaha's Aventage series, it's also not the crummy box they are selling at Costco. It lacks some features of $1,000+ units and it only has one subwoofer pre-out, but it has decent to great amplification. It's the RX-V477 to be specific.

Anyways the problems I asked about have *nothing* to do with the receiver's quality. I tried it with a Yamaha RX-V1400 from a long time ago and I experience the issues still.

When all three subs are connected, the V3600i's do not work unless the S3000i is on. Maybe there is some cross talk with the splitter cables?

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what is your budget?
This one from the AVS classifieds might fit your needs:
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It has Audyssey Platinum as well.
Really need to upgrade your AVR! Your PSAs will love you for it.
Let us know how the ported and sealed subs in the same room work out.
It's kind of nuts having all that subwoofer power in one room The S3000i is placed nearfield behind my couch, soooooo it's basically a sledgehammer to the back in the best way ever. The V3600i's are hardly slackers though. I never felt I was lacking anything with 2 of them. It's just noticeably different sound when both sealed and vented subs are hitting together. It took me a little bit to dial in the S3000i. It was fun to try something new. I watched the earthquake scene from San Andreas and yeah... there was nowhere safe to hide. All new rattles just everywhere.

I'm just kind of surprised a newer AVR would make an impact, if at all. I have 5 speaker mtm210's and my room gets so loud I can't even stand to be in the house haha Plus the subs all have their own amps, so what am I really gaining from a newer AVR? My receiver was my first purchase. I had some decent Klipsch speakers back then, and then I purchased a PSA sub, then PSA speakers, and I don't feel like my receiver is lacking at all. My biggest difference was going from Klipsch to PSA products. I've tried other older, higher end AVRs without HDMI, and I couldn't justify the cost of going from my $500 unit to a $1,000+ unit.

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Okay I guess I made it sound like my receiver was from 1982 and purchased on Craigslist for $20. Not the case at all.
That made me laugh man.
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It's kind of nuts having all that subwoofer power in one room The S3000i is placed nearfield behind my couch, soooooo it's basically a sledgehammer to the back in the best way ever. The V3600i's are hardly slackers though. I never felt I was lacking anything with 2 of them. It's just noticeably different sound when both sealed and vented subs are hitting together. It took me a little bit to dial in the S3000i. It was fun to try something new. I watched the earthquake scene from San Andreas and yeah... there was nowhere safe to hide. All new rattles just everywhere.

I'm just kind of surprised a newer AVR would make an impact, if at all. I have 5 speaker mtm210's and my room gets so loud I can't even stand to be in the house haha Plus the subs all have their own amps, so what am I really gaining from a newer AVR? My receiver was my first purchase. I had some decent Klipsch speakers back then, and then I purchased a PSA sub, then PSA speakers, and I don't feel like my receiver is lacking at all. My biggest difference was going from Klipsch to PSA products. I've tried other older, higher end AVRs without HDMI, and I couldn't justify the cost of going from my $500 unit to a $1,000+ unit.
AVR aside... your problem is interesting to me because in my mind all you are doing is splitting the sub a 2nd time, I would think that would work.

Most AVRs with 2 sub outs are taking the subwoofer signal and splitting it internally anyway (no real difference than splitting it externally with a splitter). And lot's of people use a splitter on one of those sub outs (if they have 3 subs) or both sub outs (if they have 4 subs). So to me all you are doing is splitting the sub signal an extra time externally. I would think that would work. But I'm no expert in theses matters so I'm sure I'm missing something.

If I were you I would contact Tom and see what he thinks.

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It's kind of nuts having all that subwoofer power in one room The S3000i is placed nearfield behind my couch, soooooo it's basically a sledgehammer to the back in the best way ever. The V3600i's are hardly slackers though. I never felt I was lacking anything with 2 of them. It's just noticeably different sound when both sealed and vented subs are hitting together. It took me a little bit to dial in the S3000i. It was fun to try something new. I watched the earthquake scene from San Andreas and yeah... there was nowhere safe to hide. All new rattles just everywhere.

I'm just kind of surprised a newer AVR would make an impact, if at all. I have 5 speaker mtm210's and my room gets so loud I can't even stand to be in the house haha Plus the subs all have their own amps, so what am I really gaining from a newer AVR? My receiver was my first purchase. I had some decent Klipsch speakers back then, and then I purchased a PSA sub, then PSA speakers, and I don't feel like my receiver is lacking at all. My biggest difference was going from Klipsch to PSA products. I've tried other older, higher end AVRs without HDMI, and I couldn't justify the cost of going from my $500 unit to a $1,000+ unit.
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5 MTM 210s! Awesome, as that is what I am pushing as well. I have a few PSA subs as well. Nice with the S3000i being a sledge in the back. Always wondered about getting the mixed subs working together. I have 3 ported subs, and keep thinking about a sealed, now that I moved into a room that I can close both doors. Now with the S3000i on, are the V3600s in auto or are they in the on position? Just thinking out loud, but worth seeing what position your switches are in with your subs.
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Watching Spectre. WOW. The PSA S1500 blows away my old SVS PB12-NSD.

And it just keeps getting better as I dial in it, adjust MCACC, etc.

The bomb blowing up and building collapsing was amazing.

I wonder what the airplane chase scene is going to sound like.
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My V3600 will be delivered Wednesday. Looking forward to adding this to my SVS PB13 and PC13. On another note I find it strange that so many 15 and 18 inch subwoofers get compared to the PB13. That 13.5 inch driver is something.

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I really want a second v1500...
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AVR aside... your problem is interesting to me because in my mind all you are doing is splitting the sub a 2nd time, I would think that would work.

Most AVRs with 2 sub outs are taking the subwoofer signal and splitting it internally anyway (no real difference than splitting it externally with a splitter). And lot's of people use a splitter on one of those sub outs (if they have 3 subs) or both sub outs (if they have 4 subs). So to me all you are doing is splitting the sub signal an extra time externally. I would think that would work. But I'm no expert in theses matters so I'm sure I'm missing something.

If I were you I would contact Tom and see what he thinks.

(Nice set up of subs and speakers by the way).
Each time you add a connector and wire, you are adding a slight amount of resistance. When it's in parallel, it is nearly halved or less. It is most likely something to do with the subwoofer output signal voltage level. All three subs are connected to the same electrical point. I'd suggest a chat with Tom V.

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